Ireland Vote Yes on the Lisbon Treaty

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Whether you agree with the treaty or not, surely the policy of keep voting until you get the answer you want is not really democratic!

[davieG]

Whether you agree with the treaty or not, surely the policy of keep voting until you get the answer you want is not really democratic!

We need a revolution, politicians are acting like Royalty of old they need to be put firmly in their place which is they are their to represent the people not to rule them..

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Ooops scratch that! The Headline was Irish Yes vote good for UK... not the result...

[Daggers]

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What is this thread about and why should I care?

[AoWW]

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What is this thread about and why should I care?

I was wondering the same. I assumed it was just me being ignorant.

[Guest lcfc80]

trust the paddies to drop us in it. Hope the torries get in and hold a referendum(sp) before its too late and we are in. This treaty would spell disaster for the UK

[Guest]

This treaty would spell disaster for the UK

Why?

[Guest lcfc80]

Why?

our right to veto certain euro rules is taken away from us, Europe can dictate what laws are passed in this country, subsidies that we get from Europe will be reduced and im sure it involves that they can meddle with our tax policies aswell (altho' im not 100% certain on that). Basically it would mean europe would have alot more influence on how this country is run, and the decisions would be made with the benefit of europe in mind and not the UK

[Benji]

Whether you agree with the treaty or not, surely the policy of keep voting until you get the answer you want is not really democratic!

You make a valid point and it is a bit of a mockery but there was about an extra 13% of the electorate voting second time round and I assume they are much more informed now of what the Treaty consists of since rejecting it.

our right to veto certain euro rules is taken away from us, Europe can dictate what laws are passed in this country, subsidies that we get from Europe will be reduced and im sure it involves that they can meddle with our tax policies aswell (altho' im not 100% certain on that). Basically it would mean europe would have alot more influence on how this country is run, and the decisions would be made with the benefit of europe in mind and not the UK

To be fair the Treaty doesn't really add anything to what we have already, it just clarifies/has down on paper the power the EU already has and has been using. The majority of the stuff in it was decided on by member state officials a long time ago and power has been put into the EC Treaty to already enforce this stuff.

Having said this I don't think we should ratify it.

[Guest lcfc80]

I assume they are much more informed now of what the Treaty consists of since rejecting it.

I'd probably assume the opposite to be honest

[Daggers]

I was wondering the same. I assumed it was just me being ignorant.

I hope it's about cheese.

I bloody love cheese and hold some very strong opinions about it.

[Guest]

our right to veto certain euro rules is taken away from us, Europe can dictate what laws are passed in this country, subsidies that we get from Europe will be reduced and im sure it involves that they can meddle with our tax policies aswell (altho' im not 100% certain on that). Basically it would mean europe would have alot more influence on how this country is run, and the decisions would be made with the benefit of europe in mind and not the UK

How?

[Benji]

I'd probably assume the opposite to be honest

If less people had come out and the result was very close I'd agree. But something drastic seems to have changed to not only bring out voters but to bring out agreeing voters.

Maybe the old "dead people voting" trick is at play

[Guest lcfc80]

How?

what do you mean 'how'? i assume you are taking the piss but if not it gives the euro parliment more power over us basically threw what i mentioned above

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[Guest lcfc80]

If less people had come out and the result was very close I'd agree. But something drastic seems to have changed to not only bring out voters but to bring out agreeing voters.

Maybe the old "dead people voting" trick is at play

id imagine more of the contoversal policies were watered down in the campaign

[Guest]

what do you mean 'how'? i assume you are taking the piss but if not it gives the euro parliment more power over us basically threw what i mentioned above

Your argument looks like it's come straight from the Daily Mail. I just want to see if you know exactly what you know about this Treaty, what you know about the current Treaties, and how the new one purports to affect the current status quo.

For the record, I see both sides of the argument.

[Daggers]

id imagine more of the contoversal policies were watered down in the campaign

Cheese related ones?

[Guest]

Cheese related ones?

Yes. Mouldy cheeses are banned under the new constitution, and about time too.

[Daggers]

Yes. Mouldy cheeses are banned under the new constitution, and about time too.

I feel I may have to join the mad, mentalist bastards of UKIP.

[Guest lcfc80]

Your argument looks like it's come straight from the Daily Mail. I just want to see if you know exactly what you know about this Treaty, what you know about the current Treaties, and how the new one purports to affect the current status quo.

For the record, I see both sides of the argument.

what will happen if the treaty is passed is what i have posted. This is supposed to be a whole new treaty after the european union constitution but after a independent 'think tank' panel of MP's studied it they concluded it was fundamentally the same treaty, many other european MP's from other countries have admitted it is the same treaty aswell. One of the main problems that it will provide this county is the 'majority voting ' system that will come in instead of the current system when we can veto policies that clearly don't help us. imagine how that could damage thinks such as the fishing industries when we can't stop the Spanish insisting they can catch more fish in our waters (this is just a random example of what could happen). The Treaty brings nothing to benefit this once great nation.

And I am not influenced by newspapers opions, I just take on board the facts

[Thracian]

Your argument looks like it's come straight from the Daily Mail. I just want to see if you know exactly what you know about this Treaty, what you know about the current Treaties, and how the new one purports to affect the current status quo.

For the record, I see both sides of the argument.

But would you know which side to vote for?

Cos from what I've read the Treaty is made to be virtually indecipherable and deliberately so because the authors don't really want anyone to read it and to fully understand its implications.

[Guest lcfc80]

Cheese related ones?

your trying very hard to get noticed by me tonight aren't you

[Guest lcfc80]

But would you know which side to vote for?

Cos from what I've read the Treaty is made to be virtually indecipherable and deliberately so because the authors don't really want anyone to read it and to fully understand its implications.

Amen Brother

[Guest]

This is supposed to be a whole new treaty.......

That is where you are wrong. It is supposed to amend the Treaty on European Union (the Maastricht Treaty), and the Treaty establishing the European Community from the 50's. Given the way that the EU has expanded in the past decade or so, how would you address these issues?

You also ignore the fact that the UK has already negotiated certain opt outs, which include some decisions not being binding on the UK.

But would you know which side to vote for?

Cos from what I've read the Treaty is made to be virtually indecipherable and deliberately so because the authors don't really want anyone to read it and to fully understand its implications.

You've read the Treaty? Well done!