sdb Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 Slightly bizarre topic to bring up but he's starting to get on my tits. Now i'm not doubting he's a very good manager but i'm struggling to think of him ever succeeding without spending big money. Fair enough in many ways, but he's got such a talented squad at Spurs now that he really should be concentrating on the players he has rather than putting in all his effort into taking other teams players. He's conducting business in the media (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/7825118.stm) which i hate, and he's had to have Wilson Palacios piss all over his team before noticing how good he is - that annoys me because the lad has dictated almost every Wigan game i've seen in the last year. I could continue but gotta head out briefly!!
Corky Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 Good manager, but very over-rated. One Fa Cup in 26 years as a manager. O'Neill is much better.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 Good manager, but very over-rated. One Fa Cup in 26 years as a manager. Think about players he's nutured and developed though. Defoe, Lampard, Ferdinand. Players seem to want to play for him, surely that's the sign of a very good manager?
Corky Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 Think about players he's nutured and developed though.Defoe, Lampard, Ferdinand. Players seem to want to play for him, surely that's the sign of a very good manager? I'm not saying he's bad, just not as good as the media make out. If he wins trophies and does well at a high-pressure club like Spurs then I think the hype will be justified.
dandannieldanok Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 I've never liked him and my dislike seems to have grown a lot more since he moved to Spurs. As you say he's conducting his business through the media, and also, in my opinion, his open criticism of the way Ramos did things is baffling when you consider some of his transfer targets and Spurs' recent form.
sdb Posted 16 January 2009 Author Posted 16 January 2009 Think about players he's nutured and developed though.Defoe, Lampard, Ferdinand. Players seem to want to play for him, surely that's the sign of a very good manager? Didn't they come through the West Ham ranks while he was there and then bugger off?! Fair enough he gave them 1st team footy (and Defoe obviously likes working with him) but i expect any manager would have done the same with those 3. It just annoys me that there's a really talented (if slightly overrated) squad at Spurs but rather then work with them and put out a balanced side (all they need is a left back) he goes after players that are far too good for Spurs in their current predicament, but will go because they offer so much ££. I mean he seemed to get them playing when he 1st arrived - a couple of bad results later and he's waving cash around all over the place, publicly, whilst de-stabilizing other teams. annoying.
Joe. Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 I think he's just a bit exasperated at the moment with his team. Ramos has done him no favours whatsoever with the team he left behind; too many overpaid prima donnas like Bentley not doing their part for the team. He's already stated that some of the players who were bought for big money (no names mentioned Pavlyuchenko) need to step up to the plate or else they'll be out. Bale, Bentley, Assou-Ekotto and Jenas are all rumoured to be available in the transfer window, and it's hardly surprising. All have horribly under-performed this season. I see no problem with him trying to offload some of these quickly while he can - sensible managment in my opinion. Taking players off the smaller clubs, however frustrating it is, is always going to be a part of football. Spurs will make an offer both the club and the player can't refuse, and it's inevitable that he'll go eventually, even if it may not actually be to Tottenham.
sdb Posted 16 January 2009 Author Posted 16 January 2009 I think he's just a bit exasperated at the moment with his team. Ramos has done him no favours whatsoever with the team he left behind; too many overpaid prima donnas like Bentley not doing their part for the team. He's already stated that some of the players who were bought for big money (no names mentioned Pavlyuchenko) need to step up to the plate or else they'll be out. Bale, Bentley, Assou-Ekotto and Jenas are all rumoured to be available in the transfer window, and it's hardly surprising. All have horribly under-performed this season. I see no problem with him trying to offload some of these quickly while he can - sensible managment in my opinion. Taking players off the smaller clubs, however frustrating it is, is always going to be a part of football. Spurs will make an offer both the club and the player can't refuse, and it's inevitable that he'll go eventually, even if it may not actually be to Tottenham. you're right of course. it just frustrates me that a player from Wigan, 7th in the table and getting better and better, is happy to go to Spurs for money alone (that's all it can be - maybe London but nothing football related). i know the top 4 are very predictable but teams like Tottenham don't deserve to poach players from better performing teams (both wigan and west ham fall into that category). i'm not articulating my point very well here - but a good manager would get that tottenham team (+ a left sided player) into the top 6/7 no problems. Yes there are a lot of over-payed players but they're still potentially better than 90% of PL players (Hughes made Bentley great, Jol - Lennon, King etc, Curbishley - Bent, Huddink - Pavlechenko, Modric etc so why can't Ol' Harry? - apparently the best English manager since sliced bread.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 Didn't they come through the West Ham ranks while he was there and then bugger off?! Fair enough he gave them 1st team footy (and Defoe obviously likes working with him) but i expect any manager would have done the same with those 3. It just annoys me that there's a really talented (if slightly overrated) squad at Spurs but rather then work with them and put out a balanced side (all they need is a left back) he goes after players that are far too good for Spurs in their current predicament, but will go because they offer so much ££. I mean he seemed to get them playing when he 1st arrived - a couple of bad results later and he's waving cash around all over the place, publicly, whilst de-stabilizing other teams. annoying. Oh, no doubt there is a great set up for youths at West Ham, but it's not all about playing them. Redknapp ensured that they stayed on track to become the great professionals they are, and kept them in check. Sure they all might do the odd stupid thing, but what footballer doesn't? Also, there is clear talent in the Spurs squad, Redknapp hans't questioned that, but what has been brought into doubt is the character of the squad. Do players like Didier Zakora honestly give a shit about Tottenham? I doubt it.
sdb Posted 16 January 2009 Author Posted 16 January 2009 Oh, no doubt there is a great set up for youths at West Ham, but it's not all about playing them.Redknapp ensured that they stayed on track to become the great professionals they are, and kept them in check. Sure they all might do the odd stupid thing, but what footballer doesn't? Also, there is clear talent in the Spurs squad, Redknapp hans't questioned that, but what has been brought into doubt is the character of the squad. Do players like Didier Zakora honestly give a shit about Tottenham? I doubt it. so why not play Jenas? Or Huddlestone? Or Boetang? Or Bentley? Geovanni? They can't all not give a shit. If that is the case, surely more questions should be asked of the management? Like i say, he had them playing a few weeks back - they've gone crap again. He can't blame Ramos anymore. Anyhoo i'm not saying he's a bad manager. He's just adding to his squad with a little gem that another, better manager has gone out and found. It annoys me because a lot of good players are being wasted there and all they need is a kick up the arse!
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 16 January 2009 Posted 16 January 2009 so why not play Jenas? Or Huddlestone? Or Boetang? Or Bentley? Geovanni? They can't all not give a shit. If that is the case, surely more questions should be asked of the management? Like i say, he had them playing a few weeks back - they've gone crap again. He can't blame Ramos anymore.Anyhoo i'm not saying he's a bad manager. He's just adding to his squad with a little gem that another, better manager has gone out and found. It annoys me because a lot of good players are being wasted there and all they need is a kick up the arse! Well as you've said, there is talent in the squad. There is enough there to have at least one purple patch, and it would seem that that happened when Redknapp arrived. He must obviously ask himself questions about the current squad's attitude if players of the calibre of Jenas / Bentley are continually benched, hence this proposed spending in the window.
lookwhaticando Posted 17 January 2009 Posted 17 January 2009 Slightly bizarre topic to bring up but he's starting to get on my tits. Now i'm not doubting he's a very good manager but i'm struggling to think of him ever succeeding without spending big money. Fair enough in many ways, but he's got such a talented squad at Spurs now that he really should be concentrating on the players he has rather than putting in all his effort into taking other teams players. He's conducting business in the media (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/7825118.stm) which i hate, and he's had to have Wilson Palacios piss all over his team before noticing how good he is - that annoys me because the lad has dictated almost every Wigan game i've seen in the last year. I could continue but gotta head out briefly!! I'm doubting it. If he was any good, he wouldn't be at Tottenham Shitspurs right now and Portsmouth before them, and Southampton before them. I think I just dislike Spurs.They annoy me. I also dislike them. Moreso now that they're managed by someone who is fairly decent at pulling teams out of the shit with a big wallet. Worse, he's making them look somewhat competent. The last weeks of Oneday's reign were brilliant for me... watching the team comically thrash about totally devoid of ideas, without a hope in hell of getting any points... it was a beautiful thing. Then Levy ruined it by firing the spanner. Wankshaft.
davieG Posted 17 January 2009 Posted 17 January 2009 Well as you've said, there is talent in the squad. There is enough there to have at least one purple patch, and it would seem that that happened when Redknapp arrived.He must obviously ask himself questions about the current squad's attitude if players of the calibre of Jenas / Bentley are continually benched, hence this proposed spending in the window. Surely if he was a 'great' manager he'd be able to get more consistency from his current talented players
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 17 January 2009 Posted 17 January 2009 Surely if he was a 'great' manager he'd be able to get more consistency from his current talented players I don't think he is great. But there just seems to be this attitude of complacency at Spurs, the likes of Huddlestone, Jenas, and Lennon fall into that bracket. It's a shame because they're all very talented players and can be really effective when on form.
lildave3 Posted 17 January 2009 Posted 17 January 2009 Bentley's shit. That's all i'd like to add really.
lavrentis Posted 17 January 2009 Posted 17 January 2009 Bentley's shit.That's all i'd like to add really. So is his hair.
JakeShingler Posted 17 January 2009 Posted 17 January 2009 Bentley's shit.That's all i'd like to add really. Seconded.
martyn Posted 26 January 2009 Posted 26 January 2009 Absolute tosspost he really is. Starting to get fed up with the way he continually conducts his business through the media. http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4852/arry2tc2.jpg Quite a nice summation really.
Ultra Posted 26 January 2009 Posted 26 January 2009 Brian Reade in the Mirror has him sussed.. I watched an old fella suffer badly the other night.My 71-year-old father-in-law has followed Burnley since he was a boy and as he saw his Wembley dream snatched away I felt his pain. So did our dog, and half the street. But he quickly calmed down, reflected on how the Clarets had done their fans proud, and said: "Eh, that's football". I then watched another old fella suffer. A 61-year-old twitching at the Sky cameras like Kevin Keegan in head-explosion mode, slagging off his players and announcing he would send out his weakest team in the up-coming FA Cup tie. Surely that's not 'Appy 'Arry Redknapp, ace motivator and English patriot, who attacks anyone who doesn't give Her Majesty's FA Cup the respect its history demands? Could you imagine the stick a foreign manager would take if he'd said he was throwing an FA Cup tie at Old Trafford? Particularly if he continued to refuse to speak to Her Majesty's BBC? Imagine if he'd weaseled out of all blame for his side's poor display by publicly roasting his players and the previous management? What would have happened if he'd humiliated a reserve goalkeeper, days after slaughtering a confidence-sapped striker? He would have been accused of insulting British institutions and not having the character or bottle to succeed in English football, that's what. "This is a team put together by I don't know who and I don't know how. It's scary," is Redknapp's new mantra. Yet this wasn't his tune when he took over at Spurs, drew with Arsenal and twice beat Liverpool. "We have a lot of good players," he said in October. Now it seems he's working in a talent-free zone. His whine is not without truth. Spurs' squad is unbalanced and lacks leaders. But with the likes of Modric, Pavlyuchenko, Lennon, Bentley, Woodgate, King, Bale and Jenas, plus the £30million he's just been allowed to spend, most coaches in Europe would willingly swap places. So why, as his players suffer a dip in form, and they need confidence boosting, does he put the boot in on them? It's because their form brings his managerial skills into question, and Harry can never let that happen. He's got previous. When he failed to keep Southampton in the Premier League he blamed the mess he'd been left. And only this week he was reminding everyone that the players Alain Perrin bequeathed him at Portsmouth were "useless". Redknapp's top priority is convincing the outside world that he's a class act who's been prevented from running a big club (and his country) by foreigners. Well he doesn't look too classy right now. He didn't last year, when England scraped a draw with the Czech Republic and he put the boot in on Fabio Capello. "They're not the same players we see in the Premier League. What's happened to them?" he told TV viewers. The implication being that this foreigner can't handle our boys. But as Capello has proved, big coaches don't waste time cosying up to the media or slagging off their players. They quietly work out how to get the best out of the talent before them. Harry's finally achieved his ambition of managing a big team. But he's finding it takes a bit more than wheeler-dealing, pats on backs, and a wink at the cameras. It takes broad shoulders to carry the blame, a cool brain to work out how to put things right, and an indifference to currying favour with your critics. The question is: Has Harry got what it takes, or is he cracking up under pressure?
dandannieldanok Posted 26 January 2009 Posted 26 January 2009 Absolute tosspost he really is. Starting to get fed up with the way he continually conducts his business through the media.http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4852/arry2tc2.jpg Quite a nice summation really. Brian Reade in the Mirror has him sussed.. Agree with both, he'd soon kick up a fuss if another manager started unsettling his best players through the media. And the constant excuses are pathetic, god knows how long he'll keep harping on about Ramos putting together a poor squad. His initial disdain for the FA cup was equally ridiculous, showing it no respect this year but was happy last season to swan around Portsmouth on top of a bus with the freedom of the city. I didn't mind Ramos, he seemed like a decent bloke but with Redknapp know I hope Tottenham crash and burn.
Joe. Posted 26 January 2009 Posted 26 January 2009 His initial disdain for the FA cup was equally ridiculous, showing it no respect this year but was happy last season to swan around Portsmouth on top of a bus with the freedom of the city. He played a full strength team! I know what he said before it, but it was clearly intentional bollocks.
Darkzzz_ Posted 26 January 2009 Posted 26 January 2009 Brian Reade in the Mirror has him sussed.. That is a good read. I agree with Brian. Harry is a bloke I used to like, he has got on my nerves in the last few years.
Simi Posted 26 January 2009 Posted 26 January 2009 He played a full strength team! I know what he said before it, but it was clearly intentional bollocks. I think people above him basically told him that he had to play a reasonable team as loads of Yids complained. The fans relationship is something Spurs are concerned about given their performances.
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