Who you all voting for?

[Sparky]

I will be voting , but at this moment in time im a floater . Some of the UKIP policys interest me and i think Nigel Farage comes across as a decent leader , the Lib Dems are the other im considering and Nick Clegg seems to have pulled the party in the right direction since the leadership issues in the past.

[stez]

Why not just head for their websites. You get a lot more than just mailshot titbits.

http://bnp.org.uk/

http://www.libdems.org.uk/

http://www.labour.org.uk/

could do i suppose, but they're hardly going out of their way to get my vote.

i put it on my things to do list.

I will be voting , but at this moment in time im a floater . Some of the UKIP policys interest me and i think Nigel Farage comes across as a decent leader , the Lib Dems are the other im considering and Nick Clegg seems to have pulled the party in the right direction since the leadership issues in the past.

fnar!

[Sparky]

could do i suppose, but they're hardly going out of their way to get my vote.

i put it on my things to do list.

fnar!

[Edmund]

[Bryn]

More people should spoil ballots, it should be the done thing for everyone who doesn't want to vote for anyone.

[Edmund]

More people should spoil ballots, it should be the done thing for everyone who doesn't want to vote for anyone.

What does that mean.

Jizz in the ballot box?

[Edmund]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...es-1690406.html

The British National Party is outperforming the major parties online, according to a new analysis of the far-right strategy in the run up to next month's European elections.

Fresh evidence suggests that the BNP is outdoing Labour and the Conservatives in luring visitors to its website, where it outlines policies such as halting immigration, the reintroduction of corporal punishment and the return of the death penalty.

The statistics came as the Archbishops of Canterbury and York urged voters yesterday not to let the ongoing MPs' expenses scandal convince them to vote BNP in June.

Dr Matthew Goodwin of Manchester University and editor of The New Extremism in 21st Century Britain, argues that the BNP is engaged in an "unprecedented" cyber-campaign. Figures from Alexa, which measure the level of traffic to internet sites over the past three months, reveal the BNP is far ahead of the other mainstream parties' websites. The BNP's site is ranked globally as the 46,000th most popular site on the internet.

The Conservatives sit in 165,000th place, the Liberal Democrats are 198,000th leaving Labour way back about 248,000th. The relative popularities are confirmed by Google Trends for websites, which reveals online interest in the BNP persistently spiking ahead of the mainstream parties.

The figures from Alexa also show the BNP registering more traffic than highly publicised political blogs such as Guido Fawkes. They also reveal that once logged on, surfers spend twice the amount of time checking out the BNP's ideas compared to those on the Conservative website – 6.3 minutes a day compared to 2.7 minutes. But the figures don't take account of the fact that Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem blogging and internet sites are far more profuse.

Dr Goodwin argues that the BNP under Nick Griffin is now augmenting grass roots support through the electronic media. For example text messages sent to random numbers seek a small donation to party funds and ask recipients to forward the plea to family and friends. Voters who make inquiries are directed to a party call centre. Dr Goodwin says: "The BNP's shift to an Obama-style online strategy enables it to circumvent the tactics used by other parties to starve it of publicity and also shows up the dangers of that approach."

He concludes that the BNP is "sidestepping a hostile press by delivering its message direct to the desktop". Meanwhile, a leaked BNP "education and training" document circulated among activists and seen by The Independent gives detailed advice to its supporters to exploit "the growing power of cyberspace media".

It warns against linking unofficial blogs with the main party website, promoting "barking mad" conspiracy theories and poor standards of English. It concludes: "We should use such sites to 'bring the horse as close as possible to the water' and once they find that they agree with our policies, hopefully they'll drink."

Dan Hodges of the anti-racist group Searchlight said the web traffic figures massively overstated the true level of interest in the far-right party and accused the BNP of massaging the numbers.

"On the basis of their web hits they are more popular than all the mainstream parties combined but that is just not the case. It does not reflect the level of support," he said.

Im sure three quarters of those hits are people who are anti bnp and of course any party that causes controversy is going to receive more attention.

Can't really see this as a major positive for the bnp.

[Flynny]

More people should spoil ballots, it should be the done thing for everyone who doesn't want to vote for anyone.

My polling station is at my uni hall, I'm pretty much demanding anyone who claims not to give a shit to do this (or to let me tell them how to vote).

[Ultra]

I'm sure three quarters of those hits are people who are anti bnp and of course any party that causes controversy is going to receive more attention. Can't really see this as a major positive for the bnp.

This.

[Ultra]

They have the opposite affect on me. Brown has had 12 years of influence in the one of the most profligate governments in history and have done little but saddle us with debt and unsustainable running costs.

As opposed to the Tories, who used the benefit of North Sea oil revenues over nearly 20 years to invest in public services which were the envy of the world..

[Tilley]

When is there going to be a general election?

[Fosse Boy]

More people should spoil ballots, it should be the done thing for everyone who doesn't want to vote for anyone.

Yes.

Show you're fucked off rather than doing nothing. If you don't prove you're annoyed, how can you expect the politicians to care?

[Edmund]

Yes.

Show you're fucked off rather than doing nothing. If you don't prove you're annoyed, how can you expect the politicians to care?

So what is spoiling the ballot?

Is it leaving a turd in the box of the bnp with a note saying eat this?

Or leaving a burnt leaf in the green party with a note saying haha the environment is going down and I refuse to recycle plastics?

[Fosse Boy]

So what is spoiling the ballot?

Is it leaving a turd in the box of the bnp with a note saying eat this?

Or leaving a burnt leaf in the green party with a note saying haha the environment is going down and I refuse to recycle plastics?

It basically means just scribbling all over it. Write anything you want on it. Your vote doesn't go to any party, but it is counted in the overall election. Whereas not voting proves absolutely nothing.

[Edmund]

It basically means just scribbling all over it. Write anything you want on it. Your vote doesn't go to any party, but it is counted in the overall election. Whereas not voting proves absolutely nothing.

Ok, seems pretty pointless to me. I doubt they would care that someone has scribbled all over there ballots. Seems like a private school prank to me. I still think a turd or leaving your jizz in there would have a better effect. Seeing all those votes stuck together.

[Flynny]

As opposed to the Tories, who used the benefit of North Sea oil revenues over nearly 20 years to invest in public services which were the envy of the world..

If there's one thing that really ****s me off it's Labour loyalists moaning about things the Tories did fooking years ago. It's all Brown can ever say. "What are you going to do about this?". "Well, in 1997 it was far worse BLAH BLAH".

It proves nothing. It stymies change. Parties barely stand for anything anymore, let alone permanently. I'm sure it makes you feel better to giggle and feel a bit superior to the Tories but we might as well start talking about the how the 3-day week means we should vote out Brown. Utter, utter, utter bollocks.

[Webbo]

As opposed to the Tories, who used the benefit of North Sea oil revenues over nearly 20 years to invest in public services which were the envy of the world..

Which public service do we have now that is the envy of the world?

[coale39]

Which public service do we have now that is the envy of the world?

Er walking dur..

[Cobbo]

Everything has moved right.

It is getting to the stage that I shall go to the polling station and write 'none of these bastards' on my ballot paper.

[Thracian]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...es-1690406.html

The British National Party is outperforming the major parties online, according to a new analysis of the far-right strategy in the run up to next month's European elections.

Fresh evidence suggests that the BNP is outdoing Labour and the Conservatives in luring visitors to its website, where it outlines policies such as halting immigration, the reintroduction of corporal punishment and the return of the death penalty.

The statistics came as the Archbishops of Canterbury and York urged voters yesterday not to let the ongoing MPs' expenses scandal convince them to vote BNP in June.

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The archbishops' comments effectively act as the perfect rallying call for the BNP, especially when they bleat that the BNP is divisive.

I say that because the Church of England General Synod voted earlier this year to ban clergy from being members of the BNP but did nothiong to stop their numbers being members of the racist, sexist Labour party or from spouting their marxist views about redistribution of wealth on Radio Leicester's Thought for the Day.

How divisive is handicapping white people who want to join the Police or is Harriet Harperson for saying firms must employ more women? And that's before you talk about starting wars that aren't justified.

Labour - with their neverending class consciousness is the definition of divisiveness. It doesn't govern for the good of all people in our society. It governs not to do good but to impart its own social agenda.

And from what moral standpoint does the Roman Catholic Church or the Church of England seek to influence our voting choice anyway?

Last I read the Catholic Church was in turmoil not just because priests had allegedly been systematically been indecently assaulting vulnerable kids in their care over long periods of time but because those who might have acted to investigate and to stop the goings-on appeared to have chosen to turn a blind eye, for whatever reasons.

http://www.leaderpost.com/news/Irish+pries...2688/story.html

Were it an isolated situation I might feel sympathy that the Church should be so dragged through the gutter but I had personal experience of been ogled by a senior official while a gymnast at Leicester YMCA as a young teenager and there have been catalogues of cases involving the sordid activities of clergymen and young kids over all the years in between and in various countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Not only that but didn't lots of clergy seek to prevent the ordination of women priests a few years back - however divisive and inexcusable you'd call that?

At a time now, when you might have expected the Church to be vigorous in defending its faith and its Christian message, it has almost moved aside to facilitate the advance of Islam at times - perhaps no bad thing for the Godly given the way the Christian faith has been shamed, and its principles watered down and compromised over the years, but you might surely have expected a stronger stance.

Has the Church come out fighting to defend the fast disappearing jobs of the indigenous population? Have they fought for the rights of young white school leavers to have as fair a chance of joining the police or fire service as everyone else? Not according to anything I've read.

And yet a joint statement by the Archbishops of Canterbury and York say "This is not a moment for voting in favour of any political party whose core ideology is about sowing division in our communities and hostility on grounds of race, creed or colour." Except Labour presumably!

I consider myself a Christian and am certainly someone who was brought up to have Christian values.

But that is so much spineless hypocrisy.

I'm all for the West providing irrigation systems, removing cataracts, sending medicines and helping provide education and much, much more for disadvantaged people across the world but I'd also like our Church and our politicians to carry a flag for our people and our problems. Instead of coming out with such utterly insincere claptrap.

Cos while the BNP might have its faults just like UKIP at least they are two parties who are trying to do something positive for the forgotten people of this country instead of turning it over to Europe or to everyone with a hard-luck story who's been told it's a land of free milk and honey.

What the hits on the BNP site should serve as is a warning to the main political parties that they need to change drastically.

Labour won't because they don't govern for the common good they govern to impose their misguided ideologies.

So it's up to the Conservatives really to show that they will stand up for our indigenous population, stimulate the jobs market, end immigration until the jobless queues shrink, spend money responsibly and sensibly and to show they'll set lasting and worthwhile standards across the board.

[Jon the Hat]

So it's up to the Conservatives really to show that they will stand up for our indigenous population, stimulate the jobs market, end immigration until the jobless queues shrink, spend money responsibly and sensibly and to show they'll set lasting and worthwhile standards across the board.

They don't need to end immigration - people only came for the jobs. There aren't any now so they will not come. Don't believe all the balls about immigrants claiming benefits - they are a tiny minority of benefit fraud.

[Jon the Hat]

If there's one thing that really ****s me off it's Labour loyalists moaning about things the Tories did fooking years ago. It's all Brown can ever say. "What are you going to do about this?". "Well, in 1997 it was far worse BLAH BLAH".

It proves nothing. It stymies change. Parties barely stand for anything anymore, let alone permanently. I'm sure it makes you feel better to giggle and feel a bit superior to the Tories but we might as well start talking about the how the 3-day week means we should vote out Brown. Utter, utter, utter bollocks.

This.

[Flynny]

This.

I wish Ultra had replied to this instead of mocking a thread about how I could see Iain Dowie's back hair in a picture the other day. By mocking I mean x infinity obviously.

[l444ry]

One can only assume from the Tory silence on their policies that they intend to present a facade of what they want the voters to believe - that a Cameron Government would be like MacMillan or Heath. Anyone with more than half a brain (ie. most non-Tories) knows that this is not the case. For an idea of what Cameron would be like, think Thatcher with expensive moisturiser, dangling on strings controlled by Norman Tebbit.

Yes the Tories are riding high but not on a wave of enthusiasm for Tory policies. What I suspect they are trying to do is to try and get elected without telling us anything about their policies at all, and then if they do they would have carte blanche to impose those ideologically motivated cuts that they always make. They would also be able to make decisions to suit the myriad of shady donors who have been waiting for payback on their investments. If you think Labour is unpopular, wait until the third year of a Tory government - if the electorate are daft enough to vote them in.

[Edmund]

One can only assume from the Tory silence on their policies that they intend to present a facade of what they want the voters to believe - that a Cameron Government would be like MacMillan or Heath. Anyone with more than half a brain (ie. most non-Tories) knows that this is not the case. For an idea of what Cameron would be like, think Thatcher with expensive moisturiser, dangling on strings controlled by Norman Tebbit.

Yes the Tories are riding high but not on a wave of enthusiasm for Tory policies. What I suspect they are trying to do is to try and get elected without telling us anything about their policies at all, and then if they do they would have carte blanche to impose those ideologically motivated cuts that they always make. They would also be able to make decisions to suit the myriad of shady donors who have been waiting for payback on their investments. If you think Labour is unpopular, wait until the third year of a Tory government - if the electorate are daft enough to vote them in.

You actually type serious replies .

Was expecting the usual newspaper headline.