MC Prussian Posted 25 February 2010 Posted 25 February 2010 How likely is a scenario that sees the Pompey fans create their own "consortium" or collective fund and bailing out their club by coming up with the £12m to pay off the pending tax bill? I mean, there's 200'000 people living in Portsmouth, about 450'000 to 500'000 in the greater Portsmouth area.
lildave3 Posted 25 February 2010 Posted 25 February 2010 More importantly - does this mean LD3 wins his bet with Bert? It means exactly the opposite surely? I'll find my hotdogs one way..
filbertway Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Surely it does though because as fellow fans we can emphasise with the the fact that their relationship with their club is more than simply a commercial one? Are you saying you have the same emotional attachment to buying beans from your favourite supermarket as you do to buying tickets to watch Leicester?And how is going west 'paying the price' for having won the cup? If they do go under it will be because of years of mismanagement, if anything without the financial gains of the cup run they might have run into this trouble last season. Due to bad planning, winning the cup meant the players bonuses were higher than the actual financial gains of winning the cup. I think the guy that came up with the bonus structure should probably grab his coat.
Tommeh Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Bollocks, football is a business and poorly run businesses go to the wall everyday, just because they have fans instead of customers doesn't mean anyone should have sympathy for them. The fans all loved it when they won the cup, they are now having to pay the price of that. Businesses that have existed since 1989, and are the whole life for probably 15,000 odd people don't go bust everyday. I also fail to see how winning the cup should warrent the brink of existance 3 years later. Ok they brought players in but have now sold all involved for similar fees. Just feel that a thread titled "laugh at Pompey" is completely embarrasing for a forum which is suppost to be full of football fans.
ozleicester Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Disapointed with the thread title. In reality IMO, it isnt a whole lot different to us, Pompey will go into admin and get relegated and spend however many years trying to rebuild. their fans, who (unlike their management) dont deserve to suffer, will feel the pain They may end up like us spending time in division ****ing 3, but as long as the fans have a club to support then admin isnt the worst thing in the world, a true fan stays whether they are playing in europe or at MK Dons. But to me.. its no laughing matter.
Guest DavidJCW Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Can't say I feel anything for Pompey really. If they survive, fine. If they don't, I won't be feeling particularly sorry for them.
Zingari Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Can't say I feel anything for Pompey really. If they survive, fine. If they don't, I won't be feeling particularly sorry for them. agreed , and it's time football needs to get it's collective head out of it's arse , and if it's the fate of pompey that brings it about , then so be it
purpleronnie Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Bollocks, football is a business and poorly run businesses go to the wall everyday, just because they have fans instead of customers doesn't mean anyone should have sympathy for them. The fans all loved it when they won the cup, they are now having to pay the price of that. Hardly the fans fault though, did they know there club was being run that bad? Scudamore's 'debt is good' culture has helped, not that the club isnt to blame either but if there were tighter guidelines it wouldn't happen.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Portsmouth enter administrationCash-strapped Portsmouth are struggling at the bottom of the league Portsmouth have become the first Premier League club to enter administration. The debt-laden club will also be docked nine points as a result which means relegation is almost certain. With debts of about £60m, they were due to face a winding-up order on 1 March but opted to go into administration unless a buyer for the club was found. It was reported that four parties were considering a takeover but Thursday's deadline passed without a conclusion. It's official then.
Head Honcho Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Always had a soft spot for Pompey but I'll shed no tears when they go into administration! Had they gone under then I'd have been gutted but they'll survive I'm sure and let's hope this will be a kick up the arse to all fans to be careful what you wish for. The owners are to blame that's for sure but pressure from the fans has a lot to answer for. I hope the administrators go in, sack everyone of the players and write off any monies owed to any ex players and then tell the premier league they are unable to fulfill their fixture list and start afresh preparing for next season in the championship.
IOWFOX Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Don't wont to see them go but glad that finely they have got what they deserve, if they were in any other league they would have been put into administration weeks ago. All this talk about their 'amazing' fans, supposedly the best in the country is so annoying. I know an awful lot of pompey fans and i can honestly say they are rubbish, well most of them are. A few games a season and only when a big team is in town it's only a bloody 15 minute ferry away, ahhh i'll stay quiet i guess there alright on the whole.
Uncle Albert Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Bollocks, football is a business and poorly run businesses go to the wall everyday, just because they have fans instead of customers doesn't mean anyone should have sympathy for them. The fans all loved it when they won the cup, they are now having to pay the price of that. I agree totally with this, Pompey are paying the price now for stupidity in the board room and thinking they were bigger than they were when it came to buying and selling and all the rest when it comes to running a football club. Not arsed to see them go anyway, never liked them.
Guest Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 But when we ourselves are football fans it's not really right for us to get all schadenfreude towards them is it? You're too young to remember what their fans were like on the football forums when we went into administration. I can see why some of our fans have no sympathy for them, especially seeing as it's not the first time their club has gone into administration. You would have expected them, of all people, to have been more sympathetic of our position.
lcfc_jme Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Sad state of affairs down at Pompey, but it's what they get for the financial stupidity of some of their previous owners and managers to be fair. Fans want to have their cake and eat it; absolutely loved it when they were splashing out money on transfers and big wages for better players, winning the FA Cup and entering Europe, and now it's the biggest disaster since 9/11?! Get a grip. I don't want Pompey to go under, don't get me wrong, but I struggle to sympathise with them for being broke when, frankly, the money they've made from being in the Premier League, winning the FA Cup, playing in Europe and selling players is unfathomable. Oh, and I'll look forward to another trip there next season.
MrSpaM Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 How likely is a scenario that sees the Pompey fans create their own "consortium" or collective fund and bailing out their club by coming up with the £12m to pay off the pending tax bill?I mean, there's 200'000 people living in Portsmouth, about 450'000 to 500'000 in the greater Portsmouth area. Your forgetting their fanbase is now next to nothing, half of their season ticket holders dont even bother turning up, and unlike us when we were in a similar situation, havnt got a consortium of ex legends and rich folk to help bail them out. I can't really see any former aqaintences of the club giving them anything to help them out. Sad day for english football in general, could mark the demise of many more top flight clubs. Soon our leagues are going to stop being a battle for promotion and start becoming more of a battle to fight administration. Does anybody know what would have happened if they would have gone completely under? like would one more team have been promoted from our league this season or would they just cut the number of premiership teams by one next season?
Flynny Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Pretty ashamed a thread with such a pathetic title exists on this forum if i'm honest. Bollocks, football is a business and poorly run businesses go to the wall everyday, just because they have fans instead of customers doesn't mean anyone should have sympathy for them. The fans all loved it when they won the cup, they are now having to pay the price of that. Utter balls, we've no idea if Mandaric is sticking in money or loans. If we suddenly find out it's loans and Mandaric conks it or sells out to cheapskates or, y'know, someone financially responsible, then we could be in this exact position a few years down the line. Do any of us know what's going on, is any of it our responsibility, have we been given the information we need to make a judgement? No. Were the Pompey fans, before this season started? Not really. What were they supposed to do, stop attending en masse and exacerbate the problem?
Uncle Albert Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 So what if they go down all the way like Leeds, Southampton and whoever, couldnt care less. Shame most of you in here didnt show the same support to Leeds like you are doing for Pompey when they were in the same boat.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 I have no sympathy at all for them. They gave us a shit load of flak when we went into administration, so they can all go fook themselves.
Sir Fynwy Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Utter balls, we've no idea if Mandaric is sticking in money or loans. If we suddenly find out it's loans and Mandaric conks it or sells out to cheapskates or, y'know, someone financially responsible, then we could be in this exact position a few years down the line. Do any of us know what's going on, is any of it our responsibility, have we been given the information we need to make a judgement? No. Were the Pompey fans, before this season started? Not really. What were they supposed to do, stop attending en masse and exacerbate the problem? If it happened to us it is our tough shit, there are too many people who can't take a step back from loving their club and see it as a badly run business. I don't expect a lot of you to get it but no club has a right to exist just because it has fans who love it. Clubs need to pay their way and most are not.
James. Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Find it a bit petty that people have no sympathy just because a few of their fans took the piss when we went into admin years ago. And yeah I agree with Tommeh, embarassing thread title.
Matt Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 It was highlighted last time I made this point that the PL team did not vote when asked to vote on a points deduction/relegation when a club enters administration, however were Pompey included in the vote? We're they in the FL when the clubs voted? I'm not sure. Anyway, What goes around comes around (That statement especially applies if they were involved in the vote, as they would have obviously voted for a points deduction). I still don't think anything will change as "its only Portsmouth", despite being PL team, it's not a huge loss to the PL, but it's the start of the change I think, I said as soon as administration starts hitting PL teams (I was looking more at the more popular, bigger PL teams tbh) things will change. SSN do cover the news whenever clubs enter administration but I find it a little annoying the majority of the hours is spent talking about Portsmouth and administration when any club outside the PL get's 5 minutes coverage.
Guest Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 As I remember it, nobody had any sympathy for us. We were used as an example of how football clubs should not be run, and no club would ever "get away" with it again. Despite people not knowing the full facts. Now I'm supposed to feel sorry for a club, that's gone into administration for the second time in its history. Once might be unfortunate, but twice just doesn't sway it for me. If we went into administration again, would we have people feeling sorry for us? No. We'd just get arseholes coming out of the woodwork saying we should have been wound up the first time.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 Find it a bit petty that people have no sympathy just because a few of their fans took the piss when we went into admin years ago.And yeah I agree with Tommeh, embarassing thread title. It wasn't just a few, it was most. They were some of the most vocal due to the fact we were their closest rivals to gain promotion. I repeat... they can go fook themselves.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 As I remember it, nobody had any sympathy for us. We were used as an example of how football clubs should not be run, and no club would ever "get away" with it again. Despite people not knowing the full facts. Now I'm supposed to feel sorry for a club, that's gone into administration for the second time in its history. Once might be unfortunate, but twice just doesn't sway it for me. If we went into administration again, would we have people feeling sorry for us? No. We'd just get arseholes coming out of the woodwork saying we should have been wound up the first time. I've never seen any club ripped to shreds like we were about administration. Whether it was rival managers, fans, pundits or the press... they all had a pop at us.
Guest Posted 26 February 2010 Posted 26 February 2010 I've never seen any club ripped to shreds like we were about administration. Whether it was rival managers, fans, pundits or the press... they all had a pop at us. Indeed. Sheepshanks was one of the biggest hypocrites; whilst bleating on about us "cheating", he quietly took Ipswich in and out of administration before anyone could say "transfer embargo".
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