Salute the truckers

[Thracian]

You have a real skill Thracian as you have a captive audience here - in fact, a biased argument. You're preaching to the converted and yet you still manage to write an article which is so full of mis-information, cynicism and twaddle that a lot of people will just laugh it off as half-arsed hack output.

I especially liked the bit about the police as being suppressers of the people!!!! Protest and strike action in this country works and has NOT been harshly dealt with by the authorities. You're just anti-establishment in every way possible.

It's not just the police you berate - not so long ago all traffic wardens were worse than the Gestapo!!???

What next? Firemen are all kiddie-fiddlers? Doctors secretly kill to feast on their victims' eyes? Nurses are the undead with a score to settle?

Fu ck sake, you bitter old man.

Get some real problems.

Fly your Leftist flag by all means - you wouldn't want to see anything different even if it was struck by Holy fire.

As for traffic wardens they are just what I say and another uniformed weapon in the cynical squeezing of cash from the victim population, no more nor less than the post-mounted armies of speed cameras.

In Manchester I was even witness and victim of a cynical parking trap designed by the council to rake in more funds on top of it's already obscene levels of conveniently legalised theft. And very well it worked too. Big fly of the red flag, eh?

Free country? We're increasingly living in a great big open air restricted area with Big Brother watching us wipe our arses and Plod being forced to act as a buffer between victim and oppressor. And it's getting worse by the day not better.

I'm not bitter pal. I just don't feel like sitting back and letting arseholes take me for a mug - whether with your support or otherwise.

And unlike you I don't have political ideals to defend. I call it as I see and feel it.

[Tilley]

Our. County. Is. A. Shambles.

[Daggers]

In Manchester I was even witness and victim of a cynical parking trap designed by the council to rake in more funds on top of it's already obscene levels of conveniently legalised theft. And very well it worked too. Big fly of the red flag, eh?

There are simple laws governing parking fines though Thracian - it is quite clear where you are not allowed to park and for how long, if the council failed to abide by the law then you take them to court - simple.

Otherwise it was simply your fault for breaking the law.

I have zero sympathy for whingers moaning about parking.

[James.]

I just don't feel like sitting back and letting arseholes take me for a mug - whether with your support or otherwise.

If I actually believed that you spent your time campaigning for your beliefs instead of ranting on an internet forum then your comment above would hold more water. As it is, it's just more hot air.

What's the solution?

[Thracian]

There are simple laws governing parking fines though Thracian - it is quite clear where you are not allowed to park and for how long, if the council failed to abide by the law then you take them to court - simple.

Otherwise it was simply your fault for breaking the law.

I have zero sympathy for whingers moaning about parking.

My wife, who was with me at the time, is the most law-abiding the last person on earth and the very last one to moan about anything. But she was disguisted and you should have read the letter she sent to the Manchester council as a result.

You weren't there to see the situation and I'll certainly get nowhere trying to describe it to one with a such a pre-formed opinion.

However I don't have your faith in the impartiality of magistrates, the freemasonry being what it is.

Nor would I wish to be bothered labouring a legal case on the Manchester Council's home ground thanks very much. Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?

But it did seem like justice when the Rangers fans half wrecked the place a few days later - except that it's Joe Soap and not the councillors who'll be picking up the bill.

[Daggers]

My wife, who was with me at the time, is the most law-abiding the last person on earth and the very last one to moan about anything. But she was disguisted and you should have read the letter she sent to the Manchester council as a result.

You weren't there to see the situation and I'll certainly get nowhere trying to describe it to one with a such a pre-formed opinion.

However I don't have your faith in the impartiality of magistrates, the freemasonry being what it is.

Nor would I wish to be bothered labouring a legal case on the Manchester Council's home ground thanks very much. Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?

But it did seem like justice when the Rangers fans half wrecked the place a few days later - except that it's Joe Soap and not the councillors who'll be picking up the bill.

Sorry Thracian - but that is absolute bollocks.

The law is the law - you parked in the wrong place - you got a ticket. Live with it.

Just because your wife also thinks she can park wherever she likes doesn't mean she can...it just puts her in the same bracket as most of the country's car drivers. My wife included.

You have a case to appeal against it then appeal against it - arguing that some arcane system is structured against you in your parking ticket appeal having any success is simple nonsense.

...but you see that traffic warden - the way he gave you a ticket was just like Manchester United would have done it

[Thracian]

Sorry Thracian - but that is absolute bollocks.

The law is the law - you parked in the wrong place - you got a ticket. Live with it.

Just because your wife also thinks she can park wherever she likes doesn't mean she can...it just puts her in the same bracket as most of the country's car drivers. My wife included.

You have a case to appeal against it then appeal against it - arguing that some arcane system is structured against you in your parking ticket appeal having any success is simple nonsense.

...but you see that traffic warden - the way he gave you a ticket was just like Manchester United would have done it

My wife would never knowingly park illegally however much you might bluster to the contrary. And I have far better things to do than to sit in a court all day arguing about £35, which the council, doubtless, well knows.

I was accused of parking on a yellow line. There was no yellow line, nor the remains of one, nor had their ever been one. I don't therefore need magistrates to tell me whether there was a yellow line or not or whether the accusation was fair or not. The council even sent photographs which showed there was no line. They are that hypocritical.

And if you don't believe the justice systems can be corrupt you're more naive than I imagined. I won't give personal chapter and verse but I could and examples are presented almost daily.

[Hullfox]

My wife is the very last one to moan about anything.

Well bearing in mind the way we've treated the likes of Dodds, Sheehan and Gradel I find that somewhat hard to believe.

[Guest]

As for traffic wardens they are just what I say and another uniformed weapon in the cynical squeezing of cash from the victim population, no more nor less than the post-mounted armies of speed cameras.

How can breaking the law and being caught make you a victim?

[Thracian]

How can breaking the law and being caught make you a victim?

Depending on the amount and extent of laws you make everyone can become a victim. Doesn't mean the laws are wise or justified. The Jews in Nazi Germany became victims of new laws clearly enough. Would you have condemned mothers for sheltering their first born sons in Biblical times when the law said those sons should be slain?

Some laws are made for the common good, others are made for the advancement of ideological beliefs, some to enforce the authority of leaders and still more as an excuse for intollerance. I well understand your respect for the law but don't expect me to defend the motives of lawmakers or the enforcers of those laws.

[Daggers]

My wife would never knowingly park illegally however much you might bluster to the contrary. And I have far better things to do than to sit in a court all day arguing about £35, which the council, doubtless, well knows.

I was accused of parking on a yellow line. There was no yellow line, nor the remains of one, nor had their ever been one. I don't therefore need magistrates to tell me whether there was a yellow line or not or whether the accusation was fair or not. The council even sent photographs which showed there was no line. They are that hypocritical.

And if you don't believe the justice systems can be corrupt you're more naive than I imagined. I won't give personal chapter and verse but I could and examples are presented almost daily.

I am not blustering - you chose not to divulge the events leaving the reasonable assumption that you broke the law.

If you posses photographic evidence that there is no yellow line, taken by a third party, and chose not to contest the ticket then you are an idiot or have so much money that it must be irrelevant. Either way, you have nothing to gripe here about if you have chosen not to address it yourself to the only authority that matters.

It may interest you to knpow that you do not even have to go to Manchester, let alone the court, in order to contest this...but if you have made so little effort to find this out before now then I hardly feel disposed to spell it out to you...I'll just go back to sitting here in a naive fashion.

[Benji]

I'm confused...

did the truckers park on yellow lines? or did their wives?

[AoWW]

I'm confused...

did the truckers park on yellow lines? or did their wives?

Neither. Once again a thread has been successfully taken way off the original topic.

[Thracian]

I am not blustering - you chose not to divulge the events leaving the reasonable assumption that you broke the law.

If you posses photographic evidence that there is no yellow line, taken by a third party, and chose not to contest the ticket then you are an idiot or have so much money that it must be irrelevant. Either way, you have nothing to gripe here about if you have chosen not to address it yourself to the only authority that matters.

It may interest you to knpow that you do not even have to go to Manchester, let alone the court, in order to contest this...but if you have made so little effort to find this out before now then I hardly feel disposed to spell it out to you...I'll just go back to sitting here in a naive fashion.

Your presumptions are unusually wide of the mark tonight. It's not a question of being wealthy enough to ignore the fine.

How would I ever justify spending a full day and whatever it costs in fuel to argue the toss about £35? Principle? I don't need to establish in principle that I'm right. And proving it won't change the attitudes of Manchester City Council or local authorities in general who delight in their daily raiding of ordinary people's purses to the point that their servants are doubtless set targets.

I know that I am right without having some council sympathiser they call a magistrate rule as such. I've seen quite enough of the law in action thanks. Even when I've won.

[Daggers]

blah blah blah blah

*sigh*

It may interest you to know that you do not even have to go to Manchester, let alone the court, in order to contest this...but if you have made so little effort to find this out before now then I hardly feel disposed to spell it out to you...I'll just go back to sitting here in a naive fashion.

Try taking the idiot blinkers off and read. Then try doing some sensible research rather than pointless moaning.

I have absolutely nothing more to say to you on the matter.

[Thracian]

*sigh*

Try taking the idiot blinkers off and read. Then try doing some sensible research rather than pointless moaning.

I have absolutely nothing more to say to you on the matter.

I did read. And there would be considerable costs in terms of time and money wherever the case were heard. The issue has already been contested with the council (who reacted by supplying the lineless photos) and who are they to judge their own actions anyway?

The site below gives some indication of local authorities' war on motorists and willingness to use them as a ready source of added funds yet suggests that while grabbing their indirect tax off supposed offenders they are often themselves failing to follow the procedures laid down for themselves.

http://www.ticketbusters.co.uk/

The last time I appeared in court the hearing was walking distance from home. I won and was offered costs. They wouldn't cover a fraction of the days cost to me or of all the mental anquish and worry of the previous months.

I spat on the form and threw it in the bin.

[Benji]

I spat on the form and threw it in the bin.

Sick

[Hullfox]

For anyone just working their way through this thread, allow me to summarise:

Forget the plight of the truckers, there are more serious issues afoot as the following quotes from Thrac quite clearly illustrate.

- another uniformed weapon in the cynical squeezing of cash from the victim population

- obscene levels of conveniently legalised theft.

- I don't have your faith in the impartiality of magistrates, the freemasonry being what it is.

- And if you don't believe the justice systems can be corrupt you're more naive than I imagined

- The Jews in Nazi Germany became victims of new laws clearly enough. Would you have condemned mothers for sheltering their first born sons in Biblical times when the law said those sons should be slain?

- Some laws are made for the common good, others are made for the advancement of ideological beliefs, some to enforce the authority of leaders and still more as an excuse for intollerance. I well understand your respect for the law but don't expect me to defend the motives of lawmakers or the enforcers of those laws

Pray tell, what disaster has befallen our hero? What on earth could have hijacked the one thread showing support for the Haulage Industry which finds itself in danger of financial meltdown?

In short, Thrach got a parking ticket.

[Thracian]

For anyone just working their way through this thread, allow me to summarise:

Forget the plight of the truckers, there are more serious issues afoot as the following quotes from Thrac quite clearly illustrate.

Pray tell, what disaster has befallen our hero? What on earth could have hijacked the one thread showing support for the Haulage Industry which finds itself in danger of financial meltdown?

In short, Thrach got a parking ticket.

I think it was your good friend TPH who changed the subject and started referring to the ancient history of my comment on traffic wardens.

Must be the Swan Lestas reunion night.

[Maybes]

Up the tories I say

[Hullfox]

I think it was your good friend TPH who changed the subject and started referring to the ancient history of my comment on traffic wardens.

Must be the Swan Lestas reunion night.

Yeah

We've remained friends despite the bullying.

[Daggers]

307,000 hits in Google when searching for the words: "lorry", "driver" and "murderer".

I think that says it all.

[Thracian]

Yeah

We've remained friends despite the bullying.

Don't worry. He'll grow out of it.

[Thracian]

Up the tories I say

Up the truckies too.

[Flynny]

Taxes need to go up or spending needs to go down to adjust the rapidly spiraling debt that the country as a whole is in. On the other hand taxes going down would be quite handy as thats always useful to keep the economy ticking over without imploding. Reducing public spending at any fairly rapid rate would be disasterous, however much I might disagree with quite how much is spent.

Worst of all, the government's so weak that it can't do anything unpopular for fear of what the media and public are going to think.

In short we're in a bit of a pickle. Things are going to get worse for a bit and then probably somewhat better. No point fretting as I see it.