Terry's Red Card vs Man City (and then not)

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Wondered what people thought surrounding the initial red card, and then the decision to recind it.

Personally one of my biggest gripes about the professional foul rule is how it is now interpeted. The term professional foul is surely refering to the attempt to foul for your own teams advanatage.

In the case of John Terry, he made that foul in the knowledge that had the player gone past him, he was away - so figured it was better to foul him there and pick up a yellow rather than track him - NOW I AGREE TOTALLY WITH THE RED CARD.

The foul was clearly sinical - some might say there was a covering defender, but clearly Terry either didn't have much faith in him or wasn't aware he was there, and his actions were for the pure reason to stop the oposition player from having a run on goal.

The proffesional foul's got worse in recent years, with players knowing the closer they do it to the half way line, the less threatening it is to defend and the more likely it is that they will get away with a yellow card.

So in my mind the crtieria for issuing a red card for a professional foul for a red card should be changed to 'a foul that is commited against the oposition where no or little attempt for the ball is amde with the sole purpose of disrupting an attack.

This would also mean that the defender who attempts to get the ball in the box but slightly mis-times his tackle would not be punished with a red card and a penalty against him, just the penalty.

True, the change would also bring disputes with it - but I think it would be far better for attacking football to change it. Rant over (for now) comments please.

[Durnerz]

I want to see games 11 vs 11, therefore I would want the 'last man' rule to stand, in Terrys case he wasnt the last man and the referee got it wrong, if we went sending players off for the kind of tackle Terry went and did we would be down to 5-a-side in some games going by Millwall last week!

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I want to see games 11 vs 11, therefore I would want the 'last man' rule to stand, in Terrys case he wasnt the last man and the referee got it wrong, if we went sending players off for the kind of tackle Terry went and did we would be down to 5-a-side in some games going by Millwall last week!

OR - we'd have less players that are cheating bastards! The other thing about Terry getting off - wonder if it has anything to do with him being England Captain?

[Durnerz]

OR - we'd have less players that are cheating bastards! The other thing about Terry getting off - wonder if it has anything to do with him being England Captain?

Its about a referee making a mistake. If Terry had committed that foul without Ricardo Carvalho being where he was then yes its a straight red. Nothing to do with his status in the national side in my opinion.

[DB11]

Well the red card was for Serious Foul Play, of which there was none so the red card cannot be agreed with.

However, had Mark Halsey put the red card through for DOGSO then there may have been a higher chance of it being upheld. People say that Carvalho was covering, but if you look at it then he would not have gotten to the ball and Jo would have got past him before he could get back. Still, there was not an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, with the key word being highlighted.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Well the red card was for Serious Foul Play, of which there was none so the red card cannot be agreed with.

However, had Mark Halsey put the red card through for DOGSO then there may have been a higher chance of it being upheld. People say that Carvalho was covering, but if you look at it then he would not have gotten to the ball and Jo would have got past him before he could get back. Still, there was not an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, with the key word being highlighted.

So DB - what i'm really saying is that the way the law is interperated at the moment takes away from the notion of the professional foul - how many times do you see a team breaking when someone is sincially chopped on the half way line - for only a booking. My main argument is that Mark Halsey saw a blattent cheating attempt and decided to punish it accordingly - sadly the rules don't catter for that accoring to the FA, so this blatent cheating will be allowed to continue.

[DB11]

So DB - what i'm really saying is that the way the law is interperated at the moment takes away from the notion of the professional foul - how many times do you see a team breaking when someone is sincially chopped on the half way line - for only a booking. My main argument is that Mark Halsey saw a blattent cheating attempt and decided to punish it accordingly - sadly the rules don't catter for that accoring to the FA, so this blatent cheating will be allowed to continue.

The term professional foul is not in the Laws of the Game anymore.

[Corky]

It was a red-card, he made no attempt to play the ball and basically cheated his opponent out of a chance to carry on his run.

This type of foul is something I wanted stamped out, it's not right.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

The term professional foul is not in the Laws of the Game anymore.

The term may no longer be in the laws - but the 'red card offense for denying an obvious goal scoring opportuinty' was derived from that term.

[Ultra]

OR - we'd have less players that are cheating bastards! The other thing about Terry getting off - wonder if it has anything to do with him being England Captain?

Wouldn't be the first time. Remember the incident with Alan Shearer at Filbo one year?

He was guilty as hell, yet somehow got let off by the FA.

[Uncle Albert]

I am glad that the red card has been scrapped. Sent off for being the last man, but wasnt the last man so the right desicion. What a stupid comment, 'because he is the England captain?' No that has got nothing to do with at all. About time the FA has shown some common sense and scrapped a jubious red card.

Hope Terry has a stormer tomorrow and bags a goal. That will piss Ferguson off.

[DB11]

Btw...... there has to be some sort of bias because red cards should only be overturned if the club can prove that the player shouldn't even have received a yellow card...

[sdb]

it was a tough decision to call but it's the FA's inconsitancies that piss me off. David Moyes (as much as i hate him) gets his touchline ban upheld despite making a totally valid complaint, whilst Chelsea/terry get a red card recinded for a rugby tackle on a quick strong forward closing in on goal. the FA can be so spinless and i hate repetative moaning but it's true

[Samilktray]

Rugby tackle.

Hardly surprising the appeal was succesful when you look at who it is.

[Tommeh]

I touhht it merited a red, totally unprofessional and no attempt to play the ball. Disappointed that it's been rescinded and would the same have happened had it been Eboue comitting the foul? I doubt it.

[Uncle Albert]

I touhht it merited a red, totally unprofessional and no attempt to play the ball. Disappointed that it's been rescinded and would the same have happened had it been Eboue comitting the foul? I doubt it.

Mate if you said Barton then you may have hit the nail on the head.

But you can see why it has been rescinded surely? The referee came out and said after the game that Terry was sent off because the referee believed Terry to be the last man but he wasnt because Carvalho was there.

Justice has been served.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Mate if you said Barton then you may have hit the nail on the head.

But you can see why it has been rescinded surely? The referee came out and said after the game that Terry was sent off because the referee believed Terry to be the last man but he wasnt because Carvalho was there.

Justice has been served.

I thought he said exactly the opposite - he stated that it wasn't for 'being the last man' but for serious foul play.

[Uncle Albert]

I thought he said exactly the opposite - he stated that it wasn't for 'being the last man' but for serious foul play.

Not what Chris Kamara quoted on Goals on Sunday last week.

[Brainy]

Not what Chris Kamara quoted on Goals on Sunday last week.

Hammond (ankle) is probably right then.

[Fox You Forest]

It wasn't a red at the time in my opinion but if the rule states that it has to be a tackle that wasn't worthy of a yellow to be rescinded the it shouldn't have been. Was clearly a yellow card.

I thought the last man rule got scrapped?

[lildave3]

Never a red card, rightly rescinded.

[DB11]

It wasn't a red at the time in my opinion but if the rule states that it has to be a tackle that wasn't worthy of a yellow to be rescinded the it shouldn't have been. Was clearly a yellow card.

I thought the last man rule got scrapped?

It's called 'Denying an Obvious Goal-Scoring Opportunity' so you don't have to be the last man.