Head Honcho Posted 11 July 2007 Author Posted 11 July 2007 And the prosecutors would have been condemned if the accused got off on a technicality. As I heard it there was doubt a murder charge would stick because it wasn't sure to what extent the victim's epilepsy may well have played a part in his death...a point referred to in the link. They could have tried them on both counts but chose not to as a murder conviction was unlikely! I'd rather 12 jurors be the judge of that then the CPS.
Kent Fox Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 It wasn't the judges fault!I believe he gave them the maximum sentence allowed for false imprisonment. The prosecutors were to blame for not trying them for murder. I wasn't saying it was the Judge's fault, I said it was the old judges fault. There is a subtle difference. Judges, generally, can petition the Lord Justice if they believe a sentence for a particular crime is not long enough. This is why we see so many instances whereby the sentence doesn't fit the crime. It is the judges that influence justice. You are right in that the judge gave the best he can, but that doesn't make it justice, does it? And the CPS could have added to the charge of false imprisonment. However, it could only be a manslaughter charge at best as there has to be intent to kill for a murder charge.
Head Honcho Posted 11 July 2007 Author Posted 11 July 2007 I wasn't saying it was the Judge's fault, I said it was the old judges fault. There is a subtle difference.Judges, generally, can petition the Lord Justice if they believe a sentence for a particular crime is not long enough. This is why we see so many instances whereby the sentence doesn't fit the crime. It is the judges that influence justice. You are right in that the judge gave the best he can, but that doesn't make it justice, does it? And the CPS could have added to the charge of false imprisonment. However, it could only be a manslaughter charge at best as there has to be intent to kill for a murder charge.
Kent Fox Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 Great divide you really have no f'cking idea do you? Both are cancers on Scottish society and every decent person north of the border will dance a merry dance the day both Clubs and the vile element of their support wither and die.The only morons that follow the fortunes of either Club are imbiciles who haven't got the thought process to muster their own opinions and identities. There is no divide in Scotland, there are Scots and that is it. Anyone who is wanabe English or Irish are held in the same regard you are on here, lower than a snakes belly. Not the impression I got on my trips to Glasgow. Perhaps I went to the wrong pubs, but the ones I did go in, were definitely blue! Have I missed the point?
Guest Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 However, it could only be a manslaughter charge at best as there has to be intent to kill for a murder charge. Or cause grievious bodily harm.
Kent Fox Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 Or cause grievious bodily harm. True. But there was never going to proof of intent for either. Because he was epileptic. The proof would have to be that the false imprisonment caused the fit that killed him and that no other factor could have caused it. And they'd lose that one!
Guest Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 True. But there was never going to proof of intent for either.Because he was epileptic. The proof would have to be that the false imprisonment caused the fit that killed him and that no other factor could have caused it. And they'd lose that one! I would have gone down the recklessness route, to be honest. It's cases like this that make me want to work for the CPS.
Katy Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 It seems he's getting a lot of sympathy towards him, more than a 'normal' person would just because he's epileptic. Wouldn't you have fought he'd have tried to fight his way out or something? Or maybe have just been a better driver The guy would have had sympathy regardless of any condition he may have suffered from, you on the other hand........
Kent Fox Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 I would have gone down the recklessness route, to be honest. It's cases like this that make me want to work for the CPS. It's cases like this that make me wish I'd tried a bit harder when I did Law.. *sings* regrets, I've had a few, but then again... Ah, feck. Retail is just as good!
Guest Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 It's cases like this that make me wish I'd tried a bit harder when I did Law..*sings* regrets, I've had a few, but then again... Ah, feck. Retail is just as good! This case will be my inspiration, I think. And when I become a High Court Judge.....
stez Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 This case will be my inspiration, I think.And when I become a High Court Judge..... yes, m'lady?
NorthernFox Posted 11 July 2007 Posted 11 July 2007 This is why the Great British Public get right royally fooked off. MONEY crimes are dealt with a Saudi like severity whereas human life is cheap. Corporal Punishment (and discipline in schools) is an absolute must or in 20 years anarchy will prevail...
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 12 July 2007 Posted 12 July 2007 Great divide you really have no f'cking idea do you? Both are cancers on Scottish society and every decent person north of the border will dance a merry dance the day both Clubs and the vile element of their support wither and die.The only morons that follow the fortunes of either Club are imbiciles who haven't got the thought process to muster their own opinions and identities. There is no divide in Scotland, there are Scots and that is it. Anyone who is wanabe English or Irish are held in the same regard you are on here, lower than a snakes belly. Well I guess your 'decent people' are in the minority eh? Multiculturalism - you might want to look it up. The Celtic Football Club is not about being 'wannabe' anything, it is a Scottish club with a proud history, and Irish roots that date back over 100 years. The day that you sheepshaggers accomplish anything similar to what we have, come back to me. Not the impression I got on my trips to Glasgow.Perhaps I went to the wrong pubs, but the ones I did go in, were definitely blue! Have I missed the point? No, you're spot on. Barton is just a colon blister.
BartonFox Posted 12 July 2007 Posted 12 July 2007 Well I guess your 'decent people' are in the minority eh?Multiculturalism - you might want to look it up. The Celtic Football Club is not about being 'wannabe' anything, it is a Scottish club with a proud history, and Irish roots that date back over 100 years. The day that you sheepshaggers accomplish anything similar to what we have, come back to me. No, you're spot on. Barton is just a colon blister. Were you in Leicester the last 2 times the vile tossers that follow that IRA sympathising Club were singing songs about killing Brits, also about Enniskillen and the Brighton bombing Don't start talking up things you know sweet FA about. I hope one day you get to see these 'Scots' who wave Irish tricolours and Palastinian flags. We know about multiculturism back home, we just don't appreciate those who use phoney religion to divide communities. I take it by sheepshagger you mean Aberdeen fan Like so many things so far off the mark. Colon blister Keep trying and maybe one day you will be up to wiping my hairy sweaty arse.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 12 July 2007 Posted 12 July 2007 Were you in Leicester the last 2 times the vile tossers that follow that IRA sympathising Club were singing songs about killing Brits, also about Enniskillen and the Brighton bombing Don't start talking up things you know sweet FA about. I hope one day you get to see these 'Scots' who wave Irish tricolours and Palastinian flags. We know about multiculturism back home, we just don't appreciate those who use phoney religion to divide communities. I take it by sheepshagger you mean Aberdeen fan Like so many things so far off the mark. Colon blister Keep trying and maybe one day you will be up to wiping my hairy sweaty arse. So multiculturalism for you means forgetting your roots and not waving any flags to celebrate those roots? Better remove that pic in your sig then, assuming you're south of the border. What songs were they singing? I suspect this is a gross exaggeration. I am yet to hear a republican song that's about 'killing Brits' in the sense of innocent civilians. Yes I did mean Aberdeen fan. Perhaps you're a Hibee, since you used hun to describe a blue-nose? Except you're one of those Celtic hating Hibees and not the loyal comradery type?
BartonFox Posted 12 July 2007 Posted 12 July 2007 So multiculturalism for you means forgetting your roots and not waving any flags to celebrate those roots? Better remove that pic in your sig then, assuming you're south of the border.What songs were they singing? I suspect this is a gross exaggeration. I am yet to hear a republican song that's about 'killing Brits' in the sense of innocent civilians. Yes I did mean Aberdeen fan. Perhaps you're a Hibee, since you used hun to describe a blue-nose? Except you're one of those Celtic hating Hibees and not the loyal comradery type? You really are f'ckn thick aren't you. Any Irish wannabee or English Wannabee from the Black Tower or Castle Greyskull are not welcome, the vast majority use their alleged religion to follow the Tims or the Huns, yet not one of the gutter rats has stepped foot in to God's house. Typical response from a green filth, "oh no it is not us who sing bad songs it is only the Huns/Blue noses." Why do you think no one in England wants the Old Scum in the PL, because the Police forces don't want to deal with them week in week out. Friendlies are easy so don't compare. Tell me have you ever been in Coatbridge on Old Scum day? Mutiple acts of violence and wounding in the name of Rangers and Celtic. You know why the majority of Scots hate the Old Scum because everyone who follows football anywhere else always asks you "who do you follow Rangers or Celtic?" Most would rather be called English than be associated to either of them.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 12 July 2007 Posted 12 July 2007 You really are f'ckn thick aren't you. Any Irish wannabee or English Wannabee from the Black Tower or Castle Greyskull are not welcome, the vast majority use their alleged religion to follow the Tims or the Huns, yet not one of the gutter rats has stepped foot in to God's house.Typical response from a green filth, "oh no it is not us who sing bad songs it is only the Huns/Blue noses." Why do you think no one in England wants the Old Scum in the PL, because the Police forces don't want to deal with them week in week out. Friendlies are easy so don't compare. Tell me have you ever been in Coatbridge on Old Scum day? Mutiple acts of violence and wounding in the name of Rangers and Celtic. You know why the majority of Scots hate the Old Scum because everyone who follows football anywhere else always asks you "who do you follow Rangers or Celtic?" Most would rather be called English than be associated to either of them. Depends how far you want to take it - yes people may use religion as a reason to follow either club, but I would go so far as to suggest that then, since you point to mediocrity and apathy in the highlighted statement above, that the fans then hold that religion in a cultural, and less of a religious sense? True of a lot of people who tick the religious box on the census but haven't been in years. I suggest you watch a Celtic doco called "The Irish Connection," is pretty much lays out the club's culture without the social commentary that you're spouting. I do however agree that people use this as an excuse to carry out acts of violence, the definition of sectarianism really, and this must be stamped out.
Steven Posted 12 July 2007 Posted 12 July 2007 It is the Forest of Dean. "The circumstances as a whole are extraordinary and the video you might expect to see come out of the Middle East but certainly not the Forest of Dean," said Det Chief Insp Geoff Brookes of Gloucestershire Police.
Katy Posted 12 July 2007 Posted 12 July 2007 It is the Forest of Dean. 90's indie-dance band EMF originated from The Forest of Dean
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