Guest Posted 2 March 2010 Posted 2 March 2010 So a bit like USA football club then? We haven't got to the stage where clubs are moved around the country yet. No, hang on...
Guest ttfn Posted 2 March 2010 Posted 2 March 2010 My main problem with a points deduction is that one board can get a club into financial difficulties and be long gone by the time the club goes into administration, leaving the new board to face the punishment whilst those responsible for the financial mismanagement can go off and balls up elsewhere in the footballing world. I'm afraid that's tough shit. It is the company that get into financial difficulties, under the protection of the board of directors, not the board of directors themselves. The new board should know what it's getting itself into when it takes over. That's what due dilligence is for.
Guest Posted 3 March 2010 Posted 3 March 2010 I'm afraid that's tough shit. It is the company that get into financial difficulties, under the protection of the board of directors, not the board of directors themselves.The new board should know what it's getting itself into when it takes over. That's what due dilligence is for. I know, I fully appreciate all of that, and you'll see from earlier posts, I'm not the sympathetic type. Like I said though, it doesn't stop people who mismanage club's from doing it again. Nice to see you managed to ignore that part of the argument.
spittingfeathers Posted 3 March 2010 Posted 3 March 2010 Shame for any club to end up like that. The calm before the storm !
Guest ttfn Posted 3 March 2010 Posted 3 March 2010 I know, I fully appreciate all of that, and you'll see from earlier posts, I'm not the sympathetic type. Like I said though, it doesn't stop people who mismanage club's from doing it again. Nice to see you managed to ignore that part of the argument. I did. Apologies. The Ridsdale situation is absurd.
Guest Posted 3 March 2010 Posted 3 March 2010 I did. Apologies. The Ridsdale situation is absurd. Exactly. If there ever was a Football Offenders Register, his name would be top.
The Doctor Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 So you're saying that if a club spend more money than they earn somebody should pay their debts for them? That'll teach them to live within their means. I was thinking more debts to other football clubs and governing bodies (transfer fees , fines etc.) be suspended for 6-12 months while the clubs sorts out other debts such as policing fees etc.
MPH Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 As a deterrent points deduction for going into admin is clearly not working and is in any case closing the door after the horse has bolted. The only people that suffer are the fans who have no direct influence on the running of the club. What the the football authorities should be doing is stopping clubs over reaching themselves in the first place by bringing in strict financial controls and ownership rules. It's not rocket science. I think this is one thing Rugby has got right.. along with french football. Teams are not allowed to spend more than a certain % of what they earn. No wage cap as teams are welcome to spend it how they want to... and for the bigger clubs it will of course be a bigger amount.. but propertionately the same. Quite like the idea..
MPH Posted 5 March 2010 Posted 5 March 2010 I was thinking more debts to other football clubs and governing bodies (transfer fees , fines etc.) be suspended for 6-12 months while the clubs sorts out other debts such as policing fees etc. what? so a club loses a player for a fee they consider acceptable and then that fee is held back causing their own financial issues through no fault of their own?
MC Prussian Posted 17 March 2010 Posted 17 March 2010 Pompey are now deducted 9 points for going into administration. Relegation looms. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8571990.stm Portsmouth deducted nine points Crisis club Portsmouth have been docked nine points by the Premier League for going into administration last month. It means the bottom-placed side are now 17 points from safety with nine games left, making relegation almost certain. With debts of about £65m, Pompey became the first Premier League club in history to enter administration. Manager Avram Grant said last month: "Football should be decided on the pitch not in the courts, not in the Premier League offices." The announcement came a day after HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) formally dropped its challenge over the validity of the club's move into administration. In a statement, the Premier League said: "Following the High Court's decision that Portsmouth FC's administration is valid the Premier League board convened to apply the League's rules and policies in relation to a member club suffering an event of insolvency. "As a result Portsmouth FC has been deducted nine points with immediate effect. As part of this process the board met with the administrator to agree how we will work together for the remainder of the season to ensure that the club is able fulfill its commitments." Premier League rules dictate that clubs entering administration are automatically deducted nine points - a point less than in the Football League as there are fewer clubs in the division - and means Grant's side are now firmly rooted to the foot of the table, 14 points behind Burnley and Hull, in 18th and 19th spot. However, the club's administrator Andrew Andronikou has previously said that the penalty could be challenged, saying: "Yes, it is a Premier League rule but that rule has never been tested, and that's what I will do." The league's board also met with Andronikou "to agree how we will work together for the remainder of the season to ensure that the club is able fulfill its commitments." A drop to the Championship for the south-coast side looks extremely likely, although they can look forward to an FA Cup semi-final clash with Fulham or Tottenham in April. Grant added last month that his sympathies lay with the Pompey supporters and that they should not be the ones to suffer for the club's financial problems. "The fans should not be victims in this scenario," the Israeli said. "Of course, we should not be docked nine points. All my life I have been fighting for justice and in the interests of fair play, we need football to be decided on the field. "Maybe someone, somewhere, will think about the fans, who have done nothing wrong." Portsmouth have also been told they will not be able to compete in Europe next season, even if they win the FA Cup, having beaten Birmingham to make the last four. Andronikou was appointed on 26 February with the aim of cutting costs and finding a buyer for the Hampshire team. The club, who opted to go into administration ahead of a scheduled winding up order from HMRC, announced last week they had axed 85 jobs, although no players have so far been forced to leave. The administrator has stated that there are "five substantial interested parties" keen to buy the club, confirming that he has met Cheshire millionaire Rob Lloyd, who is leading a consortium interested in buying the club. Andronikou revealed after the points deduction was announced on Wednesday, that the investors behind a takeover bid headed by Lloyd would need to reveal their identities and proof of funds to him and the Premier League if they wanted to proceed. "There will have to be more clarity about his backers before the middle of next week," Andronikou said. "It is part of a bundle of information I need to see. We need the whole picture. © BBC MMX
lou Posted 17 March 2010 Posted 17 March 2010 possibly me being thick and I havent read the thread in its entirety but why nine points and not ten?
MC Prussian Posted 17 March 2010 Posted 17 March 2010 possibly me being thick and I havent read the thread in its entirety but why nine points and not ten? Premier League rules dictate that clubs entering administration are automatically deducted nine points - a point less than in the Football League as there are fewer clubs in the division - and means Grant's side are now firmly rooted to the foot of the table, 14 points behind Burnley and Hull, in 18th and 19th spot.
Sir Fynwy Posted 17 March 2010 Posted 17 March 2010 9 point deduction now but will they have a 10 point deduction at the start of next season? Seems to depend on a CVA and whether they get enough points to stay up without the deduction this season. Best punishment would be to drop a bomb on Fraton Park, would do them a favour as well, they could build a decent little stadium then.
Wycombe Fox Posted 17 March 2010 Posted 17 March 2010 Best punishment would be to drop a bomb on Fratton Park... The last time I was there, I thought somebody already had!
lou Posted 17 March 2010 Posted 17 March 2010 9 point deduction now but will they have a 10 point deduction at the start of next season? Seems to depend on a CVA and whether they get enough points to stay up without the deduction this season. Best punishment would be to drop a bomb on Fraton Park, would do them a favour as well, they could build a decent little stadium then. and cause thousands of pounds worth of improvements
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