Neil Warnock

[Geo V]

Gradel may be smallish but he's been hammered all his career - including regularly this season at Bournemouth - because that's the only way some folk can stop him.

I remember at the Academy play-off final at Sunderland they really gave him some treatment but he took it all and carried on tormenting them. It was amazing he could still stand by the time he was substituted second half but he still scored, still created chances and finished as arguably Man of the Match.

Our free kick ratio will rise dramatically if Gradel ever gets in the first team cos if you read the BBC reports on Bournemouth it's foul on Gradel free kick to... with great regularity. I doubt he'll ever be big but he'll cope. After the death of his mum I doubt that dealing with a few hard cases will daunt him at all.

Davie Gibson had the slightest physique and rarely got his shorts dirty even on mudbath pitches. But he still made opponents look mugs just like any number of small players like Giles, Bremner, Strachan, the list is endless.

You say our loanees haven't set the world alight but they've done a lot more than some of the loanees who've come here.

Gradel is worshipped at Bournemouth, and by Crewe cos he got a 10 rating against them and was clapped off even by the Crewe fans whose club enquired about taking him there shortly afterwards. He's been a regular scorer and has often led Bournemouth their fight against relegation.

Dodds is third top scorer with nine goals at Lincoln despite playing all the time in midfield (how we could do with that) and Shush!, after his recent free-kick winner and after helping Leeds keep four clean successive sheets as they hit the play-off places, is now the subject of "get him signed up" chat.

What have we had? No goals from Laczko, Bori, Etuhu, Oakley and not much in the way of assists from them either, or from Clapham.

SWP and Lennon are good wingers who havent let their height effect their effectiveness so its not just about that but we have thrown quite a few youngsters into teh team and not many have stuck.

I dont want to keep regurgitating the same old argument we have but none of our younger lads have done well enough consistently to warrant a place. Stearman arguably has improved the most over the season as most wanted him punted out early, Mattock hasnt featured that much although by recent accounts is playing well, Weso? The rest? I can totally see the logic in bringing more experienced wingers like Bell, Laczko, Bori and Etuhu and sending the likes of Max on loan as in the long run we will benefit. Its no point using him like we have Levi or even Shush! if after a short while there confidence is shot and they rot in the reserves.

[Sniffer-Clarke]

And good on us as well... I didn't want him then and I don't want him now! I'd rather have Holloway ANY day of the week, month, year.... WHATEVER!!!

Holloway was doing a decent job at Plymouth before he came here... what's to say that Warnock would have been able to do anything differently with our players? Yes, you could argue, what's to say that he wouldn't be a fantastic manager that would have got us to the play-offs... but then you could say that for virtually ANY manager!

Lets face it, he started out with a better squad at Crystal Palace than he would have here...

This his Holloways squad you muppet who has got an appalling record at city up to date.

[lookwhaticando]

And good on us as well... I didn't want him then and I don't want him now!

I can't help but notice that you're being incredibly negative.

[Thracian]

SWP and Lennon are good wingers who havent let their height effect their effectiveness so its not just about that but we have thrown quite a few youngsters into teh team and not many have stuck.

I dont want to keep regurgitating the same old argument we have but none of our younger lads have done well enough consistently to warrant a place. Stearman arguably has improved the most over the season as most wanted him punted out early, Mattock hasnt featured that much although by recent accounts is playing well, Weso? The rest? I can totally see the logic in bringing more experienced wingers like Bell, Laczko, Bori and Etuhu and sending the likes of Max on loan as in the long run we will benefit. Its no point using him like we have Levi or even Shush! if after a short while there confidence is shot and they rot in the reserves.

Holloway has developed no-one that I can see, apart from Stearman.

Gradel should have been here helping us avoid relegation because, until Bell's arrival we didn't have anyone on the right who was anywhere near as dangerous. Indeed, I've not seen Bell as a potential scorer either, but he can play a bit.

As for the others, like Mattock, King, Weso and Beswick in our special circumstances what has Holloway done but give them bit parts? Playing them and dropping them doesn't do any good. I'd doubt any of the four are better players now than when he arrived.

Shush! might be now cos Leeds seem to have got him properly fit and seem to appreciate him.

[dandannieldanok]

You can never tire of this.....

[FilboFox]

This his Holloways squad you muppet who has got an appalling record at city up to date.

The vast majority of the squad here is Holloway's, granted, he has brought in a quite few players to try and sort out the problems BUT most of the players are still the same ones and all the ones that he has brought in, with the exception of a few have been, on paper, good players. Hendrie, Oakley, Bell, Etuhu, Clapham are all very good players and there are others that are better than the league position suggests and they need to pull their weight more!

More to the point which I was trying to get at as well if you could read is that where is the proof that Warnock could have done ANY better here if he had been bringing in his own players!?! At Crystal Palace, he started out with a MUCH better squad than he would have here and therefore already had a leg up advantage in boosting his credentials and getting Palace to the play-offs... which they won't do BTW. Hull and Watford away... can't see it happening.

You need to try and stick to the topic in hand as stop diverting it so you can vent your Holloway hate posts as they aren't relevant at all to this thread which is dealing with the point of IF WARNOCK HAD JOINED US WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE AND BEFORE HOLLOWAY JOINED US!!!! Who's the muppet now eh? Ye twat.

[renards]

No proof to say he would of done better.

7 wins in 28

Have to go some with our squad to do worse

[Sniffer-Clarke]

The vast majority of the squad here is Holloway's, granted, he has brought in a quite few players to try and sort out the problems BUT most of the players are still the same ones and all the ones that he has brought in, with the exception of a few have been, on paper, good players. Hendrie, Oakley, Bell, Etuhu, Clapham are all very good players and there are others that are better than the league position suggests and they need to pull their weight more!

More to the point which I was trying to get at as well if you could read is that where is the proof that Warnock could have done ANY better here if he had been bringing in his own players!?! At Crystal Palace, he started out with a MUCH better squad than he would have here and therefore already had a leg up advantage in boosting his credentials and getting Palace to the play-offs... which they won't do BTW. Hull and Watford away... can't see it happening.

You need to try and stick to the topic in hand as stop diverting it so you can vent your Holloway hate posts as they aren't relevant at all to this thread which is dealing with the point of IF WARNOCK HAD JOINED US WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE AND BEFORE HOLLOWAY JOINED US!!!! Who's the muppet now eh? Ye twat.

You keep banging on about how good holloway his WHY is this club in the relagation shit, He has achieved 7 league wins from 28 games he has made poor signings his previous cv was not that brilliant but you keep saying he did ok at plymouth he got them up to 7th for f--ks sake whats 7th.Take the Ebanks-Blake deal to wolves holloway knew all about his clause in contract and what did he do he went and bought an old donkey for reportedly the same money from Derby.

His achievents at QPR/ Bristol Rovers [ who i think he got them relegated] were nothing special, Remember he was brought to leicester to take the club forward not backwards he seems a nice enough guy but he is like the court jester at the club.

I take it you are one of Warnock haters but love or hate him he could have possibly done what this pillock wont do and thats get us in the prem jordon has not gave Warnock the amount of dosh that your man has had leicester.Managers are judged on results and this mans results at best piss poor. And i am not diverting from the topic i knew when this topic came up you would be in.So stop talking like a 1st class Pr--k.

[Manwell Pablo]

Not appointing Colin was never about whether or not he'd be a good manager, it was about the fact that he once said we should be thrown out of the league for going into administration just because we pipped his Sheffield United to a automatic promotion place.

And I don't want a man who once campaigned against our club in charge of it. It's not a matter of him being a good football manager, it's a matter of principles and morals and I'd like to think even if we are shit we at least still have our pride.

[Ric Flair]

Not appointing Colin was never about whether or not he'd be a good manager, it was about the fact that he once said we should be thrown out of the league for going into administration just because we pipped his Sheffield United to a automatic promotion place.

And I don't want a man who once campaigned against our club in charge of it. It's not a matter of him being a good football manager, it's a matter of principles and morals and I'd like to think even if we are shit we at least still have our pride.

Spot on really.

[Thracian]

No proof to say he would of done better.

7 wins in 28

Have to go some with our squad to do worse

See Manwell's comment for the perfectly valid reason people didn't want him.

As for beating seven wins for 28. I'd have felt certain of doing that and would have backed that comment with any amount of money I could muster.

Many, many others could have done the same, I'd guess, because it would have been damned hard to have got a worse return assuming people's general co-operation. Especially as quite a few points were lost through bad tactics or bad decision making, not because we were getting battered by a better side.

[Manwell Pablo]

SWP and Lennon are good wingers who havent let their height effect their effectiveness so its not just about that but we have thrown quite a few youngsters into teh team and not many have stuck.

I dont want to keep regurgitating the same old argument we have but none of our younger lads have done well enough consistently to warrant a place. Stearman arguably has improved the most over the season as most wanted him punted out early, Mattock hasnt featured that much although by recent accounts is playing well, Weso? The rest? I can totally see the logic in bringing more experienced wingers like Bell, Laczko, Bori and Etuhu and sending the likes of Max on loan as in the long run we will benefit. Its no point using him like we have Levi or even Shush! if after a short while there confidence is shot and they rot in the reserves.

More experinced? Weso has more games in English football under his belt than Laczko Bori and Etuhu put togther, as does Mattock, I bet Gradel runs it close now.

[Daggers]

It's not a matter of him being a good football manager, it's a matter of principles and morals

I think it's a matter of stupidity to have knocked him back for that...but this is an old argument.

[Sniffer-Clarke]

I think it's a matter of stupidity to have knocked him back for that...but this is an old argument.

Spot on Bob!!!!!!!!!!!

[FilboFox]

You keep banging on about how good holloway his WHY is this club in the relagation shit, He has achieved 7 league wins from 28 games he has made poor signings his previous cv was not that brilliant but you keep saying he did ok at plymouth he got them up to 7th for f--ks sake whats 7th.Take the Ebanks-Blake deal to wolves holloway knew all about his clause in contract and what did he do he went and bought an old donkey for reportedly the same money from Derby.

His achievents at QPR/ Bristol Rovers [ who i think he got them relegated] were nothing special, Remember he was brought to leicester to take the club forward not backwards he seems a nice enough guy but he is like the court jester at the club.

I take it you are one of Warnock haters but love or hate him he could have possibly done what this pillock wont do and thats get us in the prem jordon has not gave Warnock the amount of dosh that your man has had leicester.Managers are judged on results and this mans results at best piss poor. And i am not diverting from the topic i knew when this topic came up you would be in.So stop talking like a 1st class Pr--k.

Holloway hasn't done well enough but you have to realise that every club he has been at since becoming a manager, he has always had a record where by he has had more wins than draws or loses and more draws than loses as well... thats not a bad record to have considering the teams he's been in charge of! 7th with Plymouth is a good position, if you can seriously say that getting Plymouth Argyle to 7th wasn't good then you clearly haven't a clue about football. As for the Ebanks-Blake deal, maybe he was looking to try and bring in a player that had different skills/qualities than him as we already have players up front with pace... granted, its not been a good deal and its a poor signing that he shouldn't have done but you can't say that Warnock or other managers haven't made similar mistakes over time.

As for Warnock, yes, I hate him... I think he's an absolute twat and never want to see him as our manager... ever. But once again, you CANNOT say that Warnock would have done any better than Ollie when we simply will never know. Yes, he's done better at Crystal Palace, but like I said before, he already started with a better squad that had better players and therefore better potential to reach the play-offs.

As for you coming into this thread "knowing I'd be in it", its VERY sad that you sit around waiting for the opportunity to start arguing with people and just shows how you actually aren't even trying to keep to the topic in hand and just want a fight. Possibly more annoying is that you keep talking about Ollie as "my man" when he is the man at the helm of OUR club therefore being OUR manager! Unless you don't support Leicester and then I don't know why you are even here...

And finally... 1st class ****? How exactly am I a 1st class ****? I realise that Ollie's results haven't been great but I never actually expected them to be be knowing what a poor club he came to when he first arrived. Yes, he could have done somewhat better and some of the signings could have been better too BUT I still think that given the summer to really sort out this team, he'll sort us out... he has already made some decent signings showing he knows what needs to be done.

Now seriously... try and stick to the topic which is about Warnock and stop insulting me simply because I support Ollie and hate Warnock as its verging on being somewhat childish now as no matter what I say, you try your damnedest to find something to criticise.

[Sniffer-Clarke]

Holloway hasn't done well enough but you have to realise that every club he has been at since becoming a manager, he has always had a record where by he has had more wins than draws or loses and more draws than loses as well... thats not a bad record to have considering the teams he's been in charge of! 7th with Plymouth is a good position, if you can seriously say that getting Plymouth Argyle to 7th wasn't good then you clearly haven't a clue about football. As for the Ebanks-Blake deal, maybe he was looking to try and bring in a player that had different skills/qualities than him as we already have players up front with pace... granted, its not been a good deal and its a poor signing that he shouldn't have done but you can't say that Warnock or other managers haven't made similar mistakes over time.

As for Warnock, yes, I hate him... I think he's an absolute twat and never want to see him as our manager... ever. But once again, you CANNOT say that Warnock would have done any better than Ollie when we simply will never know. Yes, he's done better at Crystal Palace, but like I said before, he already started with a better squad that had better players and therefore better potential to reach the play-offs.

As for you coming into this thread "knowing I'd be in it", its VERY sad that you sit around waiting for the opportunity to start arguing with people and just shows how you actually aren't even trying to keep to the topic in hand and just want a fight. Possibly more annoying is that you keep talking about Ollie as "my man" when he is the man at the helm of OUR club therefore being OUR manager! Unless you don't support Leicester and then I don't know why you are even here...

And finally... 1st class ****? How exactly am I a 1st class ****? I realise that Ollie's results haven't been great but I never actually expected them to be be knowing what a poor club he came to when he first arrived. Yes, he could have done somewhat better and some of the signings could have been better too BUT I still think that given the summer to really sort out this team, he'll sort us out... he has already made some decent signings showing he knows what needs to be done.

Now seriously... try and stick to the topic which is about Warnock and stop insulting me simply because I support Ollie and hate Warnock as its verging on being somewhat childish now as no matter what I say, you try your damnedest to find something to criticise.

PLease refer to your 1st reply to the topic about WARNOCK the first thing you started banging on about I WANT HOLLOWAY TO STAY. If you dont rate WARNOCK fair enough i dont rate HOLLOWAY i watched quite a few QPR games about 3 years ago i what i saw there is what i am seeing at city. But if there is a topic about WARNOCK dont start shouting from the roof tops I LOVE HOLLOWAY managers are judged on results end of story.I know WARNOCK is out spoken but i dont 2 f--ks about that he can get results he has a proven record which i am afraid your man does not possess.

[Manwell Pablo]

PLease refer to your 1st reply to the topic about WARNOCK the first thing you started banging on about I WANT HOLLOWAY TO STAY. If you dont rate WARNOCK fair enough i dont rate HOLLOWAY i watched quite a few QPR games about 3 years ago i what i saw there is what i am seeing at city. But if there is a topic about WARNOCK dont start shouting from the roof tops I LOVE HOLLOWAY managers are judged on results end of story.I know WARNOCK is out spoken but i dont 2 f--ks about that he can get results he has a proven record which i am afraid your man does not possess.

But he's previously said we should be thrown out of the football league without any consideration for the clubs long standing fans and history, all because he couldn't get Sheffield United up.

Warnock has burnt his bridges with this club.

[FilboFox]

PLease refer to your 1st reply to the topic about WARNOCK the first thing you started banging on about I WANT HOLLOWAY TO STAY. If you dont rate WARNOCK fair enough i dont rate HOLLOWAY i watched quite a few QPR games about 3 years ago i what i saw there is what i am seeing at city. But if there is a topic about WARNOCK dont start shouting from the roof tops I LOVE HOLLOWAY managers are judged on results end of story.I know WARNOCK is out spoken but i dont 2 f--ks about that he can get results he has a proven record which i am afraid your man does not possess.

Yes, I want Holloway to say... where in the last post I wrote did I say that I didn't? And what the hell are you on about for the rest of your post... the first post I wrote said NOTHING about Holloway and when did I start "shouting from the roof tops I LOVE HOLLOWAY"? I only started backing him after YOU started bringing him into the topic. From what I can remember, I said that I didn't want Warnock as our manager then, and don't want him now or in the future either!!!

And once again you try to bring the managers past records to light... well, lets review them shall we? From all of Neil Warnocks matches as a manager, his average win percentage is: 36.89%. From all of Ian Holloways matches as manager, his average win percentage is: 32.86%. Now I'm big enough to put this record in as it doesn't favour Holloway so far but it shows that overall, they are both very close.

And yes, so it comes back to the point that Holloway hasn't done enough here at Leicester so far, OK, I agree, his record here isn't good enough and there needs to be a serious improvements BUT I believe that given the summer to sort the team out properly, he'll be able to do it. I didn't expect miracles when he came in as I knew how poor the side was but I can't say that I expected this sort of outcome so yes, he hasn't done well enough. Then again, like I have said many times, what's to say that Warnock would have done better... all I was saying is that I wouldn't have wanted him as manager and YOU started bringing Holloway into it... so again, I ask you, stick to the topic or sod off as you aren't contributing anything to the topic that relates at all...

[FilboFox]

And to relate the win percentages to their performances as managers excluding their still ongoing managerial jobs at Leicester and Crystal Palace, here are their overall results:

Holloway without his record at Leicester: 35.18%

Warnock without his record at Crystal Palace: 36.36%

Its pretty close...

[Sniffer-Clarke]

And to relate the win percentages to their performances as managers excluding their still ongoing managerial jobs at Leicester and Crystal Palace, here are their overall results:

Holloway without his record at Leicester: 35.18%

Warnock without his record at Crystal Palace: 36.36%

Its pretty close...

Quote From Page 2 by YOU "" ID RATHER HAVE HOLLOWAY HAVE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, MONTH,YEAR , WHATEVER THAN WARNOCK.You aint got a f--king clue what your saying half the time.

P.S. Crystal Palace beat watford TODAY which takes warny into 6th spot which is the PLAY OFFS

[The Reverend]

Quote From Page 2 by YOU "" ID RATHER HAVE HOLLOWAY HAVE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, MONTH,YEAR , WHATEVER THAN WARNOCK.You aint got a f--king clue what your saying half the time.

P.S. Crystal Palace beat watford TODAY which takes warny into 6th spot which is the PLAY OFFS

Warnock's done **** all mate. He finally took Sheff Yoo to promotion a few years back....about 3 years after he should of done, with the squad he had. He's doing well at Palace, BUT the squad he has there is one that has been consistently challenging for the play offs for about the last 4 years until Peter Taylor took over. The squad he has, has had time to gel, and apart from this season has a relatively good, winning mentality.

The difference between the two jobs is that Holloway has had to get players in (good players, individually probably better than Palace's), get them gelling, and playing well together, in a very short space of time, which is extremely difficult. He HAS underachieved. Theres no doubt about that, and when he came here, i expected better, but with willy puller Warnock, the foundations have been laid for the last 3 years or more. They were somewhat knocked by Taylor, but he has got them running again. But in all honesty, all factors in mind, i dont see why Holloway would do a worse job there.

As for your comments about rubbishing Holloways achievement of getting the mighty Argyle into the play-offs Guess what he had there? A solid squad (not as good as Warnocks though individually) and a winning mentality (like Warnocks did, he just had to get it out of them again). This is also without any money (unlike Warnock).

I dont think Warnock would of done a better job here. In fact i dont think there's anyone out there that would.

[Legend_in_blue]

Warnock's done **** all mate. He finally took Sheff Yoo to promotion a few years back....about 3 years after he should of done, with the squad he had. He's doing well at Palace, BUT the squad he has there is one that has been consistently challenging for the play offs for about the last 4 years until Peter Taylor took over. The squad he has, has had time to gel, and apart from this season has a relatively good, winning mentality.

The difference between the two jobs is that Holloway has had to get players in (good players, individually probably better than Palace's), get them gelling, and playing well together, in a very short space of time, which is extremely difficult. He HAS underachieved. Theres no doubt about that, and when he came here, i expected better, but with willy puller Warnock, the foundations have been laid for the last 3 years or more. They were somewhat knocked by Taylor, but he has got them running again. But in all honesty, all factors in mind, i dont see why Holloway would do a worse job there.

As for your comments about rubbishing Holloways achievement of getting the mighty Argyle into the play-offs Guess what he had there? A solid squad (not as good as Warnocks though individually) and a winning mentality (like Warnocks did, he just had to get it out of them again). This is also without any money (unlike Warnock).

I dont think Warnock would of done a better job here. In fact i dont think there's anyone out there that would.

Agreed. Everybody should get off Holloway's back. It's not about him. It's about the players. They've underachieved. They can put it right this Saturday though.

MESSAGE TO ALL THE PLAYERS - WIN ON SATURDAY. WIN. WE ALL DESERVE IT.

You've done us well today. Same again next week please.

I'll be there.

Just bring it!!!

[FilboFox]

Quote From Page 2 by YOU "" ID RATHER HAVE HOLLOWAY HAVE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, MONTH,YEAR , WHATEVER THAN WARNOCK.You aint got a f--king clue what your saying half the time.

P.S. Crystal Palace beat watford TODAY which takes warny into 6th spot which is the PLAY OFFS

Ah yes... I apologize... I thought I'd already posted one before that simply saying I wouldn't have liked him. Clearly not. BUT that small matter doesn't detract away from the fact that YOU haven't a fecking clue what you are on about when you start arguing that Holloway isn't good enough... your arguments against him are sometimes poor and at other times, irrelevant, wrong or even completely made up!

I also find it quite annoying that you CONSTANTLY refer to Holloway as "my" manager... DO YOU SUPPORT LEICESTER OR NOT!?!! Clearly not otherwise you'd be behind him and OUR club!!!

Once again, piss off and go and find something else to argue about as you have lost this one completely and the fact that on recent form we are the 7th best team in the division only goes to show that Holloway is clearly doing something right!

Once again, I admit Leicester haven't always been good enough and Ollie hasn't always done well enough tactically or in the transfer market but when under such pressure and with a brand new squad, I'd have been amazed if he had been able to come in and sort us out without at least half a season to get to grips with the team.

And finally, I'd like to stop this argument now as I can't be bothered to continue writing such long posts and I have more pressing issues to think about such as Leicester's survival in this division and how OUR manager Ian Holloway is going to save us from the drop by beating Wednesday next Saturday!!!

[FilboFox]

Warnock's done **** all mate. He finally took Sheff Yoo to promotion a few years back....about 3 years after he should of done, with the squad he had. He's doing well at Palace, BUT the squad he has there is one that has been consistently challenging for the play offs for about the last 4 years until Peter Taylor took over. The squad he has, has had time to gel, and apart from this season has a relatively good, winning mentality.

The difference between the two jobs is that Holloway has had to get players in (good players, individually probably better than Palace's), get them gelling, and playing well together, in a very short space of time, which is extremely difficult. He HAS underachieved. Theres no doubt about that, and when he came here, i expected better, but with willy puller Warnock, the foundations have been laid for the last 3 years or more. They were somewhat knocked by Taylor, but he has got them running again. But in all honesty, all factors in mind, i dont see why Holloway would do a worse job there.

As for your comments about rubbishing Holloways achievement of getting the mighty Argyle into the play-offs Guess what he had there? A solid squad (not as good as Warnocks though individually) and a winning mentality (like Warnocks did, he just had to get it out of them again). This is also without any money (unlike Warnock).

I dont think Warnock would of done a better job here. In fact i dont think there's anyone out there that would.

:appl:

[FilboFox]

Agreed. Everybody should get off Holloway's back. It's not about him. It's about the players. They've underachieved. They can put it right this Saturday though.

MESSAGE TO ALL THE PLAYERS - WIN ON SATURDAY. WIN. WE ALL DESERVE IT.

You've done us well today. Same again next week please.

I'll be there.

Just bring it!!!

:appl:

I'm not the only one...