Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[flowwolf]

He obviously feels that right wing has gone 'far right' in this instance for some reason. Anyway, wasn't about you was it? You just waded in, hating.

Unusual.

Yes just like you are " wading " in now. It wasn't about you either but you felt the need for some reason.

[FoxesAreBlue]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4594443/robbie-middleton-names-attacker-in-death-bed-video.html

The bloke who did it deserves to be strung up by his balls!

One of the most horrific thing I have ever seen - words escape me here - ****ing unbelievable

[flowwolf]

Always amuses me when the far right pretend to be offended by being called racists. No doubt they believe racism is no big deal and too much is made of it. Then when you call them a racist for being racist they act all upset. This isn't aimed at any particular poster btw.

The float has not even bobbed , not biting on this one . :thumbup:

[Guest MattP]

He obviously feels that right wing has gone 'far right' in this instance for some reason. Anyway, wasn't about you was it? You just waded in, hating.

Unusual.

He was pissed off I retweeted a quote (which I found funny) calling a few Irish Republicans a few names a couple of a weeks ago (who had been insulting him first of course). To a lot of here "far-right" is nudging past the Lib Dems.

Why he waded into this thread to throw an insult in response to a story I was telling about a holiday this year I have no idea, something must still be irking him.

No bother anyway, like I've said, if he wants to come up and say hello anytime in the future I'd happily buy him a beer, I'd never judge anyone from what I read on the internet/twitter over what I met in real life.

Edited 17 October 2012 by MattP

[Guest MattP]

Always amuses me when the far right pretend to be offended by being called racists. No doubt they believe racism is no big deal and too much is made of it. Then when you call them a racist for being racist they act all upset. This isn't aimed at any particular poster btw.

I love it, it usually arrives when all political avenues to debate with you have been exhausted, don't think we hate it, we claim it as victory.

[Nick]

I love it, it usually arrives when all political avenues to debate with you have been exhausted, don't think we hate it, we claim it as victory.

So you are saying you have far right values?

[Guest MattP]

So you are saying you have far right values?

No, I don't believe any of my political views fall into the "far-right" category.

[flowwolf]

He obviously feels that right wing has gone 'far right' in this instance for some reason. Anyway, wasn't about you was it? You just waded in, hating.

Unusual.

Nick could I just draw you attention to the title of this thread. Read it ? right then what exactly were you expecting from the title " Absolute cvnts of our time " Love and peace and the life and times of Mother Theresa ?

[Nick]

Well it was obvious you were going to be in it, didn't realise you'd be a topic in your own right though and not just a contributor.

[Nick]

No, I don't believe any of my political views fall into the "far-right" category.

So you don't support the views and values of say the BNP or EDL?

[Guest MattP]

So you don't support the views and values of say the BNP or EDL?

BNP no chance, though I'm still not completely convinced it's not an organisation that has police/government involved in it to keep tabs on the far-right.

EDL was interesting at first I thought when it was set up to counter protest against the hate of Hamza and his buddies in Luton, however as soon as all the yobbo, knuckledraggers etc got involved and they started parading themselves through town centres attacking everything and smashing places up they lost anything they had or could of had.

I was in Manchester a couple of years ago when the morons from them and the Anti Fascist lot or whatever they are called were going at it and it was embarrassing, two groups of grown adults on a Saturday afternoon shouting and pushing through Police Lines to try and get at each other.

Cringeworthy spectacle of the Human Race and costing the taxpayer a fcuking fortune.

Edited 17 October 2012 by MattP

[Nick]

I'd say that finding the EDL 'interesting' would put you pretty far to the right Matt.

[Guest MattP]

I'd say that finding the EDL 'interesting' would put you pretty far to the right Matt.

Really? For a small time when the group first started up and no one really knew what it was or what it represented? Even though now I see it as a bunch of complete violent racist scumbags after having seen it???

I was once interested in the Lib Dems when I did my A Levels, I don't like them anymore either but I don't think it "puts me pretty much to the far left"..... does it?

Edited 17 October 2012 by MattP

[ADK]

The Lib Dems are meant to be centrist not far-left...

[Guest MattP]

The Lib Dems are meant to be centrist not far-left...

I was interested in the extremists in the party.

Edited 17 October 2012 by MattP

[flowwolf]

Well it was obvious you were going to be in it, didn't realise you'd be a topic in your own right though and not just a contributor.

Where is Webbo when you need him ? I call someone an anus and you call me an absolute cvnt. Oh the irony of it all. Tell you what though I take it back about your humour bypass, that remark was subtle well worked out and very funny. :D :D Now you are being a man well done! :thumbup:

Edited 18 October 2012 by flowwolf

[Guest MattP]

Where is Webbo when you need him ? I call someone an anus and you call me an absolute cvnt. Oh the irony of it all. Tell you what though I take it back about your humour bypass, that remark was subtle well worked out and very funny. :D :D Now you are being a man well done! :thumbup:

If you think that's ironic you want to be called "far right" for the rest of your life based on a curiosity you had in your early twenties by the same people who consistently tell us how rehabiliatation is the most important thing for criminals and how everyone from murderers to sex offenders deserve a second chance.

You couldn't make it up.

[flowwolf]

If you think that's ironic you want to be called "far right" for the rest of your life based on a curiosity you had in your early twenties by the same people who consistently tell us how rehabiliatation is the most important thing for criminals and how everyone from murderers to sex offenders deserve a second chance.

You couldn't make it up.

Agreed. And what is their response to being labeled " far left " many of the far left were and still are by nature Communist supporters and we all now know what Stalin stood for and did to his own people. Ah they cry you can't associate me with Stalin he was evil and did not represent the left wing , but then go on quite happily to label anyone with right wing views a Hitler/ Nazi / fascists supporter.

Of course it won't be long before the Guardian runs a week long campaign to help the misguided abusers of Jimmy Saviles good name and charity works to come to terms that his childhood made him what he was. And in fact it was his right wing upbringing that made him what he was, and we should not judge lest we be judged ourselves.

And so it goes on the left wing manipulation and brain washing whereby anyone who dares to think other than the sheep like mantra they adopted and pushed out as political correct way of thinking must be stamped on and booed and hissed and made to feel like a racist.

In my opinion anyone who can find some kind of mitigation for the low life who robbed that lady pensioner and said to the judge after being given a jail sentence " I only stole £25.00 ? " should have it happen to them.

Edited 18 October 2012 by flowwolf

[flowwolf]

So you are saying you have far right values?

So are you saying you have far left values ?

[Nick]

If you think that's ironic you want to be called "far right" for the rest of your life based on a curiosity you had in your early twenties by the same people who consistently tell us how rehabiliatation is the most important thing for criminals and how everyone from murderers to sex offenders deserve a second chance.

You couldn't make it up.

Firstly, I suggested that interest in such a movement might place your views pretty far to the right. (Which is a far cry from extremism but not too many steps away from a far right perspective on some matters) Whilst I appreciate you now have an alternative opinion on the people within that demographic, I do wonder what values drew you to such a group and if you have reflectively challenged those values as you have the group itself.

It's difficult Matt, because whilst you present as an open man with 'nothing to hide' you freely discuss your hard line zero tolerance opinions in regard to issues around say 'theft' and 'sex offending'. Yet in other threads you advocate that you have paid hundreds of dollars for to have sex with young 18 year old girls who look like Britney Spears in Vegas - which to some may demonstrate little understanding at worst of sex offending, the sex trade or at the very least the plight of vulnerable young women and also admitting to going to watch your football club without paying for an adult ticket and going in on a young persons ticket, thus defrauding the football club - which are both value based lifestyle choices which one could argue are matters of integrity shielded by a cultural bubble that has the word LAD written on it.

Re-tweeting a joke about Irish Republicans that you found funny, is likely to bring you challenge from that area of human geography who may find such remarks offensive or at the least distasteful and I do not know if you did not consider this or simply did not care. Whilst being a nice guy that 'would have a drink with anyone and not judge by an internet persona' (which is interesting you feel is different to 'the real somebody') does not necessarily defend what might be described as a somewhat hedonistic value base.

I don't doubt though that you are a good person with good motives, your lifestyle choices to some though will be alien and may not be received in the context you had hoped.

I do not intend to offend or judge - I'm just trying to illustrate why I think we might have arrived at this juncture.

And Canis Lupus Bardus, if you could just 'wind your neck in' for a bit, that'd be great. I'll address worthwhile comment as an individual but am unable to concern myself with being placed in your 'liberal left wing boiling pot' which somehow attributes and merges all views from all people you consider 'left' in some way and the entire group served up on the same plate and somehow asked to take responsibility for the views of strangers. It's tiring.

[flowwolf]

Firstly, I suggested that interest in such a movement might place your views pretty far to the right. (Which is a far cry from extremism but not too many steps away from a far right perspective on some matters) Whilst I appreciate you now have an alternative opinion on the people within that demographic, I do wonder what values drew you to such a group and if you have reflectively challenged those values as you have the group itself.

It's difficult Matt, because whilst you present as an open man with 'nothing to hide' you freely discuss your hard line zero tolerance opinions in regard to issues around say 'theft' and 'sex offending'. Yet in other threads you advocate that you have paid hundreds of dollars for to have sex with young 18 year old girls who look like Britney Spears in Vegas - which to some may demonstrate little understanding at worst of sex offending, the sex trade or at the very least the plight of vulnerable young women and also admitting to going to watch your football club without paying for an adult ticket and going in on a young persons ticket, thus defrauding the football club - which are both value based lifestyle choices which one could argue are matters of integrity shielded by a cultural bubble that has the word LAD written on it.

Re-tweeting a joke about Irish Republicans that you found funny, is likely to bring you challenge from that area of human geography who may find such remarks offensive or at the least distasteful and I do not know if you did not consider this or simply did not care. Whilst being a nice guy that 'would have a drink with anyone and not judge by an internet persona' (which is interesting you feel is different to 'the real somebody') does not necessarily defend what might be described as a somewhat hedonistic value base.

I don't doubt though that you are a good person with good motives, your lifestyle choices to some though will be alien and may not be received in the context you had hoped.

I do not intend to offend or judge - I'm just trying to illustrate why I think we might have arrived at this juncture.

And Canis Lupus Bardus, if you could just 'wind your neck in' for a bit, that'd be great. I'll address worthwhile comment as an individual but am unable to concern myself with being placed in your 'liberal left wing boiling pot' which somehow attributes and merges all views from all people you consider 'left' in some way and the entire group served up on the same plate and somehow asked to take responsibility for the views of strangers. It's tiring.

:D :D :D :clap: and then you go and ask someone if they have far right values ? now that's tiring.

Edited 18 October 2012 by flowwolf

[Guest Col city fan]

The last few pages of this thread, for a thicko like me, epitomises what is wrong about British Politics, or at least, people's views on British Politics.

Why do people have to be labelled as a 'loony left or' or a 'right-winger'?

Surely the majority of people have a bit of both in their make-up?

For instance, I've always voted Labour, but on some issues, such as crime, I'd build more prisons and wouldn't have some of them akin to bed and breakfasts.

I'm passionate about 'Care in the Community' but also think that the level of welfare benefits under Labour became completely ridiculous.

I agree with raising the income tax threshold but strongly disagree with targeting the elderly disabled in terms of benefit reductions.

Does this make me right wing or left wing? Well I'd say neither. I'm just a bloke who tends to agree with certain policies and disagree with others.

Who really lives their lives according to some rigid doctrine? And who goes through life without changing their minds on issues they deem important?

Very few I would suspect.

This is why I hold my head up to the likes of Mandela and even Maggie Thatch. Having the courage to pursue an ideology and the strength to see it through deserves credit simply for being so clear of vision. Most of us I genuinely don't believe are like that.

[Webbo]

Nothing quite like a forum moderator 'plus 1'ing' personal abuse.

Sure you are in the right job Webbo?

When someone picks an unnecessary fight and then ends up coming off worse then I sometimes +1 the response to discourage further stupidity. That and when people abuse you.

[sphericalfox]

When someone picks an unnecessary fight and then ends up coming off worse then I sometimes +1 the response to discourage further stupidity. That and when people abuse you.

Should I be +1 this then? It's a pretty poor excuse to your behaviour indeed.

I'm not sure exactly what might consist of instigating a fight or partaking in one either from your point if view, but I have done neither from mine.

However I don't expect moderators to opinionless and having seen some of your own posts we all know what pulpit you sing from.

[Webbo]

Should I be +1 this then? It's a pretty poor excuse to your behaviour indeed.

I'm not sure exactly what might consist of instigating a fight or partaking in one either from your point if view, but I have done neither from mine.

However I don't expect moderators to opinionless and having seen some of your own posts we all know what pulpit you sing from.

I don't need to excuse my behaviour and neither do you. How people respond to that behaviour is up to them.