EDL (English Defence League)

[Guest Bilo]

so extreme muslms dont want sharia law in the uk then

A tiny, insignificant minority.

Shunned by most sensible Muslims.

Using the Muslims who participated in that sick demo to judge all Muslims by is like using the NF to judge all white English people by. You're taking an incredibly small and marginalised group as some kind of representative for a community that actually largely thinks they're twats.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I'm astonished that we still have to fill forms in with a black pen, to be honest. How offensive that must be!

I'm not sure who your trying to ridicule (if anyone)

The ironic thing is, things like that happen don't they? OK they'll never ban black ink, but some of the PC terms and phrases used now would've been thought of as just as outrageous

[Koke]

so extreme muslms dont want sharia law in the uk then

There are minority cunts in every rank. What's your point? There are an equal amount of mini-Nick Griffins milling around out there, but that does not mean Britain is an xenophobic intolerant nation. Far from it.

98% of Muslims just want to live in peace. The other 2% are trouble makers who make all the headlines.

[Guest bennytwohats]

No, you're missing the point. Of course extremism is bad, i'd never try to argue against that. But come off it, the edl are about hating muslims. Not muslim extremists.

If you genuinely believe that the edl is just about fighting extremism, and that's all there is to it, then fair enough, no quarrels here. My point is that it's fooking obvious that that's not what it's about, it's what they say it's about so people such as yourselves have half a leg to stand on in debates such as these.

If you think Christianity is squeeky clean then you really need to educate yourself a bit better. What about the spread of aids in africa or fooking young alter boys for starters? Let's not even start on the crusades and the persecution that christianity has to answer for in the past...

And numbers or extent aside, if you guys are all about your principles then that shouldn't matter. It's there in black and white, right?

It's besides the point anyway, which is you can't take the actions of an extremist and then use that to justify actions to someone who isn't an extremist across the board. It's not fooking rocket science.

Aside, if you honestly think that it's a minority of the edl who are dealing out this shit to muslims across the board, and not just extremists, then if you're group cares about it's message i'm sure they would be distancing themselves from what this 'minority' did today, but they're not, they're celebrating it instead.

Again, you're kidding nobody here, and ocne we move past the charade of extremism your arguments don't stand up at all...

[Guest bennytwohats]

A tiny, insignificant minority.

Shunned by most sensible Muslims.

Using the Muslims who participated in that sick demo to judge all Muslims by is like using the NF to judge all white English people by. You're taking an incredibly small and marginalised group as some kind of representative for a community that actually largely thinks they're twats.

Basically this. You put it more elegantly than i managed so it's quoted instead.

[RedHux]

I'm not sure who your trying to ridicule (if anyone)

The ironic thing is, things like that happen don't they? OK they'll never ban black ink, but some of the PC terms and phrases used now would've been thought of as just as outrageous

I for one hate that christmas is now winterval, and we have to sing baa baa differently coloured sheep.

Also, I hate not being able to use pejorative terms when referencing peoples of different appearance to me. It's PC gone mad I tells you!

[Guest lcfc80]

A tiny, insignificant minority.

Shunned by most sensible Muslims.

Using the Muslims who participated in that sick demo to judge all Muslims by is like using the NF to judge all white English people by. You're taking an incredibly small and marginalised group as some kind of representative for a community that actually largely thinks they're twats.

just like the EDL with not all members 'hating pakis' etc

[Guest Bilo]

I for one hate that christmas is now winterval, and we have to sing baa baa differently coloured sheep.

Also, I hate not being able to use pejorative terms when referencing peoples of different appearance to me. It's PC gone mad I tells you!

That's not the only thing you sing about the Sheep.

Fucking Derbyist, take your poison elsewhere. <_<

PS: I too hate not being able to racially abuse perfect strangers for a laugh. What's the world coming to? These coloureds are taking over!

[Guest lcfc80]

My point is that it's fooking obvious that that's not what it's about, it's what they say it's about so people such as yourselves have half a leg to stand on in debates such as these.

hows it obvious? how many of the EDL have you personally spoken to? or have you just read the guardian and searchlight?

[The Year Of The Fox]

No, you're missing the point. Of course extremism is bad, i'd never try to argue against that. But come off it, the edl are about hating muslims. Not muslim extremists.

If you genuinely believe that the edl is just about fighting extremism, and that's all there is to it, then fair enough, no quarrels here. My point is that it's fooking obvious that that's not what it's about, it's what they say it's about so people such as yourselves have half a leg to stand on in debates such as these.

If you think Christianity is squeeky clean then you really need to educate yourself a bit better. What about the spread of aids in africa or fooking young alter boys for starters? Let's not even start on the crusades and the persecution that christianity has to answer for in the past...

And numbers or extent aside, if you guys are all about your principles then that shouldn't matter. It's there in black and white, right?

It's besides the point anyway, which is you can't take the actions of an extremist and then use that to justify actions to someone who isn't an extremist across the board. It's not fooking rocket science.

Aside, if you honestly think that it's a minority of the edl who are dealing out this shit to muslims across the board, and not just extremists, then if you're group cares about it's message i'm sure they would be distancing themselves from what this 'minority' did today, but they're not, they're celebrating it instead.

Again, you're kidding nobody here, and ocne we move past the charade of extremism your arguments don't stand up at all...

Why all this reference to 'you'

Who are 'we'??

I take it you're assuming me and the other lad are in the EDL? Can't speak on his behalf, but I know I'm certainly not. Please don't tell me your another of these people who post, trying to make out they're whiter than white, look down on us for so called 'sterotyping' (just because we disagree with you) yet you have the naivety to prejudge the fact that just because we don't share the same views, were racist or EDL members??

Is there a charade in extremism? Did 9/11 not happen then?

I agree though, I'd say some people in the EDL hide behind a smokescreen of 'fighting muslim extrmists' when all they may actually want to do and care about is go 'muslim bashing'

I don't know if my posts get overlooked or if no-one bothers arguing back because they know I'm right.

But are you racist to care about your country and worry about your safety in your own country?

I genuinely believe perhaps 30% of people who are left wing orientated or left have left wing views on this subject are having those views merely to jump on the bandwagon.

[Guest Bilo]

just like the EDL with not all members 'hating pakis' etc

So what you're saying is that an EDL member is as likely to be racist as an average Muslim is to want Sharia in this country. What evidence are you basing this on?

[RedHux]

That's not the only thing you sing about the Sheep.

Fucking Derbyist, take your poison elsewhere. <_<

PS: I too hate not being able to racially abuse perfect strangers for a laugh. What's the world coming to? These coloureds are taking over!

Yea, but y'know what those sheep are like. The're all the same, they want to impose bland percentage football on all teams and even worse then that, the're phasing out travelling to away games! You'll be next, you wait and see.

I'm planning to stand in the centre of Long Eaton and having a bit of a sing song. That'll show them.

[Guest Bilo]

Yea, but y'know what those sheep are like. The're all the same, they want to impose bland percentage football on all teams and even worse then that, the're phasing out travelling to away games! You'll be next, you wait and see.

I'm planning to stand in the centre of Long Eaton and having a bit of a sing song. That'll show them.

I can see that making a huge difference.

You going to the anti-Stoke march in Doncaster next international break? We'll show all these dull clubs how shit goes down.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I for one hate that christmas is now winterval, and we have to sing baa baa differently coloured sheep.

Also, I hate not being able to use pejorative terms when referencing peoples of different appearance to me. It's PC gone mad I tells you!

Be careful, saying that on here makes you racist you know

[Koke]

This image tells it's own story.........

[AoWW]

I'm not sure who your trying to ridicule (if anyone)

The ironic thing is, things like that happen don't they? OK they'll never ban black ink, but some of the PC terms and phrases used now would've been thought of as just as outrageous

Er, not really, no. I find that generally the word black is still commonplace in my day to day vocabulary and I don't have a coronary every time I have to use it for fear I may have offended someone.

Perhaps you could give some examples of these 'outrageous' PC terms and phrases... because I'm struggling to think of more than one or two that have become accepted as the norm and I sense that you're over-exaggerating the issue somewhat.

[Guest lcfc80]

So what you're saying is that an EDL member is as likely to be racist as an average Muslim is to want Sharia in this country. What evidence are you basing this on?

do you have any evidence to disprove this?

[RedHux]

Be careful, saying that on here makes you racist you know

Took you quite a while to look up "pejorative".

...also....

[Guest bennytwohats]

Why all this reference to 'you'

Who are 'we'??

I take it you're assuming me and the other lad are in the EDL? Can't speak on his behalf, but I know I'm certainly not. Please don't tell me your another of these people who post, trying to make out they're whiter than white, look down on us for so called 'sterotyping' (just because we disagree with you) yet you have the naivety to prejudge the fact that just because we don't share the same views, were racist or EDL members??

Is there a charade in extremism? Did 9/11 not happen then?

I agree though, I'd say some people in the EDL hide behind a smokescreen of 'fighting muslim extrmists' when all they may actually want to do and care about is go 'muslim bashing'

I don't know if my posts get overlooked or if no-one bothers arguing back because they know I'm right.

But are you racist to care about your country and worry about your safety in your own country?

I genuinely believe perhaps 30% of people who are left wing orientated or left have left wing views on this subject are having tose views merely to jump on the bandwagon.

No, you're missing the point. Of course extremism is bad, i'd never try to argue against that. But come off it, the edl are about hating muslims. Not muslim extremists.

If you genuinely believe that the edl is just about fighting extremism, and that's all there is to it, then fair enough, no quarrels here. My point is that it's fooking obvious that that's not what it's about, it's what they say it's about so people such as yourselves have half a leg to stand on in debates such as these.

If you think Christianity is squeeky clean then you really need to educate yourself a bit better. What about the spread of aids in africa or fooking young alter boys for starters? Let's not even start on the crusades and the persecution that christianity has to answer for in the past...

And numbers or extent aside, if you guys are all about your principles then that shouldn't matter. It's there in black and white, right?

It's besides the point anyway, which is you can't take the actions of an extremist and then use that to justify actions to someone who isn't an extremist across the board. It's not fooking rocket science.

Aside, if you honestly think that it's a minority of the edl who are dealing out this shit to muslims across the board, and not just extremists, then if you're group cares about it's message i'm sure they would be distancing themselves from what this 'minority' did today, but they're not, they're celebrating it instead.

Again, you're kidding nobody here, and ocne we move past the charade of extremism your arguments don't stand up at all...

When i say charade about extremism, i mean exactly what you mean about the smokescreen point.

Fair enough and apologies about the 'you' comments, you actually seem reasonable enough, but the same can't be said for the other guy.

'But are you racist to care about your country and worry about your safety in your own country?' - as for that, no. But i'd say once you start directing that entirely towards one religion, without just reason, at that point, yes, it makes you a racist - again, if that's not what you're about then no problems here.

Fundamentally, i disagree with the idea that the EDL is about fighting extremism. As i mentioned earlier, the view that seems to be promoted completely across their facebook page (by admins too) is one of hating Islam in general, not extremism. And again a point i made earlier, if that isn't the case (as this other chump claims), why isn't the EDL taking steps to distance themselves from the actions of those who are clearly all about fooking up as many Muslims as possible?

It's not even a lack of that, the EDL seems to be celebrating what those people did - and that gives me enough reason to think the whole extremism thing is just a smokescreen.

[Samilktray]

If these EDL manz are dat concerned wif protecting dere country why don't dey join da army or someting

Pussyoles dan.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Er, not really, no. I find that generally the word black is still commonplace in my day to day vocabulary and I don't have a coronary every time I have to use it for fear I may have offended someone.

Perhaps you could give some examples of these 'outrageous' PC terms and phrases... because I'm struggling to think of more than one or two that have become accepted as the norm and I sense that you're over-exaggerating the issue somewhat.

I wasn't just referring to race here. I certainly don't have a coronary if I use the word black.

As said before the Xmas thing etc

A friend of our family was a PE teaher at a school in Tamworth. He very nearly lost his job; When running his girls football team, the other side had a throw in, one girl who happned to be black was unmarked. All he did was shout 'mark the black girl' As he said to me it was alot easier for him to say that rather than the girl with dreadlocks in her hair for example. (he couldnt see the number on the back of her shirt either)

This bloke was a former officer in the marines. Hardly one renowned for racism.

What about the BBC using the word 'chair' rather than 'chairman/woman'

What about the councils that were pushing for COSG flags to be taken down during the world cup for fear of upsetting other nationalities?

What about there being 'an association of black police' Why isn't there an association of white police?

Just a few off the top of my head

[acooling08]

The truth is, although not all muslims are terrorists, they are all an ignornat, intolerant and basically evil religion.

Where muslim populations increase in numbers in a country, it is inevitable that they will increasingly push their bullshit practices on the primary culture. As they increase, they demand disgusting halal, complain about everything that even mocks them in the slightest, and as their population reaches over 10%, they tend to become lawless (car burnings in paris, russian schools attacked). We all know what countries with majority islamic populations are like. Sharia law, stonings, attacks on other religions, and so on. Uncivilised cvnts.

Quran Sura 2:161 - On unbelievers is the curse of Allah

Make War on them until Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8.39

Yes, the EDL are scum. But if I had to choose between Islam and the EDL then I have to say E E E D L.

[foxoffderby]

My two pennies worth

I can understand what the EDL are trying to do and why they are doing it.

But the way they are doing is wrong, they aren't useing their brains. Its more their fists.

Their real enemy is the the likes of Anjum Choudery and is followers. What Choudery et al are doing is using their brains and playing the system. Choudery from what I understand is a trained lawyer and despite this claims every benefit under the sun. He and his minnions will go the very extreame of the law and stand on the line and sometimes put their big toe over that line. Hence their demos at our troops coming back from war etc. Im sure they may even play the race card if they know the've gone too far.

Anyway im sure he is watched 24hrs a day and is bugged etc, by our secret services he will get his one day mark my words.

What the EDL should be doing is playing them at their own game which is to beat them by playing the system unfortunely because of this countries liberal laws under Blair this country is now the laughing stock of the world.

The EDL will achieve nothing by acting out scenes from Green Street especially when they target the weak and innocent. But the law is against them so their frustration boils over to what we've scene today. They are also joined by some hangerson who just want to go out paki bashing like they did when they were teens in the 70's and 80's.

What they need to do is try to change the laws of this country and try and let common sense prevail eg become more like Australia and be very picky in who we let in have stricter border petrols. What we need is to embrace core values and try to make this country great again.

The immigrants and other second generation Muslims need to some how become less allienated in this country they need to integrate with the host community and stop living in their own little worlds mix more. They need to look at Hindus and Sikhs who have also been emigrating here and ask why are they more affilated with the host community? and not us

The EDL need to realise not everyone with a brown face is the enemy.

As for the lad who was chased in Highfields I feel for you but I can understand why it happend Im not saying its right but maybe why. These guys live and were probably born and bred in Highfields when you see a bunch of guys (EDL) coming to where you live and wanting a fight your gonna hit back. Unfortunatly for you and your friends your in the wrong place at the wrong time, they were just defending their patch from EDL. You guys got tarnished with the same brush. I bet next week if you go down there again nothing will happen to you.

What the fook has happened to my Leicester, Im quite sad tonite this country is fooked and its the people who run it are to blame not the average bloke living in Braunstone, Coleville or the shop keeper trying to run his business in Highfields. The recession does not help either people of all brackgrounds are suffering unemployment is high debts are growing people have become disillusioned. They are clinging on to what they have and its hurting them to see newbies taking their housing and jobs etc. What we need to do is start providing people with jobs and a decent wage and give them hope.

Its the previous Goverments which have fooked this country until we sort that this shit is gonna keep hapening City to City town to town

Disclaimer: I dont give a shit about EDL or Muslims just a guy trying to make my way in this world.

[Guest lcfc80]

When i say charade about extremism, i mean exactly what you mean about the smokescreen point.

Fair enough and apologies about the 'you' comments, you actually seem reasonable enough, but the same can't be said for the other guy.

'But are you racist to care about your country and worry about your safety in your own country?' - as for that, no. But i'd say once you start directing that entirely towards one religion, without just reason, at that point, yes, it makes you a racist - again, if that's not what you're about then no problems here.

Fundamentally, i disagree with the idea that the EDL is about fighting extremism. As i mentioned earlier, the view that seems to be promoted completely across their facebook page (by admins too) is one of hating Islam in general, not extremism. And again a point i made earlier, if that isn't the case (as this other chump claims), why isn't the EDL taking steps to distance themselves from the actions of those who are clearly all about fooking up as many Muslims as possible?

It's not even a lack of that, the EDL seems to be celebrating what those people did - and that gives me enough reason to think the whole extremism thing is just a smokescreen.

i take it you are referring to me as the 'other guy' and 'clump' ? how can a group such as the EDL dstance themselves from racist hangers on'ers? its like me saying the same about islamc terrorists. and if the islamic communnity arent behind the extremists why did not ONE member come forward when many people in the local muslim community knew about the 7/11 bomb plot?

[RedHux]

How do you know that the community knew about a bomb plot?

Facts now, not stories or anecdotes. Facts.