Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 THIS is not something written by a dyslexic 12 year old. This is an official website from the Scottish parliament. Is there anyone out there who can read this that couldn't read English? The Scottish Pairlament is here for tae represent aw Scotlan’s folk.We want tae mak siccar that as mony folk as possible can finn oot aboot the Scottish Pairlament. Information anent whit we can dae tae help ye engaige wi the Pairlament gin ye arenae fluent in English can be haen at Langage assistance providit by the Scottish Pairlament (28.5KB pdf). This pairt o the wabsite hauds information anent the Scottish Pairlament that we hae producit in Scots. Uise the link aneath tae find oot mair. Contactin the Scottish Pairlament Gin ye hae a quaistion anent the Scottish Pairlament or the Memmers o the Scottish Pairlament (MSPs), ye can contact the Public Speirins Service in ony leid by post, email or fax. HERE'S one in Ulster-Scot. Isn't it good to know our money's being spent so wisely?
Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Author Posted 24 January 2010 probably costs "you" about 0.000001p a month That's not the point, is it really necessary?
Fox You Forest Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 Tha Carter might be able to help translate.
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 probably costs "you" about 0.000001p a month Aye but he's English and a Tory, he's obliged to have a whinge.
Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Author Posted 24 January 2010 Aye but he's English and a Tory, he's obliged to have a whinge. I am here you know.
Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Author Posted 24 January 2010 Who said that?! You know I got all this off a Hibs forum. They're mainly Scottish and they think it's all boll0x too.
Fosse Boy Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 There is huge debate in the linguistic community about whether Scots is a dialect of English or a separate language entirely, so from that point of view if a government is representing the needs of some of the people it serves (in this case, native speakers of Scots/Scots English) then yes, it probably is necessary.
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 There is huge debate in the linguistic community about whether Scots is a dialect of English or a separate language entirely, so from that point of view if a government is representing the needs of some of the people it serves (in this case, native speakers of Scots/Scots English) then yes, it probably is necessary. Spot on. And, as Flynny says, the realistic cost to the public is pretty minimal if there at all to be honest.
Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Author Posted 24 January 2010 Spot on. And, as Flynny says, the realistic cost to the public is pretty minimal if there at all to be honest. It seems to me to be divisive, creating artificial barriers between people and, just to be pedantic, at Flynnys estimated cost per person it would only cost the country around £70 a year and I'm sure it costs more than that.
davieG Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 So are we going to have Brummie, Geordie, Cockney etc versions as well mi duck?
Zingari Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 So are we going to have Brummie, Geordie, Cockney etc versions as well mi duck? yes i shall demand that my correspondence from leicester council should begin , "ayupmeduck" , not dear sir
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 It seems to me to be divisive, creating artificial barriers between people and, just to be pedantic, at Flynnys estimated cost per person it would only cost the country around £70 a year and I'm sure it costs more than that. Are you one of these moaning sorts that think we should all forget Welsh, Gaelige and Manx, too, and just all become samey, Jack waving clones?
Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Author Posted 24 January 2010 Are you one of these moaning sorts that think we should all forget Welsh, Gaelige and Manx, too, and just all become samey, Jack waving clones? They are actual languages not English with a funny accent.
skinnydipper Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 Neeps and tatties sounds so much better than swedes and potatoes
Zingari Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 They are actual languages not English with a funny accent. dunno why , but this reminds me of when i was on holiday in greece a few years ago and was talking to this bloke at the bar and he was banging on about how the brits just spoke english when abroad , not attempts at the local language , later at the bar he was talking to the waiters in what sounded like greek ,, but as i got closer i found out he was talking in english but with a strong greek accent and talking english the way they did , and he really believed they were impressed
Finnegan Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 They are actual languages not English with a funny accent. Plenty of, what are basically dialects, have some sort of official recognition around the world as languages. I'm not saying it's vital or essential for society to function but I don't really see that there's a massive amount of harm to be had in it, either. You've got to be pretty bored and massively sad for this to be top of your pile of things to have a cry about.
Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Author Posted 24 January 2010 Plenty of, what are basically dialects, have some sort of official recognition around the world as languages.I'm not saying it's vital or essential for society to function but I don't really see that there's a massive amount of harm to be had in it, either. You've got to be pretty bored and massively sad for this to be top of your pile of things to have a cry about. Just because I started a thread about something doesn't mean I'm losing sleep about it, I just thought it was a load of boll0x and maybe that it would make a good subject for discussion. I appreciate that it's not as important as what somebody wrote on facebook or Gordon Ramsey pretending to have a fight on US TV but I thought it was interesting.
Zingari Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 Just because I started a thread about something doesn't mean I'm losing sleep about it, I just thought it was a load of boll0x and maybe that it would make a good subject for discussion. I appreciate that it's not as important as what somebody wrote on facebook or Gordon Ramsey pretending to have a fight on US TV but I thought it was interesting. yes but you watch paint dry for a living
JimmyK Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 To be fair, whilst it does look comically similar to one, it has far more of a case for recognition as a language than most dialects of English. Anyway, this thread reminded me of http://sco.wikipedia.org/ that I stumbled across a while back.
Steven Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 THIS is not something written by a dyslexic 12 year old. This is an official website from the Scottish parliament. Is there anyone out there who can read this that couldn't read English?HERE'S one in Ulster-Scot. Isn't it good to know our money's being spent so wisely? It is in Scot's English. What's the problem? If you cannot understand it then you cannot speak English. If it widens Democracy then so much the better.
Fosse Boy Posted 24 January 2010 Posted 24 January 2010 They are actual languages not English with a funny accent. The basic layman's definition of a language is a collection of mutually intelligible dialects. I'd bet a fair whack that most of us would struggle to understand broad speakers of the Scots dialect, so therefore are they speaking a different language to us? Plus there are loads of boring grammatical variations, a different lexicon etc. that make it more than just "English with a funny accent".
Webbo Posted 24 January 2010 Author Posted 24 January 2010 It is in Scot's English. What's the problem? If you cannot understand it then you cannot speak English. If it widens Democracy then so much the better. I can understand it that's the point. How this widens democracy I don't understand. If there was a bunch of English nationalists insisting that all official documents were produced in ancient anglo saxon then the people on here defending this nonsense would ridicule them and quite rightly call them racists. Like I've said earlier it's boll0x.
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