Time to ship Beaglehole out

[Thracian]

Thats unfair. I am proud of what Rudkin and Beaglehole did AT THAT LEVEL but we have to remember that is is at academy level and has nothing whatsoever to do with managing in some cases prima donnas (perfect ) who have more money than sense and need to be both man managed and motivated to get the best out of them.

I think at times some of our fans think they we deserve less than I think we do. People like yourself want us to sling in academy players like Logan and Gradel, straight into the deep end when my opinion is to get them away to learn there trade before just strolling into the first team. Its the same with Beaglehole. What has he ever achieved at this level for him to walk in and manage one of the biggest sides outside of the premiership? We are one division away from mixing it amongst what is regarded by most as the best league in the world but some of our confused fans think we short be short changed. We have no need to not get teh finished article in the manager stakes. Its not 2005 with Rob Kelly and no money. Its 2007 with Milan Manderic and high aspirations and building the likes of Beaglehole or the young unproven kids into punching above there weights does no good for them and belittles the size of this club in 2007.

Beaglehole was managing senior players with the reserves last night - people like Kaebi, Fryatt, Kenton, Maybury, Henderson - and I didn't see him looking anything but at ease and in total command.

He was barking instructions for much of the time and had no problem getting instant response. He ordered Kaebi to get forward more which he did without question, Stearman to hold the defensive line and then get forward fast, Fraser Tuttle to stop giving away silly free-kicks - and how he knew he'd been told.

Beaglehole was masterful last night. I'm not arguing a case for his being manager but don't ever think Beaglehole wouldn't command respect because you'd be wrong.

Furthermore a good part of our squad comprises young players who he knows better than anyone and who he, presumably, has spoken up for when the question of their readiness for the first team has come up.

I wanted Logan in the team because at the time he was our best goalkeeper, no question. I also argued, not that Gradel was especially ready, but that he was better than Newton and any other available options at the time. I still believe that.

Others I've cited for the same reason - Wesolowski, Porter, King, Sheehan, Odhiambo - have, I believe been better than other options for team or bench at the time and I don't have any reason to believe I was wrong in contrast to some who would have had Nielsen in our goal just because he was an experienced international rather than anything they'd seen, Chambers at left back and Kishishev instead of Weso.

I've welcomed the increased competition for places but can tell you this. It is not just me but Mandaric himself who reportedly values our youth players so highly.

Richard Stearman is one who might appreciate that comment because he's still here and hopefully forging a career as a centre-back where I believe he's at his best. Had MA had his way he might not have been here at all.

They'll be another young-older argument soon. Concerning Kaebi/Gradel. Already people are arguing for Kaebi on the right wing, not because he's a right winger as such but because they want Chambers at full-back. And Kaebi's shown enough in two outings to suggest he can play the right wing role, at least the modern version.

But as effective a right winger as Gradel? I seriously doubt it.

Kaebi has all the speed and skill to skip past players. But I've seen nothing to suggest he's a finisher or a man with a telling final pass. To me he's good, a real asset. Quality even. But he's a full-back or one ot those right-sided midfielders they like to pretend are wingers these days.

It's early days and there is time for him to prove me wrong. But he won't, although there's time for him to improve. Despite that being the case he'll get in the team and Gradel will have to wait even for a place on the bench, if he's lucky. The thing is, Chambers/Kaebi on the right will be defensively stronger than Kaebi/Gradel or Chambers/Gradel.

Hopefully sense will prevail and we'll use all three.

[Manwell Pablo]

premadonnas

Pre-Madonnas AHAHAHAHA your lucky quote of the week is long gone Geo.

[The People's Hero]

Pre-Madonnas AHAHAHAHA your lucky quote of the week is long gone Geo.

Worth bringing back for that, surely Mablington-Smythe?

[Manwell Pablo]

Worth bringing back for that, surely Mablington-Smythe?

Talk to Fez, it's his now, his to ruin.

[The People's Hero]

Talk to Fez, it's his now, his to ruin.

Fezbert Horatio-Jenkins you say?

Will do sir.

[Lord Nibblington]

It's early days and there is time for him to prove me wrong. But he won't, although there's time for him to improve.

So you're writing off the chances for a 21, soon to be 22 year old to develop his game?

Well. Someone better tell old Louis to get his arse in gear, since he's only got one year left to improve his game!

[Thracian]

So you're writing off the chances for a 21, soon to be 22 year old to develop his game?

Well. Someone better tell old Louis to get his arse in gear, since he's only got one year left to improve his game!

The Lincolnshire Echo have quoted Dodds as already saying he'd like to sign for Lincoln. With the sort of people he's been ignored for I'm not surprised.

[The People's Hero]

The Lincolnshire Echo have quoted Dodds as already saying he'd like to sign for Lincoln. With the sort of people he's been ignored for I'm not surprised.

I'd like to sign for Lincoln too.

[Geo V]

Beaglehole was managing senior players with the reserves last night - people like Kaebi, Fryatt, Kenton, Maybury, Henderson - and I didn't see him looking anything but at ease and in total command.

He was barking instructions for much of the time and had no problem getting instant response. He ordered Kaebi to get forward more which he did without question, Stearman to hold the defensive line and then get forward fast, Fraser Tuttle to stop giving away silly free-kicks - and how he knew he'd been told.

Beaglehole was masterful last night. I'm not arguing a case for his being manager but don't ever think Beaglehole wouldn't command respect because you'd be wrong.

Furthermore a good part of our squad comprises young players who he knows better than anyone and who he, presumably, has spoken up for when the question of their readiness for the first team has come up.

I wanted Logan in the team because at the time he was our best goalkeeper, no question. I also argued, not that Gradel was especially ready, but that he was better than Newton and any other available options at the time. I still believe that.

Others I've cited for the same reason - Wesolowski, Porter, King, Sheehan, Odhiambo - have, I believe been better than other options for team or bench at the time and I don't have any reason to believe I was wrong in contrast to some who would have had Nielsen in our goal just because he was an experienced international rather than anything they'd seen, Chambers at left back and Kishishev instead of Weso.

I've welcomed the increased competition for places but can tell you this. It is not just me but Mandaric himself who reportedly values our youth players so highly.

Richard Stearman is one who might appreciate that comment because he's still here and hopefully forging a career as a centre-back where I believe he's at his best. Had MA had his way he might not have been here at all.

They'll be another young-older argument soon. Concerning Kaebi/Gradel. Already people are arguing for Kaebi on the right wing, not because he's a right winger as such but because they want Chambers at full-back. And Kaebi's shown enough in two outings to suggest he can play the right wing role, at least the modern version.

But as effective a right winger as Gradel? I seriously doubt it.

Kaebi has all the speed and skill to skip past players. But I've seen nothing to suggest he's a finisher or a man with a telling final pass. To me he's good, a real asset. Quality even. But he's a full-back or one ot those right-sided midfielders they like to pretend are wingers these days.

It's early days and there is time for him to prove me wrong. But he won't, although there's time for him to improve. Despite that being the case he'll get in the team and Gradel will have to wait even for a place on the bench, if he's lucky. The thing is, Chambers/Kaebi on the right will be defensively stronger than Kaebi/Gradel or Chambers/Gradel.

Hopefully sense will prevail and we'll use all three.

Two more Thrac classics. Gradel better than Kaebi and Beaglehole was masterful last night! Maybe a little premature (is that one right lads or is it prima ture??! ) with your lyrical spouting there fella?! Neither has done fook all within football at this stage of there careers so don't get over excited like you have with the likes of Dodds, Porter, King, Sheehan and Odhiambo. Give them time to mature and lets see how good some of them get. Hopefully, they`ll be players good enough to start in the premiership one day, maybe with us.

Anyway, back to my classic, at you buggers continuing to rip my pre-madonnas, I doubt I`ll be able to live this one down and may have to get it on the back of my City shirt

[Ric Flair]

Two more Thrac classics. Gradel better than Kaebi and Beaglehole was masterful last night! Maybe a little premature (is that one right lads or is it prima ture??! ) with your lyrical spouting there fella?! Neither has done fook all within football at this stage of there careers so don't get over excited like you have with the likes of Dodds, Porter, King, Sheehan and Odhiambo. Give them time to mature and lets see how good some of them get. Hopefully, they`ll be players good enough to start in the premiership one day, maybe with us.

Anyway, back to my classic, at you buggers continuing to rip my pre-madonnas, I doubt I`ll be able to live this one down and may have to get it on the back of my City shirt

It's fascinating isn't it. We're talking about a youth team manager who's only managerial experience at professional level was with Doncaster in about 1988. If he was destined to be a manager of a first team then it would have happened by now, he's been in the wilderness for too long. But fair play to him for his achievements with our Academy.

As for Gradel and Kaebi. If Gradel reaches 50 caps for his country in his entire career let alone by the time he's 21-22 then i'll book a two week holiday in Compton, LA and enjoy it. Gradel's got potential, but Kaebi was and probably still is, the hottest prospect from Iran for several years. It's been said that although he's played at right back quite a lot, he's more suited in midfield.

[BigGibbo]

Hopefully sense will prevail and we'll use all three.

thats one way to solve our left sided roblem play everyone down the right

[Geo V]

It's fascinating isn't it. We're talking about a youth team manager who's only managerial experience at professional level was with Doncaster in about 1988. If he was destined to be a manager of a first team then it would have happened by now, he's been in the wilderness for too long. But fair play to him for his achievements with our Academy.

As for Gradel and Kaebi. If Gradel reaches 50 caps for his country in his entire career let alone by the time he's 21-22 then i'll book a two week holiday in Compton, LA and enjoy it. Gradel's got potential, but Kaebi was and probably still is, the hottest prospect from Iran for several years. It's been said that although he's played at right back quite a lot, he's more suited in midfield.

Loads of players have potential but not many fulfill it. I am greatful as a fan that the current set-up has allowed us to be in a position to look at some of these youngsters and use the odd one as an almost guaranteed first teamer in Weso and have others around the squad like Stearman, Sheehan, Mattock and Levi who at times come in and do OK but they are far from the United youth team of the Nevilles, Scholes, Beckhams and others like some go on about and still have to improve significantly to have even successful careers in the top two divisions. Again, I hope it happens but I for one wont be praising them to the hilt everytime they have a half decent game or start comparing them to International players with 50 caps.

[Thracian]

Two more Thrac classics. Gradel better than Kaebi and Beaglehole was masterful last night! Maybe a little premature (is that one right lads or is it prima ture??! ) with your lyrical spouting there fella?! Neither has done fook all within football at this stage of there careers so don't get over excited like you have with the likes of Dodds, Porter, King, Sheehan and Odhiambo. Give them time to mature and lets see how good some of them get. Hopefully, they`ll be players good enough to start in the premiership one day, maybe with us.

Anyway, back to my classic, at you buggers continuing to rip my pre-madonnas, I doubt I`ll be able to live this one down and may have to get it on the back of my City shirt

I read your comment and actually knew who had written it before I checked. The old 2+2=whatever daft score you want. I didn't say Gradel was better than Kaebi at all. Not even nearly. I said he was probably more dangerous as a winger. There wouldn't be a contest at right midfield or full-back. You really should have been a Labour spin doctor.

As for my assessment of Beaglehole last night City didn't ever have it easy against the big Lincoln team and it was Beaglehole who demanded the team increasingly move forwards with the result that we eventually got the breakthrough we needed and won the match.

He can only do what he's asked but at a time when so many inadequates are being proposed as our potential manager it is quite reassuring to see someone who seems to be quietly going about winning football matches more often than not. Even if he might have been persuaded to compromise his style on Saturday.

[The People's Hero]

I read your comment and actually knew who had written it before I checked. The old 2+2=whatever daft score you want. I didn't say Gradel was better than Kaebi at all. Not even nearly. I said he was probably more dangerous as a winger. There wouldn't be a contest at right midfield or full-back. You really should have been a Labour spin doctor.

As for my assessment of Beaglehole last night City didn't ever have it easy against the big Lincoln team and it was Beaglehole who demanded the team increasingly move forwards with the result that we eventually got the breakthrough we needed and won the match.

He can only do what he's asked but at a time when so many inadequates are being proposed as our potential manager it is quite reassuring to see someone who seems to be quietly going about winning football matches more often than not. Even if he might have been persuaded to compromise his style on Saturday.

You know when we were trying to explain to you what 'hypocrite' means...?

[Manwell Pablo]

I read your comment and actually knew who had written it before I checked. The old 2+2=whatever daft score you want. I didn't say Gradel was better than Kaebi at all. Not even nearly. I said he was probably more dangerous as a winger. There wouldn't be a contest at right midfield or full-back. You really should have been a Labour spin doctor.

As for my assessment of Beaglehole last night City didn't ever have it easy against the big Lincoln team and it was Beaglehole who demanded the team increasingly move forwards with the result that we eventually got the breakthrough we needed and won the match.

He can only do what he's asked but at a time when so many inadequates are being proposed as our potential manager it is quite reassuring to see someone who seems to be quietly going about winning football matches more often than not. Even if he might have been persuaded to compromise his style on Saturday.

I told you all he was a Tory boy.

[The People's Hero]

I know where it's at.

A hat hat hat.

[Geo V]

I read your comment and actually knew who had written it before I checked. The old 2+2=whatever daft score you want. I didn't say Gradel was better than Kaebi at all. Not even nearly. I said he was probably more dangerous as a winger. There wouldn't be a contest at right midfield or full-back. You really should have been a Labour spin doctor.

As for my assessment of Beaglehole last night City didn't ever have it easy against the big Lincoln team and it was Beaglehole who demanded the team increasingly move forwards with the result that we eventually got the breakthrough we needed and won the match.

He can only do what he's asked but at a time when so many inadequates are being proposed as our potential manager it is quite reassuring to see someone who seems to be quietly going about winning football matches more often than not. Even if he might have been persuaded to compromise his style on Saturday.

You didn't say Gradel was better than Kaebi but was probably more dangerous as a winger??! It basically means the same thing doesn't it? You think Gradel is more dangerous at RM than Kaebi! The fact that wingers or right-mids should also be able to defend must come into the discussion too and Kaebi can undoubtedly defend which surely would make him better suited to that part of the pitch, ahead of Gradel??!

As for The Beagle, all he has to do is wipe his nose in a certain way for you to describe him as almost god-like and above the best! Masterful today, world class tomorrow!

[Thracian]

You didn't say Gradel was better than Kaebi but was probably more dangerous as a winger??! It basically means the same thing doesn't it? You think Gradel is more dangerous at RM than Kaebi! The fact that wingers or right-mids should also be able to defend must come into the discussion too and Kaebi can undoubtedly defend which surely would make him better suited to that part of the pitch, ahead of Gradel??!

As for The Beagle, all he has to do is wipe his nose in a certain way for you to describe him as almost god-like and above the best! Masterful today, world class tomorrow!

It doesn't mean the same thing at all. Of course it is nice if, unlike Newton, our wingers can defend. George Best was brilliant at defending. Giggs and Ronaldo do their bit too.

But I don't want them defending to the detriment of their attacking energy. So many right/left midfielders are a cop-out - a defensive double cover really. Trouble is they are an excuse for the position because there are too few who around who can do play the right wing role properly.

Being a right winger means being able to run at people to commit them and disarrange the organisised defence. Great wingers then have the ability to pick out passes, high and low and to shoot thereby either getting goals or poviding rebound opportunities for th predators.

Sylla, Low, Hughes, Maybury, Newton, Porter, Tiatto never did any of that on the flanks. None of them can go past people, onl;y Porte and Newton have any idea how to pass and only Porter has any shooting technique never mind the instinct and confidence to actually take the responsiblity.

Well Gradel does. He has speed, he dribbles, he passes and he shoots. It's all he lives for as a footballer. He makes more mistakes than many cos he tries things. Anyone can do a Hughes and keep giving the responsibility to someone 10 yards away.

Kaebi gets part way. He has the pace, balance, ball control. But not, from what I've seen, the ruthless end product of a shot or pass that makes its mark. So far he's looked a pretty footballer rather than a killer.

To say you'd play Kaebi instead of Gradel is to say you're happy to be a potential scorer light - as so many seem to be. But not me. I'd choose between Kaebi and Chambers at right back. I wouldn't pick both. And I certainly wouldn't move Chambers to left backif he wasn't first choice right back. Football teams don't balance like that.

But don't worry. That's not how it'll turn out.

And the Beagle he will just trot back into the shadows, doubless to offer his help when needed, again.

[Hullfox]

I'd like to sign for Lincoln too.

I have.

Three year contract. That's why I haven't been posting as much.

[Thracian]

I have.

Three year contract. That's why I haven't been posting as much.

I hope you're not playing in defence.

Only joking.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I have.

Three year contract. That's why I haven't been posting as much.

Do you think you could buck your ideas up with the old crossing and free kicks business?

It's just that Doddsy is used to Alan Sheehan's service.

Thanks.

[Sir Fynwy]

I read your comment and actually knew who had written it before I checked. The old 2+2=whatever daft score you want. I didn't say Gradel was better than Kaebi at all. Not even nearly. I said he was probably more dangerous as a winger. There wouldn't be a contest at right midfield or full-back. You really should have been a Labour spin doctor.

As for my assessment of Beaglehole last night City didn't ever have it easy against the big Lincoln team and it was Beaglehole who demanded the team increasingly move forwards with the result that we eventually got the breakthrough we needed and won the match.

He can only do what he's asked but at a time when so many inadequates are being proposed as our potential manager it is quite reassuring to see someone who seems to be quietly going about winning football matches more often than not. Even if he might have been persuaded to compromise his style on Saturday.

If city reserves have to struggle to beat the likes of Lincoln reserves we should be expecting another relegation battle, Beaglehole is fine for the reserves but a non-starter for a step up.

[Thracian]

I told you all he was a Tory boy.

Sorry Manwell. After Alastair Campbell I've always associated Labour with spin - he turned the whole business into an art form. But I can't actually remember the last time I voted for anyone.

[Geo V]

It doesn't mean the same thing at all. Of course it is nice if, unlike Newton, our wingers can defend. George Best was brilliant at defending. Giggs and Ronaldo do their bit too.

But I don't want them defending to the detriment of their attacking energy. So many right/left midfielders are a cop-out - a defensive double cover really. Trouble is they are an excuse for the position because there are too few who around who can do play the right wing role properly.

Being a right winger means being able to run at people to commit them and disarrange the organisised defence. Great wingers then have the ability to pick out passes, high and low and to shoot thereby either getting goals or poviding rebound opportunities for th predators.

Sylla, Low, Hughes, Maybury, Newton, Porter, Tiatto never did any of that on the flanks. None of them can go past people, onl;y Porte and Newton have any idea how to pass and only Porter has any shooting technique never mind the instinct and confidence to actually take the responsiblity.

Well Gradel does. He has speed, he dribbles, he passes and he shoots. It's all he lives for as a footballer. He makes more mistakes than many cos he tries things. Anyone can do a Hughes and keep giving the responsibility to someone 10 yards away.

Kaebi gets part way. He has the pace, balance, ball control. But not, from what I've seen, the ruthless end product of a shot or pass that makes its mark. So far he's looked a pretty footballer rather than a killer.

To say you'd play Kaebi instead of Gradel is to say you're happy to be a potential scorer light - as so many seem to be. But not me. I'd choose between Kaebi and Chambers at right back. I wouldn't pick both. And I certainly wouldn't move Chambers to left backif he wasn't first choice right back. Football teams don't balance like that.

But don't worry. That's not how it'll turn out.

And the Beagle he will just trot back into the shadows, doubless to offer his help when needed, again.

You miss the point once again mate! Gradel is not Giggs, Ronaldo or Best. Im saying for what he is at this stage of his career maybe we have better choices with international pedigree.

I know this may on the face of it be a weak way to asses players abilities but with the money in the Premier league today, if Mattock, Gradel, King or any of the others were that good we would have had to beat of the interest from the top tier with a stick! The likes of Walcott moved on for silly money when only playing about 15 odd games, Bale was more experienced and an International when making his move but generally speaking, you very seldom if at all hear of a player being snapped up as a kid for peanuts and instantly becoming the "real deal". Many have had potential to make it and their abilities have alerted all sorts fo clubs like Lennon and Carson did at Leeds and as Etherington and Simon Davies did whilst at Peterboro. They all went for good size fees and most have developed to become good players but there was a buzz about them away from there own fans.

That doesnt mean that players cant develop over time after a move though. Players like Nugent left Bury i think for next to nothing, Sheff Utd let Billy Sharp go only to pay silly money to get him back and Im sure there are plenty more examples of players coming good after being sold, I think Jagielka back to everton was another.

The point is, some have that instant and obvious magic, some have to work hard to harness their abilities and some fall by the wayside. We wont know how good Gradel really is until he has a proper run in a lower league team like the Beckhams and Defoes did early on in their careers but to hype them up to be more effective than someone who has 50+ caps International caps is Prima ture (see what I did there lads? )

[Thracian]

You miss the point once again mate! Gradel is not Giggs, Ronaldo or Best. Im saying for what he is at this stage of his career maybe we have better choices with international pedigree.

I know this may on the face of it be a weak way to asses players abilities but with the money in the Premier league today, if Mattock, Gradel, King or any of the others were that good we would have had to beat of the interest from the top tier with a stick! The likes of Walcott moved on for silly money when only playing about 15 odd games, Bale was more experienced and an International when making his move but generally speaking, you very seldom if at all hear of a player being snapped up as a kid for peanuts and instantly becoming the "real deal". Many have had potential to make it and their abilities have alerted all sorts fo clubs like Lennon and Carson did at Leeds and as Etherington and Simon Davies did whilst at Peterboro. They all went for good size fees and most have developed to become good players but there was a buzz about them away from there own fans.

That doesnt mean that players cant develop over time after a move though. Players like Nugent left Bury i think for next to nothing, Sheff Utd let Billy Sharp go only to pay silly money to get him back and Im sure there are plenty more examples of players coming good after being sold, I think Jagielka back to everton was another.

The point is, some have that instant and obvious magic, some have to work hard to harness their abilities and some fall by the wayside. We wont know how good Gradel really is until he has a proper run in a lower league team like the Beckhams and Defoes did early on in their careers but to hype them up to be more effective than someone who has 50+ caps International caps is Prima ture (see what I did there lads? )

Yet again I didn't say Gradel was Best or anyone else. I said they were the type of players I thought of as wingers. Do you need some simpler examples. Derek Hogg, Howard Riley, Mike Stringfellow, Lenny Glover, Steve Guppy. If you want some more come back.

If our leaders think Kaebi is a better choice, fine. But it will be as a full-back or right midfielder. Not a genuine winger.

As for the likes of Bale, he got games. Gradel didn't get games beause people like Kelly and Allen preferred experience in the form of a host of alternatives, none of whom did any good. Which rather mocks their judgement when it comes to wingers.