Iran Elections

[Edmund]

Why don't you add you're expert opinion on this matter ? Surely you and Finn can make a decent joke out of this thread.

Does it really bother you that much?

[Daggers]

Why don't you add you're expert opinion on this matter ? Surely you and Finn can make a decent joke out of this thread.

[BoneDog]

The elections were not rigged i bet ya. All the protests we see are in north Tehran where around half the people support Mousavi. Majority of the poorer regions absolutely love Ahmediniwhothisname. I've watched loads of stuff on this from all round the world on loads of channels and the reality is nothing like the poo I've been seeing on BBC/Sky etc. I honestly can't believe the propaganda. It's just like the WMD stuff all over again (but in a different style). Lies, lies, lies

Yes, a few million people are peed off but the majority of Iran are not. The truth is out there

[Edmund]

The elections were not rigged i bet ya. All the protests we see are in north Tehran where around half the people support Mousavi. Majority of the poorer regions absolutely love Ahmediniwhothisname. I've watched loads of stuff on this from all round the world on loads of channels and the reality is nothing like the poo I've been seeing on BBC/Sky etc. I honestly can't believe the propaganda. It's just like the WMD stuff all over again (but in a different style). Lies, lies, lies

Yes, a few million people are peed off but the majority of Iran are not. The truth is out there

So the conspiracy begins

[Webbo]

The elections were not rigged i bet ya. All the protests we see are in north Tehran where around half the people support Mousavi. Majority of the poorer regions absolutely love Ahmediniwhothisname. I've watched loads of stuff on this from all round the world on loads of channels and the reality is nothing like the poo I've been seeing on BBC/Sky etc. I honestly can't believe the propaganda. It's just like the WMD stuff all over again (but in a different style). Lies, lies, lies

Yes, a few million people are peed off but the majority of Iran are not. The truth is out there

But apparently Amadinajed (spelling )Had a massive majority in those areas too according to the election results.

[Guest Bilo]

The elections were not rigged i bet ya. All the protests we see are in north Tehran where around half the people support Mousavi. Majority of the poorer regions absolutely love Ahmediniwhothisname. I've watched loads of stuff on this from all round the world on loads of channels and the reality is nothing like the poo I've been seeing on BBC/Sky etc. I honestly can't believe the propaganda. It's just like the WMD stuff all over again (but in a different style). Lies, lies, lies

Yes, a few million people are peed off but the majority of Iran are not. The truth is out there

Have you been watching Press TV again?

[Daggers]

Exactly how many channels from around the world broadcast "this kind of stuff" here?

[Guest Bilo]

Exactly how many channels from around the world broadcast "this kind of stuff" here?

Well there's the Fantasy Channel, Television X,

Oh, you didn't mean that kind of stuff did you?

[BoneDog]

Have you been watching Press TV again?

Sometimes yes. It shats on BBC

[BoneDog]

Exactly how many channels from around the world broadcast "this kind of stuff" here?

On Tv i watch em all : BBC, Sky, NHK, Al Jazeera (which is just another branch of sky news nowadays), Russia Today, NHK, France 24 and Press TV (which does not lick Ahmenjidwhotshisnames ass). Online i see more stuff.

[Mort]

The elections were not rigged i bet ya. All the protests we see are in north Tehran where around half the people support Mousavi. Majority of the poorer regions absolutely love Ahmediniwhothisname.

That was my initial reaction, but when you look at the figures, they seem very odd.

This site has a good overview - http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/ira...hy-numbers.html

As it is the tallies dont add up, even in Amadinajhad did win it's not likley he did so by the kind of lop-sidded margin the offical results suggested.

Right now I dont see how anything changes, the millitary is now cracking down on the protestors and breaking-up demonstrations... somthing dramatic needs to happen for the anti-government faction to keep up the pressure, as it is it looks like the next couple of days will see a crack down and an end to the protests.

[BoneDog]

Let's not forget what 'conspiracy' means. It just means : 'a secret plot'. There are many conspiracys going on at all times around the world and this is just another that is for the benefit of the US and maybe Israel. There will be another war and another 2 million people will be slaughtered and then we will look back at more lies we have been told .

[BoneDog]

That was my initial reaction, but when you look at the figures, they seem very odd.

This site has a good overview - http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/ira...hy-numbers.html

As it is the tallies dont add up, even in Amadinajhad did win it's not likley he did so by the kind of lop-sidded margin the offical results suggested.

Right now I dont see how anything changes, the millitary is now cracking down on the protestors and breaking-up demonstrations... somthing dramatic needs to happen for the anti-government faction to keep up the pressure, as it is it looks like the next couple of days will see a crack down and an end to the protests.

I think he did win but that's probably true, not by as much as is made out. But even the great USA has had a very recent rigged election. 2000 i think it was.

[grth2004]

ive been following the whole situation and just hope that the violence doesnt get worse , my fear is this could turn very nasty with people being rounded up and killed , i think the only way forward is another election monitored by the U.N. trouble is whoever wins i dont think the other side will let it lie as the country seems to be split 50/50. hopefully Mousavi will get elected at some point then the people will get more freedom and all realise how bad things were under Ahmadinejad but i doubt this will happen . this is where i have got alot of news from https://twitter.com/TehranBureau

[Guest Bilo]

Sometimes yes. It shats on BBC

Press TV is owned and run by the Iranian government. It's in their interests to say that the election was fair.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest that it wasn't.

[grth2004]

Press TV is owned and run by the Iranian government. It's in their interests to say that the election was fair.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest that it wasn't.

[MC Prussian]

Just gotten a few snippets and news pieces from my Iranian friend. Shocking scenes - snipers shooting at innocent bystanders.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2077...0333&ref=nf

It's hard to watch somebody dying. But these eyes, these black eyes looking at the camera... Gives me the shivers.

[Guest Bilo]

Just gotten a few snippets and news pieces from my Iranian friend. Shocking scenes - snipers shooting at innocent bystanders.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2077...0333&ref=nf

It's hard to watch somebody dying. But these eyes, these black eyes looking at the camera... Gives me the shivers.

That is horrible and shows how courageous the protestors have to be. RIP to an innocent woman standing up for what she believed in. The Iranian people are a decent people and deserve so much better than the government they're lumbered with.

[BoneDog]

Correct Bilo, they do deserve better, but the Mousavi guy would only be just as bad or worse. He has been connected to the people who led us to war in Iraq with their lies for at least 20 years. They are now called neo-cons, but he has been in their group for a long time before that name came into existence.

For anyone who's interested in finding out how these coups go down, take a look at below link. I guarantee you will see clearly if you take the time to watch. It is a film shot by two Irish folk who were in Venezuala at the time of the coup in 2002. It shows how the media work for the small rich minority and pull the wool over our eyes. It also shows White House lies as plain as can be.

Revolution will not be televised

[BoneDog]

ive been following the whole situation and just hope that the violence doesnt get worse , my fear is this could turn very nasty with people being rounded up and killed , i think the only way forward is another election monitored by the U.N. trouble is whoever wins i dont think the other side will let it lie as the country seems to be split 50/50. hopefully Mousavi will get elected at some point then the people will get more freedom and all realise how bad things were under Ahmadinejad but i doubt this will happen . this is where i have got alot of news from https://twitter.com/TehranBureau

You should check out this guy on twitter for a better view in my opinion.

Twitter

[MC Prussian]

Correct Bilo, they do deserve better, but the Mousavi guy would only be just as bad or worse. He has been connected to the people who led us to war in Iraq with their lies for at least 20 years. They are now called neo-cons, but he has been in their group for a long time before that name came into existence.

For anyone who's interested in finding out how these coups go down, take a look at below link. I guarantee you will see clearly if you take the time to watch. It is a film shot by two Irish folk who were in Venezuala at the time of the coup in 2002. It shows how the media work for the small rich minority and pull the wool over our eyes. It also shows White House lies as plain as can be.

Revolution will not be televised

You should check out this guy on twitter for a better view in my opinion.

Twitter

I don't have a particular stance in this recent uprising of the Iranian population against the current regime.

What I see, however, is violence directed at the young, women and defenseless done by government-controlled paramilitary organisations like the Baij. And that is despiccable. Shooting at and killing the innocent & defenseless is a sign of helplessness. Have you seen the pictures? It makes me mad and sad when I see young, pretty women killed for nothing but a status quo in the grand scheme of things.

When I read that one Twitter you're referencing to, I have a hard time accepting lines like

We have a legal system in Iran like any other country in the world.

Which is quite a joke in itself.

All the small liberties that have been or are granted to the Iranian people that are mentioned further down in said blog are re-actions of a troubled Islamic government that is facing an enormeous resistance from the people and a government that is also fearing losing its 30-year old influence. Simple as.

I quote even further:

I do not see the need to go in the streets and make life difficult for people.

But remaining silent and accepting the current state of oppression IS indeed easier, right.

The protesters are fed up with Ahmedinejad and rightly so. And excuse me, Media is, has always been and probably will remain selective in terms of news. Or do you think what you read in the papers and see on telly over here in Europe is really representative of what's "really" going on? How naïve does one have to be to believe that crap? So what is so different in Iran compared to our news "situation"? Nothing.

Your "guy" on Twitter feeds you with the news you want to hear (correct me if I'm mistaken).

The sooner peace is re-established in Iran and once a more Persian-close government (and I'm clearly talking about one NOT controlled by foreign powers like Shah Pahlawi back in the 60ies and 70ies) is put to power, the region itself can look forward to better, more prosperous times.

Generally speaking, Islam, which is a relatively young religion, is facing a deep crisis. A reformation similar to the one when Luther questioned the Catholic influence in Germany some 500 years ago is on the cards. And the Arabic world is having troubles dealing with this. A lot. Iran is just the starting point. Others will follow.

Gee... feels like back in the days...

[BoneDog]

I don't have a particular stance in this recent uprising of the Iranian population against the current regime.

1. What I see, however, is violence directed at the young, women and defenseless done by government-controlled paramilitary organisations. And that is despiccable. Shooting at and killing the innocent & defenseless is a sign of helplessness. Have you seen the pictures?

Your "guy" on Twitter feeds you with the news you want to hear (correct me if I'm mistaken).

The sooner peace is re-established in Iran and 2. once a more Persian-close government (and I'm clearly talking about one NOT controlled by foreign powers like the Pahlawi back in the 60ies and 70ies) is put to power, the region itself can look forward to better, more prosperous times.

Generally speaking, Islam, which is a relatively young religion, is facing a deep crisis. A reformation similar to the one when Luther questioned the Catholic influence in Germany some 500 years ago is on the cards. And the Arabic world is having troubles dealing with this. A lot. Iran is just the starting point. Others will follow.

Gee... feels like back in the days...

1. Yes i have seen the pictures. We see pictures like this every day from somewhere around the world. Unfortunately the killing of the young, women and defensless is usually done by western government bombs, artillery and guns. Or by regimes put into power or backed by 'our' leaders.

2. Well if Mousavi gets into power (which he won't) it will be a government controlled by foreign powers. If you know anything about him you would know that.

As for your points on Islam, how can you reform a Religion? You either believe or you don't. If you believe something is from your Creator how can you change it? Islam will never change. It is the only religion that has never changed. Yes, there have been some reformers and there may be more, but the original will always remain. It won't just remain, it will grow. It is growing at an enormous rate right now. Even redneck Texans are converting to Islam. Hundreds of thousands of white and black Americans every year convert. Hundreds of thousands of Mexicans also convert. Chinese, Jamaicans and the list goes on and on.

As much as people don't understand that religion (because they believe liars and images on tv of supposed Muslims) and want it to change or disappear, it never will.

I don't have a clue what this means "And the Arabic world is having troubles dealing with this. A lot. Iran is just the starting point." Which arabs are having trouble dealing with it? No protests in the Arab world are against Islam so this point has nothing to do with the situation in Iran.

[BoneDog]

Another thing i don't understand is how can our government, or the US government criticize Iran for clamping down on protestors who set petrol stations and mosques on fire and hundreds of cars and basically wreck the city?

We have peaceful protests sometimes (when we are allowed) and police use brutallity. We have deaths at peaceful protests and so do America where the police are much worse. Can you imagine the situation if on our protests we started setting petrol stations or churches on fire and burning everything up? I think you'll find our leaders would use the same heavy handed tactics we see in Iran and in other places around the world.

[BoneDog]

Your "guy" on Twitter feeds you with the news you want to hear (correct me if I'm mistaken).

I think that you are more likely to only see what you want to hear than me. I don't think you spend as much time as me reading and listening to all points of view on these situations. How many hours have you spent listening to the poor in Iran who don't have mobile phones or internet? None I think.

Less than 1 in 3 people in Iran have internet and most of them are the elite and the young westernised folk (who are by far in the minority). The protestors in North Tehran by no means share the views of most of the country (or even the capital). Fact.

[Webbo]

Another thing i don't understand is how can our government, or the US government criticize Iran for clamping down on protesters who set petrol stations and mosques on fire and hundreds of cars and basically wreck the city?

We have peaceful protests sometimes (when we are allowed) and police use brutallity. We have deaths at peaceful protests and so do America where the police are much worse. Can you imagine the situation if on our protests we started setting petrol stations or churches on fire and burning everything up? I think you'll find our leaders would use the same heavy handed tactics we see in Iran and in other places around the world.

We don't indiscriminately shoot protesters though do we?There are several clips on youtube if you want to look for them, which are far worse than anything you'll see in this country.