Is Homosexuality Abnormal?

[Zingari]

Any half-witted hetero dingbat can have a child.

The gays have to jump through all sorts of hoops before they can head down the road to parenthood. I'm lead to believe for example, that the adoption process is an arduous one with lots of checks and balances in place. Surely this alone means a greater proportion of the gays who want children will be in a better position to provide a stable and safe environment for a child then a pair of slack jawed kids who did the nasty whilst under the influence of cheap cider.

Also, if there were more gay parents there would be less children walking around in those frankly hideous baggy grey jogging bottoms.

nice use of imagery

[skinnydipper]

Adoption Policy Guidelines - Unsuitable Carers For Children

1. Gays (no explanation needed)

2. Other deviants ( all those who have taken part in a non- proscribed sexual activity regardless of it having occurred in a consensual and/or loving relationship. Non- proscribed activities are all sexual practices in excess of once per month missionary within marriage)

3. Single parents (socially inept losers)

4. Married couples (risk of infidelity, relationship disharmony and divorce)

5. Cohabiting couples (risk of infidelity, relationship disharmony with added concern re inability to commit)

6. Smokers including anyone who has ever tried the filthy habit (cancer risk and smelly fingers and breath)

7. Persons who have ever consumed alcohol (risk of alcoholism)

8. Arabs and asians (risk of grooming child for terrorist cell)

9. Jews (risk of penile mutilation)

10. All other non -christians (for being unable to immerse the child in the true meaning of Christmas)

11. Anyone who does not believe in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny or Father Christmas (a person who lies in denying their existence is patently unsuitable to provide for the fundamental emotional needs of the child)

12. Anyone who has ever been overweight (exercise some more self control fatty! Poses health and image risks to child)

13. Anyone who has ever been underweight (must have psychological problems. Nutter. Health and image risk posed)

14. Pet owners (risk that pets' needs will be prioritised over those of the child)

15. Gays (in case anyone has forgotten)

FOOTNOTE: An ability to meet the physical, emotional and educational needs of the child through stable, consistent, loving care is entirely irrelevant and forms no part of our selection criteria

We are an equal opportunities organisation that values equality and diversity

[Daggers]

Adoption Policy Guidelines - Unsuitable Carers For Children

Lovely stuff

[Zingari]

brilliant mr dipper

but what about apes and wolves ? they've got a good record in bringing up our human kiddies

are there any relevant guidelines ?

[Jon the Hat]

Put simply though, I think that same sex adoption is potentially damaging to the psychological well being of the child concerned for all manner of reasons ranging from stigmatism to identity issues and the very fact that there is the potential for such damage to occur is reason enough to discourage it.

Did you really accuse Finners of being politically correct and then write that paragraph???

[skinnydipper]

Apes and wolves are good , so long as they have none of the characteristics from the banned list

Additions;

17. Teachers (anyone who chooses to work with kids is almost certainly a paedo and therefore falls into the same category as school bus drivers and scoutmasters. Also almost entirely responsible for the cancer of moral corruptness that is so rife amongst our young people today)

18. Conspiracy theorists ( fantasists, freaks and unlikely to know their arse from their elbow. Poor role models)

[FoxyPV]

Skinny - that's brilliant

[Zingari]

Apes and wolves are good , so long as they have none of the charachteristics from the banned list

Additions;

17. Teachers (anyone who chooses to work with kids is almost certainly a paedo and therefore falls into the same category as school bus drivers and scoutmasters. Also almost entirely responsible for the cancer of moral corruptness that is so rife amongst our young people today)

18. Conspiracy theorists ( fantasists, freaks and unlikely to know their arse from their elbow. Poor role models)

DAMN !

I was doing so well up until then .

it's a bloody conspiracy against us , that's what it is

and why are we at number 18 ?

i'll tell you why , it's because it's 3 sixes and that's the number of the beast

[Zingari]

Skinny - that's brilliant

oi !

stop hanging round here , go and fix my aunt's fookin water pipes !!

she ain't had a bath for 3 years now

[FoxyPV]

oi !

stop hanging round here , go and fix my aunt's fookin water pipes !!

she ain't had a bath for 3 years now

Unless the water's pissing down the road I don't give a flying.

Belfast City Leisure Centres are offering showering facilities to local residents :laugh: I'm going home to run my tap for an hour just because I can :evil laugh:

[Zingari]

Unless the water's pissing down the road I don't give a flying.

Belfast City Leisure Centres are offering showering facilities to local residents :laugh: I'm going home to run my tap for an hour just because I can :evil laugh:

that's alright for you but she's been drinking her own urine for months now

[AoWW]

Surely that isn't Kokopops and Thracian? It sure looks like 'Our Tone'.

Nah, that looks more like a Thracian and TPH bonding session - what with that patterned shirt, medallion and the chest hair.

[Finnegan]

Skinnydipper.

[Guest Bilo]

Adoption guidelines straight from the Daily Mail.

Good stuff skinny.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Yourself and Zaphod have made the last few pages far more personal and / or aggressive than either Daggers or I and even then I don't think there's been anything that zealous going on here. I think we're having a vaguely reasonable debate by internet standards. If you're bored of the discussion then stop participating, nobody's going to force you. But don't try and bow out on some high horse by claiming personal attacks have been made that barely have.

I don't really think that's true. I can't be arsed to trawl through and find the specifics but I have been called a bigot, accused of homophobia and assumed to have right wing political persuasions amongst other things. The only personal thing I can remember saying is that you were exercising misplaced political correctness.

To be fair the rest of your post which I have quoted is informative and reasoned and adds far more weight to your argument than all the vague sentimentality you had hitherto relied upon. It's not that I am bored of the debate or that you have won me over, just that I am sick of people making out like they know 'all about me and my type' just because I come down marginally to one side of a particular issue. I think it is unfair to claim that the only reason somebody could have concerns about same sex adoption is because they must be either a raging homophobe, uneducated and immature or just an all round fascist. I am none of those (except perhaps a little immature at times) and I resent the fact that I even feel the need to deny it, so I have come to doubt the wisdom of continuing a discussion which I feel exposes me to such ridiculous accusations. Particularly when some of the participants, i'm looking at you Daggers, seem actually stupid enough to believe them.

[Zingari]

I don't really think that's true. I can't be arsed to trawl through and find the specifics but I have been called a bigot, accused of homophobia and assumed to have right wing political persuasions amongst other things. The only personal thing I can remember saying is that you were exercising misplaced political correctness.

To be fair the rest of your post which I have quoted is informative and reasoned and adds far more weight to your argument than all the vague sentimentality you had hitherto relied upon. It's not that I am bored of the debate or that you have won me over, just that I am sick of people making out like they know 'all about me and my type' just because I come down marginally to one side of a particular issue. I think it is unfair to claim that the only reason somebody could have concerns about same sex adoption is because they must be either a raging homophobe, uneducated and immature or just an all round fascist. I am none of those (except perhaps a little immature at times) and I resent the fact that I even feel the need to deny it, so I have come to doubt the wisdom of continuing a discussion which I feel exposes me to such ridiculous accusations. Particularly when some of the participants, i'm looking at you Daggers, seem actually stupid enough to believe them.

good post

Possibly you just "feel" that male homosexuals adopting surrogate children is wrong and I fully understand that .because i feel exactly the same way .

I'm not sure if there is a convincing rational argument against it , but there is still that niggling doubt in my mind that it's wrong and hopefully we are still allowed to have some opinions and emotions that are based on nothing more than inner feelings ,

[skinnydipper]

I don't really think that's true. I can't be arsed to trawl through and find the specifics but I have been called a bigot, accused of homophobia and assumed to have right wing political persuasions amongst other things. The only personal thing I can remember saying is that you were exercising misplaced political correctness.

To be fair the rest of your post which I have quoted is informative and reasoned and adds far more weight to your argument than all the vague sentimentality you had hitherto relied upon. It's not that I am bored of the debate or that you have won me over, just that I am sick of people making out like they know 'all about me and my type' just because I come down marginally to one side of a particular issue. I think it is unfair to claim that the only reason somebody could have concerns about same sex adoption is because they must be either a raging homophobe, uneducated and immature or just an all round fascist. I am none of those (except perhaps a little immature at times) and I resent the fact that I even feel the need to deny it, so I have come to doubt the wisdom of continuing a discussion which I feel exposes me to such ridiculous accusations. Particularly when some of the participants, i'm looking at you Daggers, seem actually stupid enough to believe them.

I don't think that the username BlueBrett helps

Might I suggest a change to PinkBrett

It gives a far softer image

[skinnydipper]

good post

Possibly you just "feel" that male homosexuals adopting surrogate children is wrong and I fully understand that .because i feel exactly the same way .

I'm not sure if there is a convincing rational argument against it , but there is still that niggling doubt in my mind that it's wrong and hopefully we are still allowed to have some opinions and emotions that are based on nothing more than inner feelings ,

Fascist

Would be an interesting dissection to get to those inner feelings

[Finnegan]

just that I am sick of people making out like they know 'all about me and my type' just because I come down marginally to one side of a particular issue.

Join the club. Apparently Daggers is a terrible teacher and parent, is stupid and should be ashamed of himself. I'm apparently the PC, virgin offspring of Che Guevara and Tony Blair with no friends, job or life. Oh, and a degree in sociology? People on the internet are going to make silly, highly inaccurate assumptions about you all the time.

I think someone considering you homophobic because you can't put together a constructive argument against gay adoption based on any source or fact other than "my friend who is gay" and a few crass, unfounded assumptions that gay-raised kids are going to grow up to be socially maladjusted is fairly mild considering the stick some of the rest of us have had off here.

Hell, you've had worse yourself for a few ill advised comments about skin tone.

I think it is unfair to claim that the only reason somebody could have concerns about same sex adoption is because they must be either a raging homophobe, uneducated and immature or just an all round fascist.

I can assure you, I was judging you on the merits of your argument and not your overall stance.

Particularly when some of the participants, i'm looking at you Daggers, seem actually stupid enough to believe them.

Daggers can be accused of being many things, not all of them positive. Abjectly stupid is not one of them.

good post

Possibly you just "feel" that male homosexuals adopting surrogate children is wrong and I fully understand that .because i feel exactly the same way .

I'm not sure if there is a convincing rational argument against it , but there is still that niggling doubt in my mind that it's wrong and hopefully we are still allowed to have some opinions and emotions that are based on nothing more than inner feelings ,

I'm sorry, Zingari, but if you can't come up with a rational argument but you just have a "niggling feeling that it's wrong" - that is homophobia. By very definition. I'm not going to stand here and imply you're a terrible human being and that you should be ashamed, we're all somewhat prejudice as people. But that is what it is.

[Zingari]

Mea Culpa

if all irrationality was outlawed the religions would be illegal and the sacrifice would be worthwhile

seriously , yes, i suppose i am a bit homophobic , i come from a different age to most of you lot so i'll try to work on it

[broughtonblue]

Mea Culpa

if all irrationality was outlawed the religions would be illegal and the sacrifice would be worthwhile

seriously , yes, i suppose i am a bit homophobic , i come from a different age to most of you lot so i'll try to work on it

Don't work on it too much, we don't want you batting for the other side!

[Guest BlueBrett]

Is this what's known as an amicable settlement? Or just a tenuous cease-fire? Either is good for me really

[Zingari]

Is this what's known as an amicable settlement? Or just a tenuous cease-fire? Either is good for me really

it means lacy hankies at dawn to me mate !!!

[Guest BlueBrett]

it means lacy hankies at dawn to me mate !!!

We can take 'em!

[Daggers]

I can assure you, I was judging you on the merits of your argument and not your overall stance.

I bet it is just like Graham Norton's.

Homophobes are just closet arse-bandits.