Player ratings v Colchester

[BigGibbo]

As davieG says Fezzler, it is indeed a good post but personally I was not impressed with Sheehan. I asked a friend who has never seen him play to watch him on TV from a neutral's perspective and he backed up my own thoughts that along with Stearman he was a weakness. He said that it's alright praising him for near assists etc but when he takes the bulk of free kicks and corners, he's likely to get that sort of recognition.

Having said that, corners were often delivered short and, defensively he was found wanting on too many occasions. His booking was because he was made to look stupid.

The overall view was that Sheehan would not be in his starting 11 if he were looking for a team that could gain promotion.

In fairness though he could not say whether he liked anyone else that played because of his continuous looking out for Sheehan.

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I wonder if the same scrutiny was given to ANY player in ANY League around the world would you find ANY player that makes more goals than mistakes?

Try it sometime with the biggest name players in the Prem (or anywher else) - you will be surprised how CRAP they are by this standard!

If this amounts to independent analysis pleeeeze do not apply for the vacant manager position (and discourage your friend too!)

Give this guy a break - a dozen games in 2 years - 4 official assists - 2 goals from LB - 5/6 yellow cards (committment) - stayed with us to FIGHT when he could have gone on loan - we need 11 like him!

Think I am with Tracian on this!

Don't know how to do quotes - sorry!

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Edit: Lots of yellow cards = commitment

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Just click on reply at the bottom right of the message you want to quote then start writing at the bottom below the quote

Edit: Lots of yellow cards = commitment

Work like that Gillbo (yes still calling you Gillbo ) will get you a role with Admin

[Bert]

Stearman has two things over Sheehan.

1: Pace.

2: He's a lot uglier.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Stearman has two things over Sheehan.

1: Pace.

2: He's a lot uglier.

3: No potential (unfortanetly)

[BigGibbo]

Work like that Gillbo (yes still calling you Gillbo ) will get you a role with Admin

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Incase you were wondering this is the other legendary GILBO

[BigGibbo]

Incase you were wondering this is the other legendary GILBO

OOh Arr he's not as good looking as me! Is that aussie rules football he plays

[SOCCERROO FOX]

OOh Arr he's not as good looking as me! Is that aussie rules football he plays

Sure is my fav player by far was not a well known player round the traps but is a superstar with his don't argues (pushing players away as tho go to tacle him) and dashing mad running from defence in only his first season

So another words fell privledged.

Oooh umm yeah player ratings Dj seemed to do a bit of work was not as lazy as everyone makes out actually looked like he was worth something not 2.1 mil pound but something

[BigGibbo]

Sure is my fav player by far was not a well known player round the traps but is a superstar with his don't argues (pushing players away as tho go to tacle him) and dashing mad running from defence in only his first season

So another words fell privledged.

Oooh umm yeah player ratings Dj seemed to do a bit of work was not as lazy as everyone makes out actually looked like he was worth something not 2.1 mil pound but something

Oh good i am privileged but he's not as good as our Weso is he

[Hullfox]

I wonder if the same scrutiny was given to ANY player in ANY League around the world would you find ANY player that makes more goals than mistakes?

Try it sometime with the biggest name players in the Prem (or anywher else) - you will be surprised how CRAP they are by this standard!

If this amounts to independent analysis pleeeeze do not apply for the vacant manager position (and discourage your friend too!)

Give this guy a break - a dozen games in 2 years - 4 official assists - 2 goals from LB - 5/6 yellow cards (committment) - stayed with us to FIGHT when he could have gone on loan - we need 11 like him!

Think I am with Tracian on this!

I think that you'll find that players are regularly analysed on this basis (but obviously by professionals) to enable improvement.

I asked my mate to look at Sheehan because I cannot honestly see why he is hyped up so much by some. It was to try and get another perspective on him in case I had blinkers on, that's all.

As for needing 11 like him, that sir is complete nonsense.

[Thracian]

As davieG says Fezzler, it is indeed a good post but personally I was not impressed with Sheehan. I asked a friend who has never seen him play to watch him on TV from a neutral's perspective and he backed up my own thoughts that along with Stearman he was a weakness. He said that it's alright praising him for near assists etc but when he takes the bulk of free kicks and corners, he's likely to get that sort of recognition.

Having said that, corners were often delivered short and, defensively he was found wanting on too many occasions. His booking was because he was made to look stupid.

The overall view was that Sheehan would not be in his starting 11 if he were looking for a team that could gain promotion.

In fairness though he could not say whether he liked anyone else that played because of his continuous looking out for Sheehan.

Interesting indeed but your friend's analysis seems flawed from the start because lots of people have taken our corners and free-kicks these last three or four seasons and no-one, not even Joey, has brought the same sense of anticipation with him.

There really is an air of expectation when Sheehan delivers. It was rightly pointed out that his run-up was severely restricted at Colchester which didn't help his consistency but even then so many of our more dangerous moments had Sheehan involved.

All our players were found wanting defensively on occasions. But even when under pressure early on Sheehan didn't let Yeates get behind him very often - and, indeed, earned his booking for his cynical determination to stop that happening.

It was some achievement that he stopped Yeates scoring because he's had a goal in half the matches he's played this season and, in the end, Sheehan subdued him so much that he was our outstanding defender second half with a whole lot of good clearances, tackles and interceptions.

I respect the fact that we seem to have different criteria for what makes a first team footballer. I look at what players achieve/contribute whereas you seem to focus on what they do wrong.

However, even with your approach Leicester's defence has conceded very few league goals when Sheehan has played. And the more he plays the less that can simply be coincidence.

As for him justifying a place in a team to challenge for promotion, if Sheehan can score/make/nearly make so many goals in so few matches with ordinary players, I can only assume he would do even better in a more accomplished attacking side where he had more support and was able to get forward even more.

Because Saturday he had few choices for ground passing because we were so limited in midfield - yet Sheehan is as comfortable passing to feet as he is when launching the ball.

[Fat Ron]

Interesting indeed but your friend's analysis seems flawed from the start because lots of people have taken our corners and free-kicks these last three or four seasons and no-one, not even Joey, has brought the same sense of anticipation with him.

There really is an air of expectation when Sheehan delivers. It was rightly pointed out that his run-up was severely restricted at Colchester which didn't help his consistency but even then so many of our more dangerous moments had Sheehan involved.

All our players were found wanting defensively on occasions. But even when under pressure early on Sheehan didn't let Yeates get behind him very often - and, indeed, earned his booking for his cynical determination to stop that happening.

It was some achievement that he stopped Yeates scoring because he's had a goal in half the matches he's played this season and, in the end, Sheehan subdued him so much that he was our outstanding defender second half with a whole lot of good clearances, tackles and interceptions.

I respect the fact that we seem to have different criteria for what makes a first team footballer. I look at what players achieve/contribute whereas you seem to focus on what they do wrong.

However, even with your approach Leicester's defence has conceded very few league goals when Sheehan has played. And the more he plays the less that can simply be coincidence.

Didnt see this one coming

[Manwell Pablo]

He wasn't too bad, his corners and free kicks have been better, and Yeates did make him look like a complete twat a couple of times, and he managed to make himself look like a twat with the booking. That aside he wasn't to bad, looked pretty comfortable passing it around.

[Fat Ron]

He wasn't too bad, his corners and free kicks have been better, and Yeates did make him look like a complete twat a couple of times, and he managed to make himself look like a twat with the booking. That aside he wasn't to bad, looked pretty comfortable passing it around.

I'd agree with that, You could see that his confidence is growing with every game he plays. Lets just hope he doesnt get too confident especially with his free kicks.

[Dr The Singh]

He wasn't too bad, his corners and free kicks have been better, and Yeates did make him look like a complete twat a couple of times, and he managed to make himself look like a twat with the booking. That aside he wasn't to bad, looked pretty comfortable passing it around.

Agreed, people are over analysing, we played against a mediocre championship side, most of our players are mediocre, I don't feel the need to iconise them!!

[Hullfox]

Interesting indeed but your friend's analysis seems flawed from the start because he doesn't love Sheehan as much as I do.

Why didn't you just write that?

[Ultra]

I won't bother with a proper evaluation of Sheehan's performance. I'll just slag him off so I can have ANOTHER dig at Thracian.

Why didn't you just write that? It would have been a lot more succinct - and more truthful.

[Ultra]

Fulop - 6 (looked mortal for once)

Stearman - 6 (wasn't too bad, but still a liability)

McAuley - 8* (excellent game)

N'Gotty - 7 (another solid performance)

Kisnorbo - 7 (ditto)

Sheehan - 6 (not as creative as in recent games)

Chambers - 6 (tried hard, but still a square peg in a round hole)

Kenton - 6 (competitive, nothing more)

Fryatt - 7 (did well in an unfamiliar role)

John - 6 (took his goal well but tired later on)

Campbell - 5 (never threatened to repeat midweek heroics)

Newton - 5 (hardly in the game)

Cort - 6 (little proper service)

[Thracian]

Why didn't you just write that?

Firstly because it wouldn't be true and secondly because the guy deserves defending and I fail to see why you never, not once that I can recall, have one good word to say about a defender who's made a massive contribution to our season.

I doubt Sheehan would even have had a chance in the side had you had your way and the very fact you asked your friend to analyse his performance suggests you wondered if you might have been harsh on him.

Well you talked about analysis.

Sheehan has had a hand in six goals officially, in one more perfectly legitimate goal unofficially and so many other secondary assists and seriously close things...conservatively 14/15 such moments in all which is a huge number for a left back in what amounts to half a season throughout his first team career. He is also our fifth most prolific shooter...as a full-back!

That record has come from some 13 matches this season, of which we've lost four, and 19 games all told of which we've lost just five including two against Premiership sides Bolton and Chelsea. In those 19 games we've conceded 20 goals and only 13 goals in the 17 matches which were played against below-Premiership opposition.

So given we statistically concede slightly fewer League goals when Sheehan plays why, in a team where so many players are failing to create anything much, would you seek to devalue someone who not only defends okay but who does make things happen at the other end?

It is easy to deflect my comments with cryptic asides but we'd have had a miserable season without Sheehan's contributions. Can you honestly not appreciate that?

Mattock is a good enough player but to date I think he has perhaps had one assist in his first team career and I don't think there's anyone else in our squad who would even better Mattock's contribution let alone Sheehan's.

[Manwell Pablo]

Fulop - 6 (looked mortal for once)

Stearman - 6 (wasn't too bad, but still a liability)

McAuley - 8* (excellent game)

N'Gotty - 7 (another solid performance)

Kisnorbo - 7 (ditto)

Sheehan - 6 (not as creative as in recent games)

Chambers - 6 (tried hard, but still a square peg in a round hole)

Kenton - 6 (competitive, nothing more)

Fryatt - 7 (did well in an unfamiliar role)

John - 6 (took his goal well but tired later on)

Campbell - 5 (never threatened to repeat midweek heroics)

Newton - 5 (hardly in the game)

Cort - 6 (little proper service)

My god, I have to say I nearly completley agree with all of that.

[Thracian]

Agreed, people are over analysing, we played against a mediocre championship side, most of our players are mediocre, I don't feel the need to iconise them!!

As a Championship club I don't think our leading players are mediocre at all. By that I'd include at least 16 members of our squad.

True some we've signed couldn't lace the boots of the 60's players I grew up with but in the context of 21st century football our better players are not nearly as bad as people make out.

Trouble is teams are made up of 11 good players not proportions thereof and they need consistent high quality leadership.

Yet where is the potential leadership? Indeed how so many ex-players people with poor communication skills and demonstrably weak analytical ability and tactical imagination ever get their coaching certificates I don't know, except that football looks after its own.

I've qualified coaches and got in lots of trouble for refusing to qualify anyone who wasn't good enough so I know this jobs for the boys attitude exists in many sports.

Perhaps evidence of the truth of what I say is reflected in the shortage of good English managers because so many continentals are light years ahead of us in the points I mention and the language skills necessary to attract and communicate with players from overseas.

As for our players, here we are at Leicester City, at the beginning of November, still needing a good right sided midfielder given that we don't have one and Gradel may never return given the problems he's facing.

We also need a left winger seeing as Porter seems to be our one option and I'd also suggest we need a right wing back. Three players as an absolute minimum before we can challenge seriously, four if Mattock is going to take much longer to recover.

We've known most of those problems have existed for weeks but nothing has been done. Yet still what's left of our squad has scrambled up to midway in the table despite all the managerial and coaching disruption anyone could ever imagine and with serious weaknesses within the team, not to mention a huge injury list.

I don't iconise anyone at Leicester City. If it were at all in my nature its the Bergkamps, Cruyffs, Peles and Bests I might iconise.

But it's unhelpful to belittle our players, our performances and our management teams when they've done pretty well in testing circumstances.

That we still have any chance of reaching the play-offs is remarkable and there are many who deserve credit for that lifting us into that situation. To a man the team regulars deserve better than the sort of administrative shit they've had to put up with since Allen's arrival and beyond. And right now they need encouragement.

At least that would be my approach as a manager and I cannot imagine why a fan should be different.

[Hullfox]

Firstly because it wouldn't be true and secondly because the guy deserves defending and I fail to see why you never, not once that I can recall, have one good word to say about a defender who's made a massive contribution to our season.

Read my following post from earlier in the season. To me, it does not read like a condemnation of the guy. Now toddle off and find me some harsh words you've ever said against him.

For me Sheehan put in all the effort that could be expected from him. However, I thought he looked nervous in the first half and as such made some silly mistakes with short passes and positional play. That said, Watford were really trying to open us up down the right hand side so he was under close scrutiny. But, as the game progressed, particularly after his free kick in the first half, he seemed to grow in confidence and seemed to give himself more time on the ball. His deflected goal was as some say fortunate but he deserves his luck. He was ten times better than at Accrington and can undoubtedly do a job for us.

Whether he has what it takes to make the position his own though is surely down to him. I don't think anyone on here wants him not to succeed.

I doubt Sheehan would even have had a chance in the side had you had your way and the very fact you asked your friend to analyse his performance suggests you wondered if you might have been harsh on him.

Actually, I was interested to see why he divided opinion so much and as I said in my earlier post to see whether I was wearing blinkers. You see Thrach, the biggest difference between you and I is that I can accept I might be wrong.

Well you talked about analysis.

Sheehan has had a hand in six goals officially, in one more perfectly legitimate goal unofficially and so many other secondary assists and seriously close things...conservatively 14/15 such moments in all which is a huge number for a left back in what amounts to half a season throughout his first team career. He is also our fifth most prolific shooter...as a full-back!

Sorry but that truly is pish.

So given we statistically concede slightly fewer League goals when Sheehan plays why, in a team where so many players are failing to create anything much, would you seek to devalue someone who not only defends okay but who does make things happen at the other end?

It is easy to deflect my comments with cryptic asides but we'd have had a miserable season without Sheehan's contributions. Can you honestly not appreciate that?

Basically I tell it as I see it. You trumpet him endlessly and I offer an alternative view. I refer you to my quoted comments above, you will see that I am unlike some, able to offer both critical and supporting comments.

[Hullfox]

Why didn't you just write that? It would have been a lot more succinct - and more truthful.

Oooooooohhh, sob sob sob. Someone get me a moderator, Ultra's bullying me................

[Thracian]

Read my following post from earlier in the season. To me, it does not read like a condemnation of the guy. Now toddle off and find me some harsh words you've ever said against him.

Actually, I was interested to see why he divided opinion so much and as I said in my earlier post to see whether I was wearing blinkers. You see Thrach, the biggest difference between you and I is that I can accept I might be wrong.

Sorry but that truly is pish.

Basically I tell it as I see it. You trumpet him endlessly and I offer an alternative view. I refer you to my quoted comments above, you will see that I am unlike some, able to offer both critical and supporting comments.

a) I didn't recall that post but the basis of the point remains. Praise from you for Sheehan is rare indeed - and is even suggested by your comment about "blinkers". I've criticised Sheehan on several occasions and I well accept he played badly at Charlton and indifferently at Crystal Palace. But it's hard to be harsh about a young, still learning guy who's been fairly successful in his 20 games so far - as has his team.

b) He's not dividing opinion anything like the way he was. Most fans seem to mark him around 6/6.5, some as high as 7 and occasionally 8 while really there's only a small group who seem to consistently mark him low however he plays for reasons best known to themselves.

I'd happily accept being wrong about Sheehan or anyone else but the facts speak for themselves and those facts show he's been our most effective left back for years these last couple of months.

c) I'm not sure why you call the highlighted comment pish. I can count the instances referred to in my head.

d) As for your "critical and supporting comments" that remark suggests a balance that I've never noticed. Funny how I seem to have missed all the praise. I'll try to be more diligent.

[lookwhaticando]

So... Richard Stearman... didn't he do well on Saturday?