Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[The Year Of The Fox]

Do you see Nick Griffin as British?

After all he adheres to an ideology that threatened British independence and freedom 60 years ago and denied the Holocaust ever happened.

I'm not a Griffin fan first of all. But I've never seen a quote or video clip of him saying this. Would he be British staining the graves of war vets by saying this? Not IMO

[Finnegan]

Obviously Griffin is not a member of the 1930's German National Social Party but the word 'Nazi' these days is quite obviously synonymous with fascism and Griffin is a fascist, self confessed or otherwise.

[Webbo]

I'm sure I've read or heard somewhere where Nick Griffins described himself as a National Socialist.

[Guest Bilo]

He made a comment as a young man, I'm pretty sure he doesn't hold the same opinions now.

He wasn't an unwashed student activist when he was saying these things, he was filmed on the Cook Report denying the Holocaust had happened in any way, shape or form in his late 30s.

[sphericalfox]

Ah imagery a strong weapon almost always used by a weak mind. You seem to do a lot of this because you feel the need to back up you weak arguments with P.C skills . At least have the bollocks to put over your point without stooping to this crap after all Goebbels would have been proud of you. Now who is the imbecile ?

Stop stealing acooling's quota.

I could argue til blue in the face with an imbecile like acooling but it won't change a thing. Just because you have zero imagination (and clearly and inferior complex over my capability of using the internet/computer), won't stop me posting exactly in what fashion I choose, the fact that I can argue a point doesn't mean I have to.

[Guest MattP]

He wasn't an unwashed student activist when he was saying these things, he was filmed on the Cook Report denying the Holocaust had happened in any way, shape or form in his late 30s.

That's not how I remember it.

I remember something along the lines of he didn't believe it was 6million people but I don't think he denied a serious number of people peished in it.

I could be wrong mind.

Edited 10 October 2012 by MattP

[Orkneyfox]

From the horses mouth:

6 million down to "a couple of thousand shot"!!

Edited 10 October 2012 by Orkneyfox

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm sure I've read or heard somewhere where Nick Griffins described himself as a National Socialist.

Doesn't Nick Griffin choose his political/philosophical/ideological title/stance as his mood takes him?

I doubt Griffin and the BNP truly have much of a clue what they stand for.

[Finnegan]

Nick Griffin has stood in court and denied the holocaust under oath. It's on record, there's no defending it.

[I am Rod Hull]

Doesn't Nick Griffin choose his political/philosophical/ideological title/stance as his mood takes him?

I doubt Griffin and the BNP truly have much of a clue what they stand for.

The same could be said for all political parties.

[Zingari]

Nick Griffin has stood in court and denied the holocaust under oath. It's on record, there's no defending it.

What difference does it make if individuals believe or disbelieve whatever they choose .

i've never understood why anyone makes such a big issue of this stuff .

[absolutelegend]

Absolute cvnt of my time? easiest question ever. Tony Blair

[Guest Bilo]

So where do we deport Griffin to then?

[Guest MattP]

So where do we deport Griffin to then?

Already taken care of, he's in Wales.

[davieG]

So where do we deport Griffin to then?

May depend on what type of field his mum dropped him in.

[Guest Col city fan]

The same could be said for all political parties.

I guess you're right. That's a major way in which politics has changed. The left used to be left (Bevan, Beveridge etc), the right used to be right (Adam Smith, Mrs Thatch).

Now it's hard to get a fag paper between them.

Marx had it right. The embourgoisiement of the proletariat and all that.

Edited 10 October 2012 by Col city fan

[I am Rod Hull]

I guess you're right. That's a major way in which politics has changed. The left used to be left (Bevyn, Beveridge etc), the right used to be right (Adam Smith, Mrs Thatch).

Now it's hard to get a fag paper between them.

Marx had it right. The embourgoisiement of the proletariat and all that.

I`v got to give you +1 for that word.

[Guest Col city fan]

I`v got to give you +1 for that word.

Essentially making the 'working class' believe they are 'middle class', so as to avoid any uprising and overthrowing of the state. As Marx and Weber would have seen it anyway.

With this comes a lack of political polarisation. Eg Coal Miners gradually stop voting labour when they stop going 'down't pit' and start working in clerical jobs.

Edited 10 October 2012 by Col city fan

[Guest MattP]

What difference does it make if individuals believe or disbelieve whatever they choose .

i've never understood why anyone makes such a big issue of this stuff .

That's the way people are these days, they will happily judge others on political views, clothes, what they do, where they go, incredible really. Some would even judge someone by what they say on the Internet having never met them.

I actually know people whose friendships have broken up because of political opinions, absolutely staggering when you think about it. I'd lose more than half my best friends if I couldn't stand their politics.

Edited 10 October 2012 by MattP

[Guest Bilo]

That's the way people are these days, they will happily judge others on political views, clothes, what they do, where they go, incredible really. Some would even judge someone by what they say on the Internet having never met them.

I actually know people whose friendships have broken up because of political opinions, absolutely staggering when you think about it. I'd lose more than half my best friends if I couldn't stand their politics.

I brought the point up because acooling was stating that the views of Islamic extremists should see them slung out of the country. Anyone with an ounce of sense would see Islamic extremism as an odious ideology, but surely we can place fascism and Holocaust ideology into the same category?

[Zingari]

That's the way people are these days, they will happily judge others on political views, clothes, what they do, where they go, incredible really. Some would even judge someone by what they say on the Internet having never met them.

I actually know people whose friendships have broken up because of political opinions, absolutely staggering when you think about it. I'd lose more than half my best friends if I couldn't stand their politics.

Quite so Matt

If everyone believed everything governments/rulers told us just because they say so, it would be going back to a " stone the non believers " mentality .

[Webbo]

Tbh I try to avoid the political debates these days (although sometimes can't help myself ) because of the ridiculous over reaction you get when you stray from the received wisdom.

Edited 10 October 2012 by Webbo

[Guest MattP]

I brought the point up because acooling was stating that the views of Islamic extremists should see them slung out of the country. Anyone with an ounce of sense would see Islamic extremism as an odious ideology, but surely we can place fascism and Holocaust ideology into the same category?

No I wouldn't put someone who denied the Holocaust in with someone who blows up a plane full of people.

Whilst misguided and downright stupid it's not on the same level imo.

Tbh I try to avoid the political debates these days (although sometimes can't help myself ) because of the ridiculous over reaction you get when you stray from the received wisdom.

[Guest Bilo]

No I wouldn't put someone who denied the Holocaust in with someone who blows up a plane full of people.

Whilst misguided and downright stupid it's not on the same level imo.

Again, these aren't people who have blown up a plane load of people. They might advocate and support it but that's about it. People who actually commit such acts are often deported or imprisoned, but supporting them via the media should largely be ignored. Celebrating the murder of 3,000 people on 9/11 and denying that six million Jews were murdered in Nazi death camps to further your political views are both equally vile in my opinion.

I don't see how you can advocate chucking someone out of the country for what they believe, however idiotic or vile their beliefs are. Do you really think a clown like Anjem Choudary could organise a mass movement without the oxygen of publicity? Christ, he can't get more than 20 people in one place with the entire right-wing media focusing on him.

[Zingari]

I think it's known that I don't believe the official stories of either JFK , 911 or 7/7 and sometimes when I hear stuff like "Griffin is a holocaust denier" coupled with some sort of witch hunt against them I get a little uneasy .

He's probably wrong ( as maybe I am), but that's his right ( or should be) as it is for all of us .

It's never wrong to question authority about anything however outragious or unlikely .

If what they say is true, it should easily stand up to the cold light of scutiny,

Why the need to demonize anyone with alternative viewpoints or beliefs only raises suspicion