tartanowl Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 You are just pissed off because the wendies won't be getting a payout from Burnley. Are you a Blunt? I've only ever heard Pigs call us 'Wendies'. I've never quite got that name either to be honest. I'm not bothered about a payout in the slightest. I'm just delighted that he is no longer manager of our football club. He has left us in a worse position than when he took over despite having a larger wage budget and more money to spend than his predecessor.
Head Honcho Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Of course Laws is responsible. We are improving off the pitch but went backwards on it. We shouldn't be up competing at the top end of the table but we shouldn't be where we are either. We have cliques in the dressing room, a poor squad of players (only one of his signings have been any good), and we are going to struggle to stay in the division. The buck stops with one man for that. Yeh take yer fooking specs off mate! Law's may have had more investment than his predecessors but not that much fooking more and nowhere near enough to satisfy the expectations of Owls fans. Your club needs major investment and with him in charge I'll agree it wasn't forthcoming-maybe with a guy like Irvine in charge you'll get it. Take away the many caretaker managers you've had in recent years and trust me you've had a few. You have to go back to Trevor Francis I'll say it again Trevor fooking Francis to find a better win ratio from one of your managers. You've had what 15 years of nothing and you want to blame Laws for it-do me a favour!
Edmund Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 That really is laughable. Crap at signing players, crap at motivating them (this season says it all) and in 15 years in management he has managed 2 promotions at S****horpe. Now he's a Premier League manager? We are in a far worse position than when he arrived even though the budget he had was significantly higher than his predecessors. He has left us in a terrible state with a squad bereft of confidence with players who are not motivated and don't get on with each other. I hope he takes some of his duds with him. The only player we have worth keeping is Lee Grant. To be fair if I remember correctly, when he first arrived he improved you no end. Didn't he inherit most of the squad and have fook all money to spend hence why your signings weren't great? Always rated the man and would be harsh just to judge him on this season alone as it has been his first blip in his career. I say fairplay to the Burnley board for appointing a manager on merit and not by name.
Mickey O'Neil Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Slightly surprised by this appointment tbh. I'd have snatched O'Driscoll like a shot if given the chance. If that really is how ambitous Burnley are, then I can see them falling with Pompey in May.
Sir Fynwy Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Are you a Blunt? I've only ever heard Pigs call us 'Wendies'. I've never quite got that name either to be honest. I'm not bothered about a payout in the slightest. I'm just delighted that he is no longer manager of our football club. He has left us in a worse position than when he took over despite having a larger wage budget and more money to spend than his predecessor. No I'm not a blunt, not a fan of either sheffield team, I think wendies suits your team though. New players don't always help when rebuilding a team, as we found out a couple of seasons ago, and changing managers mid season is usually not a great idea (also one we found out the hard way). Good luck for the rest of the season but I'm not expecting to see Wednesday (yes I got it right) trouble the top half soon.
dandannieldanok Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Why are people arguing about Sheffield Wednesday. The bottom line is that he took them to the relegation zone, how that shows him to be a good manager is beyond me.
Head Honcho Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Why are people arguing about Sheffield Wednesday. The bottom line is that he took them to the relegation zone, how that shows him to be a good manager is beyond me. ...........and Holloway got us relegated but he's doing alright now.............isn't he?
Edmund Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Why are people arguing about Sheffield Wednesday. Because it was the last club he managed and this is a thread discussing his appointment at Burnley The bottom line is that he took them to the relegation zone, how that shows him to be a good manager is beyond me. Well on the other hand you could argue that Holloway is a shit manager as he ultimately took us down but is working wonders at Blackpool.
tartanowl Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Yeh take yer fooking specs off mate!Law's may have had more investment than his predecessors but not that much fooking more and nowhere near enough to satisfy the expectations of Owls fans. Your club needs major investment and with him in charge I'll agree it wasn't forthcoming-maybe with a guy like Irvine in charge you'll get it. Take away the many caretaker managers you've had in recent years and trust me you've had a few. You have to go back to Trevor Francis I'll say it again Trevor fooking Francis to find a better win ratio from one of your managers. You've had what 15 years of nothing and you want to blame Laws for it-do me a favour! We expect to be performing sufficiently in the Championship. Nothing else. NOT to be in the bottom 3. The only manager we have had in the last decade that has been successful and has left us in a better position than when he started is Paul Sturrock. I posted this on our forum. Saves me typing it again. "Sturrock brought us success Laws didn't. Sturrock left us in better shape than when he arrived Laws didn't. Despite having a far larger budget. Sturrock signed someone (Madjid Bougherra) we we sold for millions of profit Laws hasn't. Sturrock also signed Tudgay and Simek and saw the improvement in Whelan and Brunt. Other than Lee Grant which of the players Laws has signed are good enough or worth any money? Up until a few months ago I would have been happy with the job he did and agreed that he performed well and over-achieved at times. He did a reasonable job for a while, but he has left us in a mess and with a demoralised squad where some of the players clearly don't get on with each other. The reality now is the job he did wasn't good enough. Brian was a nice guy and he clearly cared about the club, the derby double was fantastic and 2 of the most enjoyable games I've ever been to, but in the end he was struggling and arguably out of his depth with us. How he has got a job in the Premier League I will never know." To be fair if I remember correctly, when he first arrived he improved you no end. Didn't he inherit most of the squad and have fook all money to spend hence why your signings weren't great? Always rated the man and would be harsh just to judge him on this season alone as it has been his first blip in his career. I say fairplay to the Burnley board for appointing a manager on merit and not by name. When Sturrock was sacked we weren't even in the relegation zone. Our caretaker Sean McAuley then went on a 4-5 game winning streak which Laws carried on relatively well and we had a good season. The next season we survived by the skin of our teeth. Pipping you to staying up by winning our last 2 games. We then had a respectable mid-table season last year.
Edmund Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 ...........and Holloway got us relegated but he's doing alright now.............isn't he? you beat me to it
dandannieldanok Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 ...........and Holloway got us relegated but he's doing alright now.............isn't he? Yeah he's doing fine, but he was useless with us with a good budget. I'm not saying good managers aren't going to have bad spells in their career, but I just can't fathom how anyone can argue Brian Laws has done a good job at Sheff Weds. I guarantee if we were in Sheff Weds position, our fans wouldn't be still saying our manager had done a good job and was a good coach.
Head Honcho Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 We expect to be performing sufficiently in the Championship. Nothing else. NOT to be in the bottom 3. The only manager we have had in the last decade that has been successful and has left us in a better position than when he started is Paul Sturrock.I posted this on our forum. Saves me typing it again. "Sturrock brought us success Laws didn't. Sturrock left us in better shape than when he arrived Laws didn't. Despite having a far larger budget. Sturrock signed someone (Madjid Bougherra) we we sold for millions of profit Laws hasn't. Sturrock also signed Tudgay and Simek and saw the improvement in Whelan and Brunt. Other than Lee Grant which of the players Laws has signed are good enough or worth any money? Up until a few months ago I would have been happy with the job he did and agreed that he performed well and over-achieved at times. He did a reasonable job for a while, but he has left us in a mess and with a demoralised squad where some of the players clearly don't get on with each other. The reality now is the job he did wasn't good enough. Brian was a nice guy and he clearly cared about the club, the derby double was fantastic and 2 of the most enjoyable games I've ever been to, but in the end he was struggling and arguably out of his depth with us. How he has got a job in the Premier League I will never know." When Sturrock was sacked we weren't even in the relegation zone. Our caretaker Sean McAuley then went on a 4-5 game winning streak which Laws carried on relatively well and we had a good season. The next season we survived by the skin of our teeth. Pipping you to staying up by winning our last 2 games. We then had a respectable mid-table season last year. One thing's for sure. You now have a better all round manager. But how many game on the trot will he have to lose before he's thrown on the scrapheap that is ex SWFC managers? Irvine is good but without investment you will struggle and you made the statement earlier "we are now better off the pitch" where is the proof of this? You are obviously better informed so can you give us a link so we can all see where this massive investment has come from?
Head Honcho Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Yeah he's doing fine, but he was useless with us with a good budget. I'm not saying good managers aren't going to have bad spells in their career, but I just can't fathom how anyone can argue Brian Laws has done a good job at Sheff Weds. I guarantee if we were in Sheff Weds position, our fans wouldn't be still saying our manager had done a good job and was a good coach. I didn't say he's done a good job just that it wasn't all down to him. His win ratio is the best the club have had in 16 years and although that isn't a measure of a managers ability it sure does say something about how the club has been run for the past 16 years.
tartanowl Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 One thing's for sure.You now have a better all round manager. But how many game on the trot will he have to lose before he's thrown on the scrapheap that is ex SWFC managers? Irvine is good but without investment you will struggle and you made the statement earlier "we are now better off the pitch" where is the proof of this? You are obviously better informed so can you give us a link so we can all see where this massive investment has come from? Our last regime have been the single worst thing to happen to Sheffield Wednesday in my lifetime. They massively increased our debt, split the fanbase down the middle and nearly killed us off. We have a chairman now who is working for free (when he doesn't have to), who is a fan and cares about the club, and that has invested in the infrastructure in the club which may make us more appealing to prospective investors. We would never have got investment with the mess left by the previous board. We have a new website and database system, an improved ticketing structure, improved facilities throughout the stadium, a Prozone system installed for the coaching staff, we have beaten our neighbours to winning the world cup bid, and our revenue streams are on the up. Makes a change from fan the sueing dinosaurs that left our club to rot. I hope Alan Irvine is a success and keeps us up. We don't expect miracles but we should expect to survive in this division. When investment arrives we should hopefully be able to kick on. Despite being in a poor position in the league as a club we are in a far better place than we were 18 months ago.
leicesterfox86 Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Really not sure about this appointment and as this football blog on Premier League relegation rightly states, their odds have now shortened for the drop. Do you think they have just gone for the cheap option? Can be the only explanation unless nobody at a club wanted to join them!! Suppose everybody has to be given a chance though, so we shall see.
Head Honcho Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Really not sure about this appointment and as this football blog on Premier League relegation rightly states, their odds have now shortened for the drop. Do you think they have just gone for the cheap option? Can be the only explanation unless nobody at a club wanted to join them!!Suppose everybody has to be given a chance though, so we shall see. Why would Laws be any cheaper than O'Driscoll? Although they both seemed like cheap options to me I doubt that'd have had anything to do with the appointment. If I were a Burnley fan I'd hope not anyhow!
dandannieldanok Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Why would Laws be any cheaper than O'Driscoll?Although they both seemed like cheap options to me I doubt that'd have had anything to do with the appointment. If I were a Burnley fan I'd hope not anyhow! Because Laws is a free agent whereas Doncaster would require compensation if they wanted O'Driscoll. Having said that I agree that money probably didn't have anything to do with the appointment. One thing good about Coyle going to Bolton is that he'll stop repeating every week "our budget is 10x smaller than anyone elses...blah...blah...blah...". He became almost as tedious a person to listen to in interview as Mick McCarthy is.
Head Honcho Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Because Laws is a free agent whereas Doncaster would require compensation if they wanted O'Driscoll. Having said that I agree that money probably didn't have anything to do with the appointment.One thing good about Coyle going to Bolton is that he'll stop repeating every week "our budget is 10x smaller than anyone elses...blah...blah...blah...". He became almost as tedious a person to listen to in interview as Mick McCarthy is. Ha didn't think of that so now you mention it money did probably have something to do with it
dandannieldanok Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Ha didn't think of that so now you mention it money did probably have something to do with it With the Coyle money they got from Bolton I don't think money could have been that much of an issue. Obviously if there wasn't much of a difference between both Laws and O'Driscoll in the interviews then Laws was the easier and cheaper option. Whatever the situation, I'd be worried if I were a Burnley fan.
Simi Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Horrible appointment for Burnley. Looks like they've settled for Championship football already.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Horrible appointment for Burnley. Looks like they've settled for Championship football already. This. Thought they could have got someone with Premier experience. Even Jewell would have been better IMO.
tartanowl Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 Doncaster wanted £1million compensation. That is what swung it. I feel for Sean O'Driscoll he deserves a crack at a bigger club. He has worked wonders at the Keepmoat and they play some very good football too. I bet he will be disappointed despite what he may say in public. Brian must be delighted he has ended up in a better job, with more money, in the Premier League, despite having failed with us. It's incredible.
Samilktray Posted 13 January 2010 Posted 13 January 2010 I have a sneaky suspicion he'll keep them up. I can feel it in my waters.
Wycombe Fox Posted 14 January 2010 Posted 14 January 2010 That really is laughable. Crap at signing players, crap at motivating them (this season says it all) and in 15 years in management he has managed 2 promotions at S****horpe. Now he's a Premier League manager? We are in a far worse position than when he arrived even though the budget he had was significantly higher than his predecessors. He has left us in a terrible state with a squad bereft of confidence with players who are not motivated and don't get on with each other. I hope he takes some of his duds with him. The only player we have worth keeping is Lee Grant. Sorry tartanowl but I had to chuckle when I read that Laws was going back to Wednesday with a £1.5 million offer for Lee Grant.
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