stez Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 yes because any of them are worthy of my vote. to believe the greens would be any different to the rest of them, if they ever got a sniff of power, is to delude yourself sorry that doesn't read right.
Edmund Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 Ive never voted because ive never had any interest. But like Ultra said I think it's worth voting just to keep people like the bnp from gaining popularity. The problem with the bnp is even though they may be a minority there members will all vote. Really not sure who im going to vote for but I will do once ive seen what each party is offering instead of voting based on a name and past reputation. Basically the categories I will be looking at is who will be taking the most amount of money in terms of taxes, not just income but road, national insurance etc I will also see what benefits me and my family most. If there was a party which was going top legalise cannabis then they would get my vote any day but sadly not.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 yes because any of them are worthy of my vote. to believe the greens would be any different to the rest of them, if they ever got a sniff of power, is to delude yourself My cynicism isn't quite THAT far along yet, I'm a good ten-to-fifteen years behind you yet Stez.
Jordan Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 Stunning just how much momentum the UK Independence Party and BNP have gotten over the past few years. Without dragging this into an argument and purely on estimated turnout/polling/the electorate's general mood etc., is this going to continue this year? The upcoming EP vote has occupied about 0% of any American major news medium's international news coverage. 4 options for Thurmaston, how unexciting. Over here, we're lucky if we get two.
Fosse Boy Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 Vote Labour, Working class. lol Yeah, because they really represent the working classes nowadays don't they?
Ultra Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 Those who advocate not voting on the pretext "they're all as bad as each other" are nothing more than the the little helpers of UKIP and the BNP. I knowe I'm biased, but voting can and does make a difference to people's lives. Look at this list of 100 Labour achievements in Leicester since May 2007. If people, for understandable reasons, cannot bring themselves to vote Labour in the Euro-elections, I'd recommend the Greens as a principled, largely progressive alternative. There may also be other non-Tory, non-BNP alternatives available. When our troops are giving their lives for the cause of democracy in Afghanistan, we should treat our system of government with a little more respect.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 lol Yeah, because they really represent the working classes nowadays don't they? That's the point, though. No mainstream party really does. The masses of people who will vote for the Conservatives frustrates me, really. They're not voting with their economic interests at all - Labour might havae gotten complacent and gone and fucked everything up but if you really believe the Torries care about the average £20k a year Joe then you're sorely mistaken. Edit: The above is probably Ultra's best post, ever. You might think not-voting is sensible because "they're all shit" but at the end of the day I'd vote for anyone - even David Cameron - if the only other alternative was seeing the BNP gain power.
Ultra Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 lol Yeah, because they really represent the working classes nowadays don't they? In Leicester at least, they still do..
Edmund Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 The masses of people who will vote for the Conservatives frustrates me, really. They're not voting with their economic interests at all - Labour might havae gotten complacent and gone and fucked everything up but if you really believe the Torries care about the average £20k a year Joe then you're sorely mistaken. Most of these people who vote conservative are people (the high earners) being fooked over by labours taxes. Can you blame them? It is probably true that the average person wouldn't be better off under conservatives and voting them purely because they don't like labour is silly. Best thing to do is weigh up the options and see what suits the individual best. What also annoys me is the little choice and why can't parties change there stance to suit modern times. It is silly that a core contingent will vote a party based on past reputation or because it's family trend etc.
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 But those "high earners" are hugely in the minority. Half of this forum was in uproar the other day about new taxes on people earning an amount none of us will ever get near. The tiniest percent of the country earn that much. You just get all screamy about it because the tabloids blow it out of whack. End of the day, the taxes have to come from somewhere and you can be pretty sure that a Conservative government would have made up the numbers by slapping a bit of extra tax on the you and me.
Edmund Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 But those "high earners" are hugely in the minority. Half of this forum was in uproar the other day about new taxes on people earning an amount none of us will ever get near. The tiniest percent of the country earn that much.You just get all screamy about it because the tabloids blow it out of whack. End of the day, the taxes have to come from somewhere and you can be pretty sure that a Conservative government would have made up the numbers by slapping a bit of extra tax on the you and me. Totally agree with you but all I was saying was if I was earning the amount they were and being taxed more I would also vote what would benefit me most, hence why conservative receive these votes. I think I misread your first point thinking you were questioning why people vote conservative and that frustrated you but I realised you meant people voting conservative purely on a basis rather than economical interest.
Ultra Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 But those "high earners" are hugely in the minority. Half of this forum was in uproar the other day about new taxes on people earning an amount none of us will ever get near. The tiniest percent of the country earn that much.You just get all screamy about it because the tabloids blow it out of whack. End of the day, the taxes have to come from somewhere and you can be pretty sure that a Conservative government would have made up the numbers by slapping a bit of extra tax on the you and me. Exactly.. Just like they did with the poll tax, which most posters on here are too young to remember.
Fosse Boy Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 at the end of the day I'd vote for anyone - even David Cameron - if the only other alternative was seeing the BNP gain power. I think most folks with a brain would agree with that sentiment. On another point which has come up in this thread, I don't see the point in abstaining. If you disagree with all the parties then spoiling your vote surely at least sends them a message that you don't feel they represent you? By remaining apathetic and abstaining, those in government will surely just see the low percentage of voter turnout and think that it gives them license to do whatever the hell they please, because in their eyes the majority simply don't care. Stupid attitude. If you don't like it, you should make a point of saying you don't like it. Wipe your arse on your ballot paper or something...
Finnegan Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 Exactly. I have no problem with protest but apathy is killing this country.
potter3 Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 In my area, you can vote for one of the 'big 3' or the BNP
Edmund Posted 12 May 2009 Posted 12 May 2009 In my area, you can vote for one of the 'big 3' or the BNP This is what is so annoying that there is so little to choose from.
Sir Fynwy Posted 13 May 2009 Posted 13 May 2009 Exactly.. Just like they did with the poll tax, which most posters on here are too young to remember. But the poll tax was a blindingly good idea (not), so easy to dodge if you were a student willing to move house each term (like I did).
Ultra Posted 13 May 2009 Posted 13 May 2009 I see these boards are carrying adverts for Libertas, another party who are apparently standing at the Euro-elections. Their plan to give EVERY country the right to veto ANY attempt to reform the EU constitution is a recipe for disaster. But it's still better to vote for them than for the BNP, or not voting at all.
Guest Posted 13 May 2009 Posted 13 May 2009 I'm 26 and have never voted. It's just a bunch of overpaid twats with two houses paid for by us. Whoever can talk the most bullshit wins. I can't stand the way they all stand in the house of commons bitching at each other like they are 5 year olds in the playground and then expect us to put them in charge of the country. It's the local council and European Parliament elections.
lou Posted 13 May 2009 Posted 13 May 2009 Just out of interest.... what does it mean when someone just posts someone elses quote ... that they agree or disagree? Personally I will vote as think youve got no right to complain if you havent got off your arse and voted but God knows who for at this point until Ive studied theyre policies a bit more. New Labour is barely different to the Tories these days and they dont seem to be working for the working class anymore but someone must be? This expenses row is making me furious and proves they are all as corrupt as eachother, including at Local level, but I will vote to keep the right wingers out.
Alexikokopops Posted 13 May 2009 Posted 13 May 2009 But those "high earners" are hugely in the minority. Half of this forum was in uproar the other day about new taxes on people earning an amount none of us will ever get near. The tiniest percent of the country earn that much.You just get all screamy about it because the tabloids blow it out of whack. End of the day, the taxes have to come from somewhere and you can be pretty sure that a Conservative government would have made up the numbers by slapping a bit of extra tax on the you and me. Less than 1% according to the BBC. Anyway, I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for (in the EU elections, I ain't got no council elections over here). Its all gone tits up under Labour, like Finners I don't really fancy Conservative and I worry that if the Lib Dems ever did come to power they'd get so confused that they'd implode. Voting Green makes me feel like a bloody hippy. Not touching BNP or UKIP with a barge pole. Who's left?
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