Louise Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Good posting Hoof, I'm still completely behind Levein, but at the moment our league position does make me nervous especially considering a loss at West Ham could put us into the bottom 3. It seems rediculous that just 2/3 wins could ensure our safety and with 10 games surely its possible to get them.... but we don't half like making it interesting...
FNQ Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Levein is not scum, he's just not good enough. 79188[/snapback] Give me your reasons why he isn't, taking in to consideration that when you first arrive at a new club with the intentions of re-building it, that it takes time to become successfull. Look at Burley at Derby, Moyes at Everton, etc. Levein's record before he came here is excellent, so your reasons will be interesting to read. I do remember you as an Adams lover to the hilt, so I can understand why you feel threatened by Levein. 79193[/snapback] Most clubs who appoint a new manager actually have a upturn in fortunes, even if it's just for a few games. From the moment Levein walked through the door we have plummeted. Levein has absolutely no experience of the english game, absolutely none. The SPL is entirely different. Do we really want him to learn about the English game using our club as the guinea pig? Does Levein inspire you with his post match interviews? The man has absolutely no charisma and I doubt he can motivate the team to the same degree as a Micky Adams character could. He changes the team and system for virtually every game. After we play shite but win he sticks with the same team, but if we loose he instantly 'rings the changes'! Also, his signings are far from impressive. He has panic buyed - If the moneys not available to get players good enough for the job then wait until the money is available rather than wasting money by spending £100,000 here and there. He is obsessed with 'young and hungry' players. A players age has nothing to do with whether they are good enough.
Simon Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Levein is not scum, he's just not good enough. 79188[/snapback] Give me your reasons why he isn't, taking in to consideration that when you first arrive at a new club with the intentions of re-building it, that it takes time to become successfull. Look at Burley at Derby, Moyes at Everton, etc. Levein's record before he came here is excellent, so your reasons will be interesting to read. I do remember you as an Adams lover to the hilt, so I can understand why you feel threatened by Levein. 79193[/snapback] Most clubs who appoint a new manager actually have a upturn in fortunes, even if it's just for a few games. From the moment Levein walked through the door we have plummeted. Levein has absolutely no experience of the english game, absolutely none. The SPL is entirely different. Do we really want him to learn about the English game using our club as the guinea pig? Does Levein inspire you with his post match interviews? The man has absolutely no charisma and I doubt he can motivate the team to the same degree as a Micky Adams character could. He changes the team and system for virtually every game. After we play shite but win he sticks with the same team, but if we loose he instantly 'rings the changes'! Also, his signings are far from impressive. He has panic buyed - If the moneys not available to get players good enough for the job then wait until the money is available rather than wasting money by spending £100,000 here and there. He is obsessed with 'young and hungry' players. A players age has nothing to do with whether they are good enough. 79201[/snapback] No you are right a players age has nothing to do with whether they are good enough- but they do look hungry to play unlike some of Adams' bunch of 'ex-premiership stars' which were going to set the Championship alight. At least they do have one thing- a hunger to play. It doesnt matter if your're a good player if you cant be arsed. Of course FNQ Mickey Adams' motivational skills were excellent! Why did the players look tired and unwilling to play for the side under Adams and yet look galvinised and hungry under Levein (last nights comback being a case in point). Levein is rebuilding and this takes time, we are going to have some wierd results (both in terms of losing AND I'd imagine by the end of the season winning). We've finally put an end to the long ball 'hoof' tactics of the Adams era and are finally beginning to pass the ball around a bit. I am genuinely excited by some of Levein's signings- certainly Hughes, Maybury is growing on me and at £100,000 McCarthy looks like a bargain. So I agree with you 100% Hoof, and that was precisely the reason why, yes I was angry we were 2-0 down but decided not to engage in any of the 'scum, crap etc' postings. LONG LIVE LEVEIN! KTF!!!
Ric Flair Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Levein is not scum, he's just not good enough. 79188[/snapback] Give me your reasons why he isn't, taking in to consideration that when you first arrive at a new club with the intentions of re-building it, that it takes time to become successfull. Look at Burley at Derby, Moyes at Everton, etc. Levein's record before he came here is excellent, so your reasons will be interesting to read. I do remember you as an Adams lover to the hilt, so I can understand why you feel threatened by Levein. 79193[/snapback] Most clubs who appoint a new manager actually have a upturn in fortunes, even if it's just for a few games. From the moment Levein walked through the door we have plummeted. Levein has absolutely no experience of the english game, absolutely none. The SPL is entirely different. Do we really want him to learn about the English game using our club as the guinea pig? Does Levein inspire you with his post match interviews? The man has absolutely no charisma and I doubt he can motivate the team to the same degree as a Micky Adams character could. He changes the team and system for virtually every game. After we play shite but win he sticks with the same team, but if we loose he instantly 'rings the changes'! Also, his signings are far from impressive. He has panic buyed - If the moneys not available to get players good enough for the job then wait until the money is available rather than wasting money by spending £100,000 here and there. He is obsessed with 'young and hungry' players. A players age has nothing to do with whether they are good enough. 79201[/snapback] Alex Ferguson, Jock Wallace, Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger had no knowledge of the english game before they came here. Now don't get me wrong i'm not saying Levein is as good as the 4 mentioned, but he might well turn out to be. It was a gamble appointing Levein, just as it was to appoint Martin O'Neill. I do enjoy Levein's interviews as he speaks the truth and what he says alot of the fans can agree and relate to. I don't even think Adams was that good at motivating, if he was he'd have kept us up last season when we were throwing leads away left, right and centre. Any motivation is a two way thing and Levein has proved he can motivate at Cowdenbeath and Hearts. We can argue all day, but let's save this argument for this time next season and see what debate we can have. I imagine i'll be the one who can back up my opinions with more authority as Levein will have turned things round here. Most clubs who appoint a new manager actually have a upturn in fortunes, even if it's just for a few games. From the moment Levein walked through the door we have plummeted. As you've said 'most' and I agree with you that this does happen sometimes. But again that can't be the only source of judgement whether a manager will succeed at a club. Look at Taylor at Leicester, O'Neill at Leicester for that matter. I admit we've been woeful this season and Levein isn't entirely free of the blame, but anyone who really knows how football works will tell you that it takes time to completely re-build. This club wasn't in a state where all that was needed was someone to come in and keep things ticking over, it's been in the shit for a long time and eventually someone had to completely change it. I see no reason not to back Levein, all the fans had accepted that the club needed a major re-structuring and when that happens fans have to be patient. If Levein turns out to be unsuccessful here then 'pat yourself on the back' but it will be more of a fluke that you've predicted he'd fail rather than your expertise.
Katy Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 I think you will find a lot of people are still behind Levein - he hasnt been given nearly long enough yet, its unfortunate that we are dicing with relegation but im certainly not laying it all at CLs door. I believe we are victims of our own success with regards to the FACup run getting in the way of the league. Its in our own hands now, we now have 6 out of 8 games at home next month - we should be winning those games and pulling clear and I believe we will do it. I trust Levein to do it!
Frenzied Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 If we look at the initial success of Taylor, it can argued that this was really the backwash of the O'Neill years - after a few months we changed from table toppers to a side that couldn't win at all. My guess is a simialr thing is happening now. Adams lost the plot and we are still feeling the effects of that, and only gradually pulling ourselves around. If Adams were still here we would probably be in a similar, if not worse position. Levein should be judged on the next two seasons not the past few months, as he's been trying to undo the mistakes of Adams, Bassett and Taylor.
Chimp Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 [..] Does Levein inspire you with his post match interviews? The man has absolutely no charisma and I doubt he can motivate the team to the same degree as a Micky Adams character could.79201[/snapback] I don't agree with that at all, the evidence with have at hand would seem to indicate that the opposite is true. How many times with MA were we in the lead only to loose the game due to a poor second half performance or some strange substitutions? More than a number of times this season we've been behind at HT for the team to come out and to either pull the game back to a draw or at the very least to put in a great performance - last night being a prime example - the manager has to take some credit in this.
Guest Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Does Levein inspire you with his post match interviews? The man has absolutely no charisma and I doubt he can motivate the team to the same degree as a Micky Adams character could. 79201[/snapback] Micky Adams? Charisma? I've seen inanimate objects with more charisma than Adams.
Ricey Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 I am fully behind Levein. If you had said to me when Micky left '...a new manager will come in and you will be fighting a relegation battle at the end of the season' I would of been gutted because I could only see us moving up the league with a new manager. However I'm not gutted. I know Craig Levein is a good manager, he is one of the breed of new managers that blends discipline, organisation (throughtout the club) and intelligence. I feel highly honoured to have him here because I know what he is doing at the moment is benefiting our club in the long run. For example: - He has got ridden of the over aged, over paid players like Keown, Elliott, Scowcroft, Benjamin, Makin etc. - Maybury, Moore, McCarthy, Kisnorbo and Hughes have been drafted in. All these players are players with potential, they have a determination to prove something and they all have plenty of years ahead of them. These are the players we should ofbrought last summer. - The coaching staff that he has brought in have all impressed me, there seems to be a bit of everything within the new coaching team now not just 'Mickys Motivators'. - He has rejuvenated players like Gillespie, Williams and Gidjonsson. All 3 of these players have come to life under Levein, it's clear players want to play for him and this is a quality a certain Martin O'Neill had. - The man has been so honest and open with the fans and in media, this can only be positive in the future by creating good relationships with the fans and it reassures me about the future of the club. Craig Levein is a quality manager. Okay we have dropped the league since he took charge, but you what......it doesn't bother me. I know we won't get relegated, I know this club will move forward with him in charge and I know next season we will be a force to be reckoned with.
Chimp Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Craig Levein is a quality manager. Okay we have dropped the league since he took charge, but you what......it doesn't bother me. I know we won't get relegated, I know this club will move forward with him in charge and I know next season we will be a force to be reckoned with. 79223[/snapback] That's kind of how I feel and, not that I think it's going to happen, but if we do get relegated then, y'know, so what? I'll still be there week in, week out, supporting a team and a manager that I still have faith in.
Guest Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Craig Levein is a quality manager. Okay we have dropped the league since he took charge, but you what......it doesn't bother me. I know we won't get relegated, I know this club will move forward with him in charge and I know next season we will be a force to be reckoned with. 79223[/snapback] That's kind of how I feel and, not that I think it's going to happen, but if we do get relegated then, y'know, so what? I'll still be there week in, week out, supporting a team and a manager that I still have faith in. 79227[/snapback] Yip, it'll hurt, but I'll still be there. On the plus side, I'll get closer to the 92!
Scow Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 I think what you have to take in to account is that the club have employed 3 manager's this season. Additionally, we've seen a high turnover of players throughout the season as well. What Levein has successfully managed to do is shift out the deadwood who offered this club no future beyond this season. As Hoof has pointed out, MA time at the club was characterised by short term fixes. Our problem was deep rooted, and that cannot be concealed by 'filling the gaps'. At least we're looking to build a younger, settled side. All this upheaveal is bound to have an effect on results and performances as we're not settled side. That is not Levein's fault, this is as a result of what MA had left behind. A crippling, ageing squad looking for it's last pay day. At least now we're looking a more professional outfit, one that is prepared to play football on the ground and not likely to collapse in the last 10 minutes like under the previous regime...
step Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 I am glad to that most people have the interlect and forsight to see that CL is building a squad for the future and to achieve that, he has to go through a steep learning curve, working out what the players stengths and weaknesses are and how they interact with each other on the pitch, during this period it is inevitable that he will tryout formations and player combinations that dont work very well. But if he learns from them then city will progress. Last night proved how quick he is to adapt to circumstances that confront him and how good he is at putting in a solution to a problem. which is more than can be said for MA. As for suggestions that MA could motivate a team better than CL. Utter Rubbish. We will not be relegated and we will be promoted at the end of next season.
shen Posted 16 March 2005 Posted 16 March 2005 Like Hoof said, reading this thread from start to finish is almost comical...or sad.. whichever way you choose to look at it. Certainly we have a few 'fans' jumping the gun, talking doom and gloom and with which purpose?! People who are calling for Leveins head are probably the same people that called for MONs head back then... clearly some have their heads up their arses. The club has been/is in turmoil and the key words now are stability and continuity. Sack Levein, and then you'll see this club go right down the drain!!
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