Jimothy Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 We've given 6million pounds to Haiti, Yet how many road's will that build you? Not many. The UK has given £6m, while Tiger Woods has given £3m!!!
lou Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 The UK has given £6m, while Tiger Woods has given £3m!!! To be fair Tiger Woods has more money than us. Hes not over 2 Trillion pounds in debt I did think it wasnt a lot in all seriousness though when I heard.
Webbo Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 It kind of ironic though that the countries vilified everyday on this forum are the same countries that are able to assist in not only this but most major disasters around the globe........but I doubt they'll be getting any thanks-especially from the guys on here who regularly try and tell us how evil the yanks are!
BoneDog Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Why should anyone (especially Haiti) thank the US administration for anything? Many US administrations have been responsible for decades of struggle for Haiti right up to this moment in time. EDIT : and I don't talk about how evil Yanks are. Just certain parts of every administration in memory, not the American people. Everyone can see that if they look at the world.
Houdini Logic Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Haiti doesn't need your money or clothes in six months time which believe me, will be when it arrives, at least that's when the money will arrive anyway!It needs the money now and the only organisations able and willing to do this are the UN, USA, Canada and many European countires. As far as I'm aware this is in progress. What more can be done? By the time your money gets to Haiti the corrupt politicains that have run the country into the ground for years will be back in power but they'll be too busy chiseling away at the money, using it to fund their own projects that will enable them to stay in power for even longer. If you think sending your old socks and knickers to Oxfam is going to make a difference then that's up to you but please spare us the lecture. It kind of ironic though that the countries vilified everyday on this forum are the same countries that are able to assist in not only this but most major disasters around the globe ........but I doubt they'll be getting any thanks-especially from the guys on here who regularly try and tell us how evil the yanks are! I wasn't asking anyone to do anything, I wasn't preaching or forcing my opinions on to anyone, so I trust you agree that my comments (because that's what they were) were not in fact lecturing. My gripe with this is that it just isn't news that people are interested in and i think that's tragic (my personal opinion - in case that point hasn't hit home). You raise some valid points - the type of points I think should be discussed and that's my original point. Personally, it's more the lack of trust in charities than in the Haitian government which is the reason behind me sending clothes and I don't agree with you that clothing will not arrive for 6 months - with a death toll due to exceed 100,000 there will be hundreds of thousands of people without a home and basic provisions, so I believe they will be pulling in clothes from all sources. Even if you're correct - there will still be a serious need for clothes in 6 months, only at the end of last year I was reading an article about the amount of people still without homes in New Orleans. How do you rebuild a region after its entire infastructure has collapsed? Do you think attitudes would be different if this happenend in western europe? Is America's quick reaction a genuine gesture or have they learnt from Katrina and this is very much PR? Thoughts on looting and the inevitable shooting of looters? How can countries prepare for this? What warning did they have? The DEC have warned to be aware of scam sites set up to take money for the appeal - what should be done about these? Is sending clothes a waste of time? Who is pledging what and is this acceptable? Does the wider world have all it needs in place to deal with disasters like this? Why are so many of the charities christian - does it make a difference? What must it be like to be in Haiti right now? Do we put different values on people's lives depending on race, religion, location...? I was reading that a number of Americans are trying to adopt Haitian children - is now really the right time? What more can be done? (that's one of yours) These are questions I think are important to discuss/debate, but I think i'm in the minority on this so I guess I will leave it be.
Head Honcho Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Why should anyone (especially Haiti) thank the US administration for anything? Many US administrations have been responsible for decades of struggle for Haiti right up to this moment in time. EDIT : and I don't talk about how evil Yanks are. Just certain parts of every administration in memory, not the American people. Everyone can see that if they look at the world.
BoneDog Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Was just trying to say that Haiti won't thank the US for anything. The reason Haiti has no infrastructure whatsoever to deal with this tragedy is because of rolling US andministrations and the Haitians and many others know it. Patrick Cockburn - The Independent "It is sad to hear journalists who have rushed to Haiti in the wake of the earthquake give such misleading and even racist explanations of why Haitians are so impoverished, living in shanty towns with a minimal health service, little electricity supply, insufficient clean water and roads that are like river beds. This did not happen by accident." "When foreign rescue teams with heavy lifting gear does come it will be too late. No wonder enraged Haitians are building roadblocks out of rocks and dead bodies."
Head Honcho Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Was just trying to say that Haiti won't thank the US for anything. The reason Haiti has no infrastructure whatsoever to deal with this tragedy is because of rolling US andministrations and the Haitians and many others know it.Patrick Cockburn - The Independent "It is sad to hear journalists who have rushed to Haiti in the wake of the earthquake give such misleading and even racist explanations of why Haitians are so impoverished, living in shanty towns with a minimal health service, little electricity supply, insufficient clean water and roads that are like river beds. This did not happen by accident." "When foreign rescue teams with heavy lifting gear does come it will be too late. No wonder enraged Haitians are building roadblocks out of rocks and dead bodies." I've never quite understtod Patrick Cockburn's anti americanism. When you consider that both his brothers and half of his family make quite a comfortable living out there. Maybe he's spent too much time reporting in areas of the globe where they've been seen to be the aggressors for him to take an unbiased approach to his journalism. He quite rightly states that all of the journos out in Haiti are blaming the Hiatian regimes of the past for the sorry state of the country-they can't all be wrong can they?
Guest Mee-9 Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I'd be willing to put money on the only reason Tiger Woods gave money to the Earthquake fund, is to rebuild his reputation.
Orkneyfox Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I am a member of our local Rotary Club here in Orkney and spend an hour or so standing out in the sleet yesterday with a bucket fund raising for the Rotary International Great Britain and Ireland appeal for Haiti. Between us we collected probably £2000 (not all counted yet). I was standing outside Boots when a lady came out of the shop saying "I was going to buy myself something nice but I can't when I hear about all that has happened in Haiti" She then gave me £100. The money goes on practical help through buying Shelterboxes. The ShelterBox Trust is a registered UK charity that provides emergency aid for victims of natural and other disasters anywhere in the world. Since operations began in January 2001, we have helped over 600,000 people and worked in more than 45 countries - responding to earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tsunamis, wars, volcanoes etc. Each box contains a tent and other equipment for 10 people and cost £490: this includes all materials, packing, storage, transport and distribution to individual recipients worldwide. ShelterBox was set up by the Rotary Club of Helston-Lizard and all aid is distributed from their base in Cornwall. The charity is supported by international affiliates set up by Rotary clubs in various other countries, including Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, New Zealand and the USA. An update, the public here donated £4100, (Orkney population 20,000) our Rotary CLub added another £800 that buys 10 shelterboxes ie shelter for 100 people. The Shelterbox charity are on the ground in Haiti already with 3,000 shelterboxes on the way, temporary accomodation for 30,000 people
Webbo Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I'd be willing to put money on the only reason Tiger Woods gave money to the Earthquake fund, is to rebuild his reputation. a) So what if he did? b) He can't have, Radovan's caravan has already told us he's been bumped off.
lou Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Im sure the Haitians wont give a shit why hes giving it (if they ever receive it)
Head Honcho Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I am a member of our local Rotary Club here in Orkney and spend an hour or so standing out in the sleet yesterday with a bucket fund raising for the Rotary International Great Britain and Ireland appeal for Haiti. Between us we collected probably £2000 (not all counted yet). I was standing outside Boots when a lady came out of the shop saying "I was going to buy myself something nice but I can't when I hear about all that has happened in Haiti" She then gave me £100. The money goes on practical help through buying Shelterboxes. The ShelterBox Trust is a registered UK charity that provides emergency aid for victims of natural and other disasters anywhere in the world. Since operations began in January 2001, we have helped over 600,000 people and worked in more than 45 countries - responding to earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tsunamis, wars, volcanoes etc. Each box contains a tent and other equipment for 10 people and cost £490: this includes all materials, packing, storage, transport and distribution to individual recipients worldwide. ShelterBox was set up by the Rotary Club of Helston-Lizard and all aid is distributed from their base in Cornwall. The charity is supported by international affiliates set up by Rotary clubs in various other countries, including Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, New Zealand and the USA. Good on ya mate. I'm sure more people would give if they knew the money was going to be well spent and this does seem like one of the better run charities
BoneDog Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I've never quite understtod Patrick Cockburn's anti americanism.When you consider that both his brothers and half of his family make quite a comfortable living out there. Maybe he's spent too much time reporting in areas of the globe where they've been seen to be the aggressors for him to take an unbiased approach to his journalism. He quite rightly states that all of the journos out in Haiti are blaming the Hiatian regimes of the past for the sorry state of the country-they can't all be wrong can they? To be honest I don't know anything about the Cockburn guy, I only found that article while looking for something else on Haiti earlier. I do think he has a point though. From what I've seen in the past couple of years it seems that Haitis leaders have always had their hands tied by US administrations, the IMF and the World Bank.
James. Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Wary of donating money after hearing of the mess the tsunami fund ended up in (which I donated £50 to). So we've got a few bags of clothes that we're going to look into sending this week assuming we can find a charity or other way of getting them over there.
Edmund Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I am a member of our local Rotary Club here in Orkney and spend an hour or so standing out in the sleet yesterday with a bucket fund raising for the Rotary International Great Britain and Ireland appeal for Haiti. Between us we collected probably £2000 (not all counted yet). I was standing outside Boots when a lady came out of the shop saying "I was going to buy myself something nice but I can't when I hear about all that has happened in Haiti" She then gave me £100. The money goes on practical help through buying Shelterboxes. The ShelterBox Trust is a registered UK charity that provides emergency aid for victims of natural and other disasters anywhere in the world. Since operations began in January 2001, we have helped over 600,000 people and worked in more than 45 countries - responding to earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tsunamis, wars, volcanoes etc. Each box contains a tent and other equipment for 10 people and cost £490: this includes all materials, packing, storage, transport and distribution to individual recipients worldwide. ShelterBox was set up by the Rotary Club of Helston-Lizard and all aid is distributed from their base in Cornwall. The charity is supported by international affiliates set up by Rotary clubs in various other countries, including Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, New Zealand and the USA. Hats off to you mate. :appl: :appl:
Head Honcho Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 To be honest I don't know anything about the Cockburn guy, I only found that article while looking for something else on Haiti earlier.I do think he has a point though. From what I've seen in the past couple of years it seems that Haitis leaders have always had their hands tied by US administrations, the IMF and the World Bank. Political unrest is the reason for Haiti's woes. You just have to look across the border to see what can be achieved. The Dominican Republic is the most visited destination in the Caribbean due I'll grant to US investment but the country has worked hard to secure this investment. US company's aren't going to invest in area's where coup d'etats are commonplace now are they?
lou Posted 18 January 2010 Posted 18 January 2010 Having to carry out operations without Anaesthetic now.
Guest Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 Apparently another one has struck Haiti, west of Port au Prince at about 5.5 on the Richter Scale according to Reuters via 5 Live. Can't find any other reports about it as yet
Daggers Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 Having to carry out operations without Anaesthetic now. 150,000+ dead - and yet still people try to bicker on the internet like it's important. You have to wonder.
lou Posted 25 January 2010 Posted 25 January 2010 150,000+ dead - and yet still people try to bicker on the internet like it's important.You have to wonder. Aye its beyond belief! I cant help thinking of how many poor souls spent days trapped and were never discovered... what a horrible way to die. I have no idea how these people are ever going to rebuild their lives, its just incomprehensible. Wish we could do more than donate a few quid. Certainly puts some perspective on your own "worries"
purpleronnie Posted 25 January 2010 Posted 25 January 2010 I'd be willing to put money on the only reason Tiger Woods gave money to the Earthquake fund, is to rebuild his reputation. It is hard to criticize anyone who gives that amount of money but you have to wonder why it was made public? The celebrity 'concert' on mtv was horrificly bad and celebrities with millions in the bank telling us to donate always me feel a little uneasy. That said I will donate some.
lou Posted 25 January 2010 Posted 25 January 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8477345.stm Now thats nice!
Hethern_Fox Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Shame on the English government!!!!!! the only country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed without eating, elderly going without needed meds, and mentally ill without treatment - yet we donate £50 million to the people of Haiti.
purpleronnie Posted 27 January 2010 Posted 27 January 2010 Shame on the English government!!!!!! the only country where we have homeless without shelter, children going to bed without eating, elderly going without needed meds, and mentally ill without treatment - yet we donate £50 million to the people of Haiti. Won't most countires donate? and doesnt every country have the same problems?
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