Phube Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 With Unison and other major unions getting their collective knickers in a twist this summer about Public sector payrises not being in line with RPI inflation. With the very real prospect of DEflation next year... Will the Unions demand a Pay Cut for Public Sector workers? I for one seriously doubt it!
Phube Posted 21 November 2008 Author Posted 21 November 2008 Inconclusive Phubescent tennager But you anway... Where are you these days in LiveChat!!?
Daggers Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 With Unison and other major unions getting their collective knickers in a twist this summer about Public sector payrises not being in line with RPI inflation.With the very real prospect of DEflation next year... Will the Unions demand a Pay Cut for Public Sector workers? I for one seriously doubt it! I have little time for the militancy of Unions, but that post makes little sense Phube. Unions are responsible for campaigning on behalf of their members in order to improve their working conditions. That's their remit.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 But you anway... Where are you these days in LiveChat!!? Normally drunk and asleep i miss you Phubey say hi too your missus for me and i love you mate in a none gay sort of matey wat
Dr The Singh Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 Well we won't be getting a pay rise this year, even though our profits are the same as last year, unfortunately our site is not affiliated with any union!!
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 Well we won't be getting a pay rise this year, even though our profits are the same as last year, unfortunately our site is not affiliated with any union!! What do you do for a crust doc, i always thought you were and amatuer gynocholigst and a part time casanova
Daggers Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 I think the ATL are quite OK - better than those militant tits in the NUT. Being in a union in my job is essential because they'll stump up for the legal fees for any situation and I'm even covered if anything of mine gets damaged on school premises. Sweet.
Dr The Singh Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 What do you do for a crust doc, i always thought you were and amatuer gyneocholigst and a part time casanova That bit is true, but Casanova............not!! I've been trying to bone a bird of Foxestalk for ages, with no luck!! there either with someone, fancy someone else of Foxestalk or just to damn stupid to see how good a catch the Doc really is!!!!
Phube Posted 21 November 2008 Author Posted 21 November 2008 I have little time for the militancy of Unions, but that post makes little sense Phube.Unions are responsible for campaigning on behalf of their members in order to improve their working conditions. That's their remit. But if they believe we should get pay rises in line with Inflation... and we have negative inflation, then surely we should get pay cuts! Otherwise they are changing their policy! I think the ATL are quite OK - better than those militant tits in the NUT. Being in a union in my job is essential because they'll stump up for the legal fees for any situation and I'm even covered if anything of mine gets damaged on school premises. Sweet. Well you could say the same about me, as I give injections to patients and scan children/vunerable adults... but I still don't join on principle!
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 That bit is true, but Casanova............not!! I've been trying to bone a bird of Foxestalk for ages, with no luck!! there either with someone, fancy someone else of Foxestalk or just to damn stupid to see how good a catch the Doc really is!!!! Jus tell them you look like Manga Mithapuriya and bang all over you like a rash
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 But if they believe we should get pay rises in line with Inflation... and we have negative inflation, then surely we should get pay cuts! Otherwise they are changing their policy! I got a payrise last week, it was what i was expecting but my manager pushed for more off head office for me as he is a chmap but they said because of the finacial crisis we can't offer anymore of a payrise. Now if the finacial crisis was that effecting them that much why give me a pay rise at all fools.
Daggers Posted 21 November 2008 Posted 21 November 2008 But if they believe we should get pay rises in line with Inflation... and we have negative inflation, then surely we should get pay cuts! Otherwise they are changing their policy! Phube - are you playing at stupid this afternoon? The remit of a union is to act in the best interests of its membership - your original statement makes no sense in relation to this as it is not their job to campaign for a reduction in salaries. They aren't "changing their policy" - whatever this may mean - because their policy is (and I may have mentioned this twice now) to benefit the paying membership. Your original statement, and now the one quoted here, makes no sense. Well you could say the same about me, as I give injections to patients and scan children/vunerable adults... but I still don't join on principle! Teachers require legal protection as incident rates of malicious allegations from parents and students are quite high. If you worked in my profession your "principles" would leave you pretty well fucked.
Phube Posted 22 November 2008 Author Posted 22 November 2008 Phube - are you playing at stupid this afternoon? The remit of a union is to act in the best interests of its membership - your original statement makes no sense in relation to this as it is not their job to campaign for a reduction in salaries.They aren't "changing their policy" - whatever this may mean - because their policy is (and I may have mentioned this twice now) to benefit the paying membership. Your original statement, and now the one quoted here, makes no sense. So what your saying is, that no matter what bumf Unison puts out telling us we should all be paid in line with (RPI) inflation, this is not a policy... just random figure grabbing!! No wonder I hate unions!
James. Posted 22 November 2008 Posted 22 November 2008 So what your saying is, that no matter what bumf Unison puts out telling us we should all be paid in line with (RPI) inflation, this is not a policy... just random figure grabbing!! No wonder I hate unions! Paid in line with INflation. If you want to get into semantics then you could say they ARE following their policy as INflation is different to DEflation. Why I'm stooping down to your level I don't know.
AoWW Posted 22 November 2008 Posted 22 November 2008 I think the ATL are quite OK - better than those militant tits in the NUT. Being in a union in my job is essential because they'll stump up for the legal fees for any situation and I'm even covered if anything of mine gets damaged on school premises. Sweet. ^^^^^^^ Erm, yeah, what he said. (Despite it being potentially deeply uncool to agree with Daggers over anything.) That bit is true, but Casanova............not!! I've been trying to bone a bird of Foxestalk for ages, with no luck!! there either with someone, fancy someone else of Foxestalk or just to damn stupid to see how good a catch the Doc really is!!!! Oooohhh, you make it sound so romantic. Can't understand why you haven't had any luck.
Daggers Posted 22 November 2008 Posted 22 November 2008 So what your saying is, that no matter what bumf Unison puts out telling us we should all be paid in line with (RPI) inflation, this is not a policy... just random figure grabbing!! No wonder I hate unions! No - that is what you are saying for some obscure reason. I am simply pointing out the fundamental flaw in your initial post rendering it nonsensical.
Phube Posted 22 November 2008 Author Posted 22 November 2008 Paid in line with INflation.If you want to get into semantics then you could say they ARE following their policy as INflation is different to DEflation. Why I'm stooping down to your level I don't know. If you want to get into semantics; deflation is inflation.... Negative inflation!!! Just like negative acceleration has a name too, deceleration! Oh and Daggers... it was their policy in all the literature displayed around my hospital! If not at a National level!
James. Posted 22 November 2008 Posted 22 November 2008 If you want to get into semantics; deflation is inflation.... Negative inflation!!!Just like negative acceleration has a name too, deceleration! Oh dear.
Daggers Posted 22 November 2008 Posted 22 November 2008 Oh and Daggers... it was their policy in all the literature displayed around my hospital! If not at a National level! What we campaign onUNISON campaigns and lobbies on key issues affecting our members and the public at large. We're working to protect and improve the public services, win equal pay and employment rights for everyone, improve safety in the workplace and end discrimination and harassment at work. We also support external campaigns on issues such as fuel poverty and fair trade. You spot the bit where they say "we will campaign to make our members worse off" and I will shove my cock through a mincing machine. They have no obligation to campaign for salary reductions, it is contrary to the rules of the organisation and would cause it to cease to exist if they did. See for yourself. General Rule 4. To improve the pay and conditions of members and promote their interests.
Hullfox Posted 22 November 2008 Posted 22 November 2008 You spot the bit where they say "we will campaign to make our members worse off" and I will shove my cock through a mincing machine.They have no obligation to campaign for salary reductions, it is contrary to the rules of the organisation and would cause it to cease to exist if they did. See for yourself. General Rule 4. To improve the pay and conditions of members and promote their interests. Surely Phube does have a point (though not necessarily in the bit about campaigning for no pay rise or indeed a paycut), if we have negative inflation where the cost of living has clearly gone down, surely without a payrise, we are all better off. Also, whilst it's not a stated aim of unions to campaign to make their members worse off, many people would argue that that is indeed what has been achieved over a number of years.
Daggers Posted 22 November 2008 Posted 22 November 2008 Surely Phube does have a point (though not necessarily in the bit about campaigning for no pay rise or indeed a paycut), if we have negative inflation where the cost of living has clearly gone down, surely without a payrise, we are all better off. I don't believe Phube has a point beyond "I don't like unions". If there is deflation then we are superficially better off in the short term - but deflation leads to job cuts and downward pressure on salaries as companies fight to maintain sales volumes in declining markets. Killing any point Phube may have had, if there were to be an accrued benefit from this situation then it would be factored into the next round of pay bargaining anyway possibly resulting in a smaller pay award. I'm happy enough - a reduction in prices, petrol and interest rates is going to have a very positive effect in our house as neither of our jobs will be under any threat. Wahey! :thumbsup:
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