Who you all voting for?

[stez]

Those who advocate not voting on the pretext "they're all as bad as each other" are nothing more than the the little helpers of UKIP and the BNP.

I knowe I'm biased, but voting can and does make a difference to people's lives. Look at this list of 100 Labour achievements in Leicester since May 2007.

If people, for understandable reasons, cannot bring themselves to vote Labour in the Euro-elections, I'd recommend the Greens as a principled, largely progressive alternative. There may also be other non-Tory, non-BNP alternatives available.

When our troops are giving their lives for the cause of democracy in Afghanistan, we should treat our system of government with a little more respect.

that's rather disingenuous to be honest. IF i vote for nobody, it's exactly that and to imply i'm therefore helping the BNP or UKIP or the lib-dems or labour or the tories is just plain wrong, as I have voted for no one (IF (i stress again) i don't vote)

But those "high earners" are hugely in the minority. Half of this forum was in uproar the other day about new taxes on people earning an amount none of us will ever get near. The tiniest percent of the country earn that much.

You just get all screamy about it because the tabloids blow it out of whack. End of the day, the taxes have to come from somewhere and you can be pretty sure that a Conservative government would have made up the numbers by slapping a bit of extra tax on the you and me.

Less than 1% according to the BBC.

Anyway, I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for (in the EU elections, I ain't got no council elections over here). Its all gone tits up under Labour, like Finners I don't really fancy Conservative and I worry that if the Lib Dems ever did come to power they'd get so confused that they'd implode. Voting Green makes me feel like a bloody hippy. Not touching BNP or UKIP with a barge pole. Who's left?

according to private eye 0.3 million workers are, adversely, affected by the new higher tax rate 5.3 million workers were adversely affected by the scrapping of the 10p tax rate.

[Guest Bilo]

To be honest, the European Parliament is such a pointless gravytrain I won't be voting for anybody. This is the only election I will not cast a vote in, complete and utter waste of time.

EDIT: I'm not saying they're all as bad as each other, I'm just completely disillusioned with the European Parliament and politics in general right now. As bad as the current situation regarding expenses is, the moneygrabbing of politicians in Westminster pales in comparison to those in Brussels.

[welck12]

I'll probarly not end up voting again, for the same reason that i always use for not voting: i;m never in the country when there held

[lou]

I'll probarly not end up voting again, for the same reason that i always use for not voting: i;m never in the country when there held

Dont they make allowances for people in your position? Postal voting, proxy etc?

[lildave3]

Can I just mention, you're all old.

I'm legal to vote.

[welck12]

Dont they make allowances for people in your position? Postal voting, proxy etc?

I'm sure they do, but i usually travel for a year or so at a time, and to be honest i'm not that fussed on voting to actually get off my lazy arse and sort all that sort of stuff out

[Shrenchel]

Lib Dems, they're far from perfect and I aint really a fan of Clegg but for me they're the best of a bad bunch.

Got some decent policies;

Safe standing areas at the football,

Free tution for first undergraduate degrees,

Abolish council tax and replace it with something less regressive,

2 billion invested in royal mail and end the part privitisation movement,

Decentralisation of the NHS,

Returning the earnings link to the state pension, and a new Citizen's pension that looks like a decent system,

Change the electoral system to proportional representation,

Good stance on civil liberties, removal from the DNA database of all those who haven't been convicted of a crime, scrapping ID cards (using the cash saved to put 10,000 more plod on the street), reaffirming right to prorest and working to dismantle the surveillance society,

Cutting small business rates and strengthening competition legislation,

50% cut in nuclear warheads,

Save our waterways

etc etc

They're a bit lightweight, so of their policies are a bit a gash and I don't really agree with their criticism of the New Deal, its helped out a lot of people I know but they dont seem too bad.

Plus, the European Elections are done with the proportional representation system so your vote will have more chance of making a difference even if you live in a Labour or Tory stronghold.

Anyone that doesn't vote is in my opinion a lazy disabled with no perception of the importance of the process or the struggle people went through to win you that right. Even if you think the main parties are cvnts there is probably an independent or a local issue party worth voting for. If not go and write youre all mongy cvnts on your ballot paper.

[Shrenchel]

To be honest, the European Parliament is such a pointless gravytrain I won't be voting for anybody. This is the only election I will not cast a vote in, complete and utter waste of time.

EDIT: I'm not saying they're all as bad as each other, I'm just completely disillusioned with the European Parliament and politics in general right now. As bad as the current situation regarding expenses is, the moneygrabbing of politicians in Westminster pales in comparison to those in Brussels.

Disagree completely but if thats you're opinion surely it's in your interests to go out and vote UKIP rather than letting the pro-Europe big 3 get all the seats?

[Guest Bilo]

Disagree completely but if thats you're opinion surely it's in your interests to go out and vote UKIP rather than letting the pro-Europe big 3 get all the seats?

I'm not anti-Europe per se, I just disagree with the way that politics in Brussels is conducted. I just don't see anybody who deserves a vote to be honest, including UKIP. It's a bit hypocritical of them to stand for election to an institution they wish to dismantle. I may even go down the road of spoiling my ballot paper a la AFIE, that at least would show my distaste towards the process rather than apathy.

[Jon the Hat]

A lot of what each party says overlaps of course. But when it comes down to the fundamentals, the instincts of Labour are to tax and spend. They are socialists, and they think that anyone with a sob story deserves to have a handout. Unfortunately, this time they had a lot of money to spend in a period of growth, and instead of saving some of it, they just kept spending and spending on pointless inefficient schemes.

Understand that lower taxes means letting people who EARN the money choose how to spend it. Higher taxes mean that the Government thinks it can spend it better than you. Big government is what we have and it is an appalling waste of money. All those things you listed Ultra, they are glorious socialist schemes which keep all of the power in the hands of government. We need less of this crap not more.

[Shrenchel]

Youre not really familiar with fundamentals of socialism are you mate.

[Jon the Hat]

Youre not really familiar with fundamentals of socialism are you mate.

Sorry I am talking about the realities of socialism not the theory.

[Shrenchel]

Sorry I am talking about the realities of socialism not the theory.

The realities of socialism can be seen in Tanzania, Syria, Laos, Vietnam, Venezuela, North Korea, possibly Nicaragua. Certainly not in the UK.

[Jon the Hat]

The realities of socialism can be seen in Tanzania, Syria, Laos, Vietnam, Venezuela, North Korea, possibly Nicaragua. Certainly not in the UK.

On the contrary, the desire to control everything from government has guided everything Labour have been slowly doing for the last 12 years.

[Edmund]

Who are the ukip? Are they as right wing as the bnp?

Reason I ask is because I just go a flyer from them through. It's very ironic, on the front it says No to "unlimited immigration" then inside there is a picture of the asian matey who got sacked from the post office for not serving non english speaking people and saying he will fight for the party which if were in charge would have not let him in the country in the first place.

Also there wasting there paper round here. 90 per cent of people of here are from an asian background, I doubt there going to vote for people that wont let there relatives in.

[Collier]

I voted Ray Quinn after I was ruled out.

[Dr The Singh]

Who are the ukip? Are they as right wing as the bnp?

Reason I ask is because I just go a flyer from them through. It's very ironic, on the front it says No to "unlimited immigration" then inside there is a picture of the asian matey who got sacked from the post office for not serving non english speaking people and saying he will fight for the party which if were in charge would have not let him in the country in the first place.

Also there wasting there paper round here. 90 per cent of people of here are from an asian background, I doubt there going to vote for people that wont let there relatives in.

On the contarary, I don't want my relatives here, and I know most of the people within my family circles want 'controlled' immigration, and if that means there ancestrial counterparts not being able to immigrate to this country, then so be it!!!

The main reason is that there is no real reason for them to immigrate here, there's already a shortage of jobs, shortage of space\resources, so unless there skills are in demand, WTF are the gonna do here, other then sponge of either there families or the system, which isn't benefitting anybody!!!

[Guest]

Also there wasting there paper round here. 90 per cent of people of here are from an asian background, I doubt there going to vote for people that wont let there relatives in.

The ethnic group calling for the toughest controls on immigration in my immigration law seminar group were the asians. In particular, it was the 2nd/3rd generation muslims who most strongly felt that we needed stronger controls, a couple going as far to say that all immigration needs to be stopped.

[Edmund]

On the contarary, I don't want my relatives here, and I know most of the people within my family circles want 'controlled' immigration, and if that means there ancestrial counterparts not being able to immigrate to this country, then so be it!!!

The main reason is that there is no real reason for them to immigrate here, there's already a shortage of jobs, shortage of space\resources, so unless there skills are in demand, WTF are the gonna do here, other then sponge of either there families or the system, which isn't benefitting anybody!!!

Are you voting ukip? Are they right wing?

The ethnic group calling for the toughest controls on immigration in my immigration law seminar group were the asians. In particular, it was the 2nd/3rd generation muslims who most strongly felt that we needed stronger controls, a couple going as far to say that all immigration needs to be stopped.

That's interesting to hear.

Also Singh makes a interesting point about jobs etc

[Shrenchel]

Who are the ukip? Are they as right wing as the bnp?

Reason I ask is because I just go a flyer from them through. It's very ironic, on the front it says No to "unlimited immigration" then inside there is a picture of the asian matey who got sacked from the post office for not serving non english speaking people and saying he will fight for the party which if were in charge would have not let him in the country in the first place.

Also there wasting there paper round here. 90 per cent of people of here are from an asian background, I doubt there going to vote for people that wont let there relatives in.

They're not as right wing as the BNP no. The BNP say they want to get non white british people that are already here to go back to their or their families' country of origin with some ridiculous scheme where they pay them to go 'home' and put a complete stop on all immigration forever. UKIP have no resettlement programme and want a 5 year stop on immigration and then a strictly controlled points based system after that.

Apart from on immigration and Europe, most of UKIP's policies wouldnt look out of place in the the tory party.

[lou]

The ethnic group calling for the toughest controls on immigration in my immigration law seminar group were the asians. In particular, it was the 2nd/3rd generation muslims who most strongly felt that we needed stronger controls, a couple going as far to say that all immigration needs to be stopped.

Ive found that too amongst my friends and colleagues. I think the vast majority of clear thinking people over here realise that immigration needs some control and cannot continue the way it has been. I dont think its racism on most peoples part, just common sense.

[Finnegan]

VOTE FINNERS!

Blackjack and hookers for everyone.

[Edmund]

They're not as right wing as the BNP no. The BNP say they want to get non white british people that are already here to go back to their or their families' country of origin with some ridiculous scheme where they pay them to go 'home' and put a complete stop on all immigration forever. UKIP have no resettlement programme and want a 5 year stop on immigration and then a strictly controlled points based system after that.

Apart from on immigration and Europe, most of UKIP's policies wouldnt look out of place in the the tory party.

Cheers buddy

To be honest they don't sound bad at all. People were putting them in the same brackets as the "bnp" earlier in this thread

[Uncle Albert]

I am only voting for the MP in my area arent I? First timer to this voting stuff.

[Guest Bilo]

Cheers buddy

To be honest they don't sound bad at all. People were putting them in the same brackets as the "bnp" earlier in this thread

The main issue with them is that they wish to pull Britain out of the EU altogether, a sentiment I personally disagree with quite strongly. The EU is flawed, and the politics of it need reforming, but membership is overwhelmingly in Britain's interest. Thus, I wouldn't vote UKIP myself.