Is Homosexuality Abnormal?

[Guest BlueBrett]

Elton & David have a baby, now that is abnormal and wrong.

Yup. Even all the gay people I know (4) think that gay couples adopting is wrong.

[Finnegan]

Yup. Even all the gay people I know (4) think that gay couples adopting is wrong.

I call bullshit.

[Guest BlueBrett]

I call bullshit.

You can call it but that doesn't make it so. One of them was one of my best mates at uni and we discussed things like this on numerous occasions. He was dead against same sex adoption on the grounds that it is basically just selfishness on the part of the 'parents' with little thought given to the well being of the child.

[FoxyPV]

You can call it but that doesn't make it so. One of them was one of my best mates at uni and we discussed things like this on numerous occasions. He was dead against same sex adoption on the grounds that it is basically just selfishness on the part of the 'parents' with little thought given to the well being of the child.

How is it any different to any prospective adoptive parents?

[Zingari]

i always thought the certainty of not having kids was one of the benefits of poofery

[Finnegan]

You can call it but that doesn't make it so. One of them was one of my best mates at uni and we discussed things like this on numerous occasions. He was dead against same sex adoption on the grounds that it is basically just selfishness on the part of the 'parents' with little thought given to the well being of the child.

How is it any different to any prospective adoptive parents?

Or any prospective "natural" parents?

Children / babies don't pick their parents at any stage of life, they find themselves where they are because somebody wanted to have and raise a child.

I'd rather be raised by a happy, balanced LGBT couple than some chav princess and her hetero-hero boyfriend. Traditional gender roles are dead or, at very least, dying. You can learn the principals of being a good, well rounded person from man or woman, and what else is really important in parenting?

It's the twenty first century. Do we really still insist on having a male and female presence in the home to raise a child? My inner feminist is dubious.

[Guest BlueBrett]

How is it any different to any prospective adoptive parents?

This wasn't my argument it was his but he claimed that it was because kids are mean and a kid who has "two daddy's" will inevitably be teased at school whereas kids adopted by conventional families will just be thought of like everyone else. Plus he argued from a psychological perspective that just because the modern adult world has the maturity to be accepting of gay couples it doesn't make it right for a child to be brought up in that environment because they have no choice in the matter and nobody knows how it will (might) affect them.

[Finnegan]

This wasn't my argument it was his but he claimed that it was because kids are mean and a kid who has "two daddy's" will inevitably be teased at school whereas kids adopted by conventional families will just be thought of like everyone else. Plus he argued from a psychological perspective that just because the modern adult world has the maturity to be accepting of gay couples it doesn't make it right for a child to be brought up in that environment because they have no choice in the matter and nobody knows how it will (might) affect them.

Kids either get picked on or they don't. Would you stop ethnic minorities having children on the off chance their kids might encounter racism at school? Or gingers? Or short people? Or people with a history of family short sightedness?

You don't get to pick your parents, ever, end of. If you did then Bill Gates would have about five billion offspring. Some lives are hard, some people aren't suitable parents and they have children. Some people aren't suitable parents and they're allowed to foster or adopt.

I just fail to see how sexuality can or should affect the decision making process in a contemporary environment. Your friend is either a lazy figment of your imagination to cover fairly thinly veiled prejudice or sounds like an immensely immature young man.

[Zingari]

Kids either get picked on or they don't. Would you stop ethnic minorities having children on the off chance their kids might encounter racism at school? Or gingers? Or short people? Or people with a history of family short sightedness?

You don't get to pick your parents, ever, end of. If you did then Bill Gates would have about five billion offspring. Some lives are hard, some people aren't suitable parents and they have children. Some people aren't suitable parents and they're allowed to foster or adopt.

I just fail to see how sexuality can or should affect the decision making process in a contemporary environment. Your friend is either a lazy figment of your imagination to cover fairly thinly veiled prejudice or sounds like an immensely immature young man.

yes and possibly

[Finnegan]

yes and possibly

Well alright, I'll give you gingers.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Kids either get picked on or they don't. Would you stop ethnic minorities having children on the off chance their kids might encounter racism at school? Or gingers? Or short people? Or people with a history of family short sightedness?

You don't get to pick your parents, ever, end of. If you did then Bill Gates would have about five billion offspring. Some lives are hard, some people aren't suitable parents and they have children. Some people aren't suitable parents and they're allowed to foster or adopt.

I just fail to see how sexuality can or should affect the decision making process in a contemporary environment. Your friend is either a lazy figment of your imagination to cover fairly thinly veiled prejudice or sounds like an immensely immature young man.

My friend is real, is really gay and is at least as deserving of an opinion on the subject as you.

It is your argument that is the immature one. You are making comparisons which you know to have nothing to do with the actual issue. Of course people shouldn't be 'stopped' from having children. Gay couples who adopt are not 'having' children they are choosing to take ones that already exit into their protection and obviously there have to be guidelines about who can do so. You can't stop a bloke with a crimminal record from having kids but you can stop him from adopting on the grounds that he does not conform to an ideal of what is suitable. The argument is not that being gay makes somebody unfit to be a parent. It is why should some bureaucrat have the authority to decide that a given child is going to have an uncoventional upbringing while another in the state's care is to be brought up coventionally? Sure you can't chose your parents, but it is entirely different for somebody to impose an unconventional life on you that has nothing to do with your biological destiny.

[BoneDog]

How is it any different to any prospective adoptive parents?

I think that the kids involved will have to go through ten years of being bullied, punched, kicked and verbally abused in their school life. Unfortunately that's just the way it goes for some reason. That's only my opinion because of seeing kids at my school who had a gay uncle or something get that treatment, but I suspect that's the norm.

This sort of stuff most likely won't affect Elton and Dave's adopted kid but to anyone else in the common world it would imo.

[BoneDog]

My friend is real, is really gay and is at least as deserving of an opinion on the subject as you.

I used to know one of those. He doesn't walk around inside his house - he skips.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Exactly. Just because you dont have any prejudices it doesn't excuse you from being so stupid as to believe that they dont exist and wont have an impact on the real children involved.

[Zingari]

the global elite / nwo/ illuminati are behind it all

it's all a big plot to homogenise us all and lower populations

http://www.savethemales.ca/samesex_adoption_is_child_abus.html

[Guest BlueBrett]

I used to know one of those. He doesn't walk around inside his house - he skips.

I think they prefer the verb 'to mince'

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Or any prospective "natural" parents?

Children / babies don't pick their parents at any stage of life, they find themselves where they are because somebody wanted to have and raise a child.

I'd rather be raised by a happy, balanced LGBT couple than some chav princess and her hetero-hero boyfriend. Traditional gender roles are dead or, at very least, dying. You can learn the principals of being a good, well rounded person from man or woman, and what else is really important in parenting?

It's the twenty first century. Do we really still insist on having a male and female presence in the home to raise a child? My inner feminist is dubious.

**** me. You don't half spout some lefty nonsense on here. Do you really think that traditional gender roles are dead? I am proud to be heterosexual. Good well rounded bollocks. As Frankie Boyle said 'political correctness used to be called spastic gay talk'.

I tell you now it is not normal as 2 men can not make a baby together. If you are gay, you are gay fair enough but do not try to pretend that 2 males (or females) as parents is normal because it is not.

[Zingari]

tell it like it is Zaphod

[Finnegan]

The argument is not that being gay makes somebody unfit to be a parent.

Yes it is, that's pretty much all it is. What the fuck is a "conventional" up-bringing these days? And, what, denial of biological destiny!? You think otherwise heterosexual kids are going to be raised, against their will, as raving Graham Nortons because there was an "unconvential" balance of chromosomes in their upbringing? Christ alive.

Do you really think that traditional gender roles are dead?

Yes. There may still be families and individuals that conform to traditional archetypes but they aren't societal expectations anymore, are they? It isn't expected that The Woman will stay at home, cook and clean while The Man plays breadwinner. Nor is it believed by a wide majority that you need a man to discipline your boy or a woman's presence to make your daughter a lady.

It's 2010, not 1940. There are infinitely more single parent families, teenage parent families, mixed class families, mixed culture families, divorcees, kids with three, four, five parental figures. The idea of any kind of "conventional," "normal" or "standard" family unit is a complete and total joke.

So what the **** makes a same-sex couple with a child any more abnormal?

[Guest BlueBrett]

Yes it is, that's pretty much all it is. What the **** is a "conventional" up-bringing these days? And, what, denial of biological destiny!? You think otherwise heterosexual kids are going to be raised, against their will, as raving Graham Nortons because there was an "unconvential" balance of chromosomes in their upbringing? Christ alive.

Sorry I didn't realise you had resolved the nature vs. nurture debate single handed.

You should write up your findings. You'll make a mint and go down in history too.

[Finnegan]

Sorry I didn't realise you had resolved the nature vs. nurture debate single handed.

You should write up your findings. You'll make a mint and go down in history too.

If you put your stock in biological destiny then I'd say you've got your mind up that nature prevails anyhow.

The nurture argument isn't as basic as that. If it was as simple as "brought up by gays, become gay; brought up by straights, become straight" then there wouldn't be a debate at all - the nurture theory would be fact.

If you think that having homosexual parents is going to derail some sort of biological chemistry, despite the MASSIVE external influence of a staggeringly heterosexually biased society then I'd suggest you're more than just a little bit paranoid.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Yes it is, that's pretty much all it is. What the fuck is a "conventional" up-bringing these days? And, what, denial of biological destiny!? You think otherwise heterosexual kids are going to be raised, against their will, as raving Graham Nortons because there was an "unconvential" balance of chromosomes in their upbringing? Christ alive.

Yes. There may still be families and individuals that conform to traditional archetypes but they aren't societal expectations anymore, are they? It isn't expected that The Woman will stay at home, cook and clean while The Man plays breadwinner. Nor is it believed by a wide majority that you need a man to discipline your boy or a woman's presence to make your daughter a lady.

It's 2010, not 1940. There are infinitely more single parent families, teenage parent families, mixed class families, mixed culture families, divorcees, kids with three, four, five parental figures. The idea of any kind of "conventional," "normal" or "standard" family unit is a complete and total joke.

So what the **** makes a same-sex couple with a child any more abnormal?

Yes you are right it is 2010 and there is a distinct lack of morals in Britain. So many things have been normalised due political correct numptys like yourself and this is just another thing that is on that list. If you do not see the difference I can guarantee you that either you have done some kind of sociology or psychology degree and/or have no children.

How do 2 gay men explain periods, how a girl feels when they start the transition into womanhood if they have not experienced it themselves? The same can be said about 2 lesbians and a boy. Now I am sure you will come back with an answer like they could get friends to do it etc. but then that is not parenting is it. It is just passing the buck. If 2 heterosexual parents did that would you consider that to be normal?

[Frost]

Yes you are right it is 2010 and there is a distinct lack of morals in Britain. So many things have been normalised due political correct numptys like yourself and this is just another thing that is on that list. If you do not see the difference I can guarantee you that either you have done some kind of sociology or psychology degree and/or have no children.

How do 2 gay men explain periods, how a girl feels when they start the transition into womanhood if they have not experienced it themselves? The same can be said about 2 lesbians and a boy. Now I am sure you will come back with an answer like they could get friends to do it etc. but then that is not parenting is it. It is just passing the buck. If 2 heterosexual parents did that would you consider that to be normal?

[broughtonblue]

Zaphod, you talk a lot of sense, I only posted the remark about Elton's baby to wind up the lefties on here! Your last two posts are correct

[acooling08]

Yes it is, that's pretty much all it is. What the fuck is a "conventional" up-bringing these days? And, what, denial of biological destiny!? You think otherwise heterosexual kids are going to be raised, against their will, as raving Graham Nortons because there was an "unconvential" balance of chromosomes in their upbringing? Christ alive.

Yes. There may still be families and individuals that conform to traditional archetypes but they aren't societal expectations anymore, are they? It isn't expected that The Woman will stay at home, cook and clean while The Man plays breadwinner. Nor is it believed by a wide majority that you need a man to discipline your boy or a woman's presence to make your daughter a lady.

It's 2010, not 1940. There are infinitely more single parent families, teenage parent families, mixed class families, mixed culture families, divorcees, kids with three, four, five parental figures. The idea of any kind of "conventional," "normal" or "standard" family unit is a complete and total joke.So what the **** makes a same-sex couple with a child any more abnormal?

How brilliant

Not in the middle/upper classes

Seriously though, you wouldn't want 2 gay dads would you? I'd be so embarrassed. I'd never let any friends find out for fear of unbearable bullying

EDIT: Glad to see some sane opinions (Zaphod) on this forum aside from the usually leftist bollocks