Guest Bilo Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 do you have any evidence to disprove this? I'm basing it on what I've seen today, the crap I've read on EDL forums and personal dealings I've had with Muslims I'm pleased to call friends. I'd rather have 1,000 of the latter in Leicester than 1 EDL member based on what I've seen today.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 When i say charade about extremism, i mean exactly what you mean about the smokescreen point. Fair enough and apologies about the 'you' comments, you actually seem reasonable enough, but the same can't be said for the other guy. 'But are you racist to care about your country and worry about your safety in your own country?' - as for that, no. But i'd say once you start directing that entirely towards one religion, without just reason, at that point, yes, it makes you a racist - again, if that's not what you're about then no problems here. Fundamentally, i disagree with the idea that the EDL is about fighting extremism. As i mentioned earlier, the view that seems to be promoted completely across their facebook page (by admins too) is one of hating Islam in general, not extremism. And again a point i made earlier, if that isn't the case (as this other chump claims), why isn't the EDL taking steps to distance themselves from the actions of those who are clearly all about fooking up as many Muslims as possible? It's not even a lack of that, the EDL seems to be celebrating what those people did - and that gives me enough reason to think the whole extremism thing is just a smokescreen. No its not purely about Muslims. I go to a few england games here and there belt the anti IRA songs out and sing the no surrender bit during the national anthem! It has to be said though, the fact is that the terror attacks that have happened around the world in the last decade have all been from Muslim extremists. (apart from ETA- Spains equivalent to the IRA) Therefore, the problem nowadays lies with the Muslim extremists, rather than any other religion (thoough the IRA seem to be making a few headlines again) I don't think me saying that is racist, I think it just takes someone reasonable enough to understand the facts, and be mature enough to say it as it is, without kicking off and yelling racist
Guest lcfc80 Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 I'm basing it on what I've seen today, the crap I've read on EDL forums and personal dealings I've had with Muslims I'm pleased to call friends. I'd rather have 1,000 of the latter in Leicester than 1 EDL member based on what I've seen today. a big NO then
RedHux Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Ah yes, that famously tolerant group of individuals, the plastic Loyalist. \you do realise that you are presenting a textbook image of racist thug football fan? You may not be, I don't know, but you are rather coming over that way.
blueharmie Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 I'm basing it on what I've seen today, the crap I've read on EDL forums and personal dealings I've had with Muslims I'm pleased to call friends. I'd rather have 1,000 of the latter in Leicester than 1 EDL member based on what I've seen today. ok lefty back to your student pub.
RedHux Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 a big NO then You do realise you can't prove a negative don't you. You can't prove that god isn't call Mohamed for example. ...or George, or steven or that he even exists.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 How do you know that the community knew about a bomb plot? Facts now, not stories or anecdotes. Facts. it was in all the police reports and resulting reports following the investigation which is all out there in the public domain but if you think im running around at gone midnight on a saturday to find it all for you, yeah, right oh
Guest Bilo Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 a big NO then There is an absolute wealth of evidence to show that the EDL are a racist and Islamophobic organisation, that I had the misfortune to see at close quarters today. Look on their forums, look on YouTube, look at their members making Nazi salutes and proudly displaying their SS tattoos if you don't believe it. Open your mind, it'll work wonders. There won't be too much evidence to suggest that a majority of Muslims want Sharia in this country for the very good reason that it's sensationalist, tabloid shit. Muslims generally want to live in peace, the EDL want to crack heads.
Bugg Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 I feel we should stand up to the Forest extremists coming onto our forums and terrorising us defensless Leicester fans. FT FT FTDL! Only joking RedHux
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Ah yes, that famously tolerant group of individuals, the plastic Loyalist. \you do realise that you are presenting a textbook image of racist thug football fan? You may not be, I don't know, but you are rather coming over that way. Plastic Loyalist? I had mates who were killed for being Protestant. I take it you yourself are one of these johnny come lately football fans. Face paint and scarf. Won't sing the national anthem as you dont want to offend other people. Did you complain about the fosse boys making too much noise? Personally I couldnt give a monkeys what anyone on here thought of me. I'd rather be who I am than who some on here try to be
Guest Bilo Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 ok lefty back to your student pub. OH COS I AIN'T IN DA EDL I MUST BE A LEFTY! LOOLZ I GOT PWNED! YOU IS BARE FUNNY!
Guest bennytwohats Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 No its not purely about Muslims. I go to a few england games here and there belt the anti IRA songs out and sing the no surrender bit during the national anthem! It has to be said though, the fact is that the terror attacks that have happened around the world in the last decade have all been from Muslim extremists. (apart from ETA- Spains equivalent to the IRA) Therefore, the problem nowadays lies with the Muslim extremists, rather than any other religion (thoough the IRA seem to be making a few headlines again) I don't think me saying that is racist, I think it just takes someone reasonable enough to understand the facts, and be mature enough to say it as it is, without kicking off and yelling racist Again, fair points. But do you really think that the EDL are dealing with that in the most appropriate way? They're an absolute joke as far are there existence as a political entity is concerned - and we saw that today, mindless thuggery. I struggle to see how defending these people is reasonable. Its a approaching a different problem in the same fashion. Not fighting it.
RedHux Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 I shall impose slick and passing football! I shall insist on self destruction in the play offs of monumental proportions! You must always mention history like it was last week. It is the forest way. Clough be upon you.
Bugg Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 OH COS I AIN'T IN DA EDL I MUST BE A LEFTY! LOOLZ I GOT PWNED! YOU IS BARE FUNNY! Lefty.
RedHux Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Plastic Loyalist? I had mates who were killed for being Protestant. I take it you yourself are one of these johnny come lately football fans. Face paint and scarf. Won't sing the national anthem as you dont want to offend other people. Did you complain about the fosse boys making too much noise? Personally I couldnt give a monkeys what anyone on here thought of me. I'd rather be who I am than who some on here try to be Ireland is a different story, one I'm well versed in. I didn't complain about the fosse boys. I can't hear them we're I'm sat, but I whole heartedly approve of their existence and what the're trying to do. Are you affiliated with them in any way? Johnny come lately, nah. I've even been to Filbert street 3 or 4 times.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 There is an absolute wealth of evidence to show that the EDL are a racist and Islamophobic organisation, that I had the misfortune to see at close quarters today. Look on their forums, look on YouTube, look at their members making Nazi salutes and proudly displaying their SS tattoos if you don't believe it. Open your mind, it'll work wonders. There won't be too much evidence to suggest that a majority of Muslims want Sharia in this country for the very good reason that it's sensationalist, tabloid shit. Muslims generally want to live in peace, the EDL want to crack heads. if you want to believe everything you read on the internet then fair plays. I can assume you nearly spunked up when you saw the pcture of the skin head a few months back doing the sieg heil. it turns out that this fella was a plant by UAF so you can see not everything is (no pun intended) black and white
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Again, fair points. But do you really think that the EDL are dealing with that in the most appropriate way? They're an absolute joke as far are there existence as a political entity is concerned - and we saw that today, mindless thuggery. I struggle to see how defending these people is reasonable. Its a approaching a different problem in the same fashion. Not fighting it. Not being funny, but I can't remember whether or not I've said I agreed with the EDL or what they do etc. No the EDL doing what they do today will not win them over any new fans. Its also not the best way to go about it regardless. I do honestly think though that SOME members are really actually quite worried about the safety of the country. And if theres anyone in this country who isn't worried then theyre in cloud cuckoo land. *Likewise if theres anyone who condones demonstrating when the lads are marching through the cities etc then they deserve to be blown up in the next terrorist attack. The problem is, this is the only realistic thing they can do now. The government have gone too far down the line to be able to turn back * Sorry I didnt make it cear, I mean when our soldiers are marching through the cities and those kind of people were protesting in Luton. Wasnt referring to the EDL marching through cities
Guest lcfc80 Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Again, fair points. But do you really think that the EDL are dealing with that in the most appropriate way? They're an absolute joke as far are there existence as a political entity is concerned - and we saw that today, mindless thuggery. I struggle to see how defending these people is reasonable. Its a approaching a different problem in the same fashion. Not fighting it. what other way were they supposed to take? under the last labour government you couldnt say jack shit about any issue reguarding race, nationality or religion. And no one best even argue that one as I have gordon brown's bigotgate as exhibit number 1
The Year Of The Fox Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Ireland is a different story, one I'm well versed in. I didn't complain about the fosse boys. I can't hear them we're I'm sat, but I whole heartedly approve of their existence and what the're trying to do. Are you affiliated with them in any way? Johnny come lately, nah. I've even been to Filbert street 3 or 4 times. No I'm not. I don't mind what theyre trying to do, but need to stick to the old school chants- Yes, the chants dating back from when I was in my prime of football hooliganism!
RedHux Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Ok then, why do you think it is that the EDL attracts so many men from a football "hooligan" background? Do the two groups share political ideals do you think? I'm genuinely curious.
bluefox9er Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 I agree that there are some extremist groups in Islam but the people who start these groups are not really Muslims (an obvious example Bin Laden aka Tim Osman). Alot of the people they get in their groups are Muslims but the plans are always started by intelligence agency assetts like Bin Laden or 'Tim Osman' as he used to be known. Also, the top folks in the Taliban used to be backed by Clinton et al and were even shown around Mount Rushmore and other tourist sites in the US when invited over there for planning and whatever else they were up to. Clinton also gave them quite alot of dollars (a few years before 9/11) to help them along with their subjugation of Afghanis. There are many examples of extremist groups who were heavily backed by US/Israeli/British agencies. Even Hamas was created by Israel, but not for the reasons they say. And proper Muslims don't use 'no comment' as an excuse. They do speak out and have had many demonstrations against extremism. These demos don't get on the news or in the papers though (for some strange reason) so I suppose that people don't get to hear about them. Sorry. i don't buy this conspiracy bollocks about non muslims pretending to be islamic radicals on Youtube spouting off hate any more than I believe someone tipped off jews not to go to work on the morning of 11th september 2001 at the world trade centre. The Taliban did make a very public state visit to the united states, so what if they went to south dakota to visit mount rushmore? Almost every single post terror event I have seen so far, no one representing nom-radical Islam has ever wanted to say anything remotely accusatory about the perpetrators. Until this internal wall of almost uniform silence and denial stops and muslims realise protecting the terrorists within causes nothing but unjust resent to ordinary, peaceful and harmonious muslims ,who are a wonderful and welcome addition to any community they choose to settle in. I'm afraid this is a problem that muslims need to resolve, and resolve soon if they wish to play any sort of role in a progressive, harmonious and multi cultural community without the smoke screen of blaming thugs like the EDL for their self inflicted victimisation.
Guest lcfc80 Posted 9 October 2010 Posted 9 October 2010 Ok then, why do you think it is that the EDL attracts so many men from a football "hooligan" background? Do the two groups share political ideals do you think? I'm genuinely curious. why dont you ask them
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