German fans ready for boycott

[lildave3]

German people are poor.

[LCFC-ARAB]

£36 is still reasonable for a top flight game.

Do you still have a season ticket? no

maybe if it was 200 quid and you could enjoy your day at the walkers you would have got one

anybody arguing with the boycott is not looking at the bigger picture and how fans are trying to keep German football at reasonable prices so German people can afford them

[Fosse Boy]

That's hypocritcal, I guess you've been to far far more games than I have over the last few years here in England? So you seem happy enough to pay the prices?

Not happy with it by any means. This country's attitude to fans is a joke and I'll admit to my hypocrisy in saying that I've paid lip service to this culture of apathy for too long in support of Leicester. However, to slate those in another country who have the balls to be organised enough to be able to effectively question and act on how they are treated as supporters, is ever so slightly out of order really.

[Tilley]

Should be? you are basing on English prices, and football should not cost someone 40 odd quid, and football in Germany has gone from strength to strength and that isn't because ticket prices have been increasing because they haven't!

people need to get into their heads that football isn't all about money, and if we charged fans 11 quid we would fill the stadium, get a good atmosphere and everyone would have FUN which is the forgotten word in English football

Well it is about money.

Clubs have been ran badly for years. Now clubs have huge outgoings by being overstaffed, having players on huge wages and debt from things like stadiums.

They've got to charge those prices to keep afloat. People say, 'Put tickets at a tenner, fill the stadium, they'll make more money.' Well no they won't, think of extra policing and stewarding costs etc.

We'd all like football to be cheap but without charging these prices, there probably wouldn't be a club to watch because they'd go into administration or maybe even liquidation.

[Tilley]

Do you still have a season ticket? no

maybe if it was 200 quid and you could enjoy your day at the walkers you would have got one

anybody arguing with the boycott is not looking at the bigger picture and how fans are trying to keep German football at reasonable prices so German people can afford them

My decision not to renew wasn't price.

I paid £40 to watch Arsenal vs Braga on Wednesday night and have paid the same price for Birmingham and West Ham.

£40 for Premier League or Champions League football is reasonable, in my opinion.

[Alexikokopops]

Well it is about money.

Clubs have been ran badly for years. Now clubs have huge outgoings by being overstaffed, having players on huge wages and debt from things like stadiums.

They've got to charge those prices to keep afloat. People say, 'Put tickets at a tenner, fill the stadium, they'll make more money.' Well no they won't, think of extra policing and stewarding costs etc.

We'd all like football to be cheap but without charging these prices, there probably wouldn't be a club to watch because they'd go into administration or maybe even liquidation.

I think the whole point of this boycott by the German fans is to stop football in the country getting to that stage. There's very little chance of prices ever dropping significantly over here, but if German fans want to give it a shot then fair play to them. As soon as German football gets the impression it can get away with a 63% increase in one season and people don't care, then it won't be long before football turns into the bloated mess that it is over here.

That's just how I view it anyway.

[Fosse Boy]

My decision not to renew wasn't price.

I paid £40 to watch Arsenal vs Braga on Wednesday night and have paid the same price for Birmingham and West Ham.

£40 for Premier League or Champions League football is reasonable, in my opinion.

You're being massively mugged off though. Look at what you'll pay to watch a top flight game abroad. £40 is a King's ransom in comparison.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Well it is about money.

Clubs have been ran badly for years. Now clubs have huge outgoings by being overstaffed, having players on huge wages and debt from things like stadiums.

They've got to charge those prices to keep afloat. People say, 'Put tickets at a tenner, fill the stadium, they'll make more money.' Well no they won't, think of extra policing and stewarding costs etc.

We'd all like football to be cheap but without charging these prices, there probably wouldn't be a club to watch because they'd go into administration or maybe even liquidation.

I agree with you so much, clubs have been badly run. and it will take a club like Man United or Liverpool to go out of business before things change

players are paid pathetic amount for what they do, and that is paid off by mugs like us who pay them

you do understand what i am saying, even if you don't admit it. we shouldn't be paying 30 quid for a second division game and that wont change till something big happens

but because fans aren't organised they cant get stuff like this done, so clubs will continue to charge us like they do, Dortmund fans boycott, Leicester fans buy tickets then sing '31 quid and we'll stand up'

football in this country is a joke, and before anyone tells me to go support another team I CAN'T! i support Leicester and i can't change that

[Matt]

Natural inflation isn't 6 quid in 1 year, the fans who are organizing this are from fan groups so i will bet they wont be going shopping, like someone else said, if fans had boycotted when prices were 19 quid in this country then maybe we wouldn't be paying 30 quid for a second division game right now

and the reason this will work in Germany is because the fans are organised

FSF seem quite an organised group, Fosse Boys seem to have been quite organised, other clubs fans groups seem to be quite organised, How come inidividual groups or yourselves havn't set boycotts up at individual groups if people feel so strongly?

You obviously felt strongly about the lack of atmopshere at the Walkers for examply so you and few friends organised a group to do something about it, 1 group at 1 club won't change things but 1 group at 1 club may raise awareness, may lead to other things and i'm sure other clubs have heard bits about the Fosse Boys especially with other 'Ultra groups' at other clubs the Fosse Boys also got abit of publicity in a national newspaper, word would soon get round i'm sure, support would follow.

[Fosse Boy]

FSF seem quite an organised group, Fosse Boys seem to have been quite organised, other clubs fans groups seem to be quite organised, How come inidividual groups or yourselves havn't set boycotts up at individual groups if people feel so strongly?

You obviously felt strongly about the lack of atmopshere at the Walkers for examply so you and few friends organised a group to do something about it, 1 group at 1 club won't change things but 1 group at 1 club may raise awareness, may lead to other things and i'm sure other clubs have heard bits about the Fosse Boys especially with other 'Ultra groups' at other clubs the Fosse Boys also got abit of publicity in a national newspaper, word would soon get round i'm sure, support would follow.

And here's the point. We're recently formed, the FSF (while well established) are only really now managing to expand their membership through increased publicity. Abroad this level of organisation is the norm and has been for years, over here the notion of fans uniting for a cause is very much a new idea.

[LCFC-ARAB]

FSF seem quite an organised group, Fosse Boys seem to have been quite organised, other clubs fans groups seem to be quite organised, How come inidividual groups or yourselves havn't set boycotts up at individual groups if people feel so strongly?

You obviously felt strongly about the lack of atmopshere at the Walkers for examply so you and few friends organised a group to do something about it, 1 group at 1 club won't change things but 1 group at 1 club may raise awareness, may lead to other things and i'm sure other clubs have heard bits about the Fosse Boys especially with other 'Ultra groups' at other clubs the Fosse Boys also got abit of publicity in a national newspaper, word would soon get round i'm sure, support would follow.

Because 1 fan group at one club means bollocks all, if you read about the Dortmund boycott you will see that it's about 100 fan clubs or something stupid like that, that are doing it

and just so you know, the Fosse Boys will be organizing a boycott of Ipswich away, where we are all gonna go to a non league game some where and be arseholes for the day

just admit you see the bigger picture! if clubs take an inch they will take a mile!

[dandannieldanok]

I think the whole point of this boycott by the German fans is to stop football in the country getting to that stage. There's very little chance of prices ever dropping significantly over here, but if German fans want to give it a shot then fair play to them. As soon as German football gets the impression it can get away with a 63% increase in one season and people don't care, then it won't be long before football turns into the bloated mess that it is over here.

That's just how I view it anyway.

Football is a bloated mess behind the scenes, but on the pitch it is not. Higher ticket prices and fans paying a lot of money is a reason behind that, it's a huge source of income. I'm not saying it's morally right to charge fans a lot of money, it's just business sense and to some extent the fans are rewarded.

You're being massively mugged off though. Look at what you'll pay to watch a top flight game abroad. £40 is a King's ransom in comparison.

Yes it's a lot of money but you're only getting mugged off if you personally feel you are. It's all down to the single person, if they want to pay then that's up to them. Given the way Arsenal played on Tuesday I'd say definite value for money. Unless you're watching the elite European teams like Barca, the standard of football is of a lower standard, you get what you pay for.

you do understand what i am saying, even if you don't admit it. we shouldn't be paying 30 quid for a second division game and that wont change till something big happens

It'll only change if fans lower their expectations massively. Lower ticket prices will mean a lower wage bill and subsequently poorer players. Given the reactions of some in LCFC forum, I don't think a poorer standard of football will go down well with Leicester fans.

[LCFC-ARAB]

It'll only change if fans lower their expectations massively. Lower ticket prices will mean a lower wage bill and subsequently poorer players. Given the reactions of some in LCFC forum, I don't think a poorer standard of football will go down well with Leicester fans.

Well Bayern Munich managed to make it to the Champions League final while charging fans 13 quid to watch them at home

football should be for the fans, not a fucking business

[Matt]

And here's the point. We're recently formed, the FSF (while well established) are only really now managing to expand their membership through increased publicity. Abroad this level of organisation is the norm and has been for years, over here the notion of fans uniting for a cause is very much a new idea.

Fair point although the Fosse Boys word has spread quite quick around Leicester fans (Most if not all know who you are). It would take longer and alot more organization that the Fosse Boys though I admit.

Because 1 fan group at one club means bollocks all, if you read about the Dortmund boycott you will see that it's about 100 fan clubs or something stupid like that, that are doing it

and just so you know, the Fosse Boys will be organizing a boycott of Ipswich away, where we are all gonna go to a non league game some where and be arseholes for the day

just admit you see the bigger picture! if clubs take an inch they will take a mile!

I do see the bigger picture and clubs have got the fans by the short and curlies but it's been coming for a long time, it's not been a huge jump come from nowhere.

It just seems alot of people wank themselves crazy over German football and other countries football culture, no doubt it is good i've not done alot of research personally I will admit but what I will say is as i've been told many times "The grass is always greener on the other side" and no doubt if experienced it week in, week out you'd find plenty to moan about there too.

[dandannieldanok]

Well Bayern Munich managed to make it to the Champions League final while charging fans 13 quid to watch them at home

football should be for the fans, not a fucking business

They did yes, but English teams have outperformed German teams on the big stage for a long time now, with last year being the exception.

Yea but if Milan Mandaric came and asked me personally, as a fan, what I want from my football club? It's a to have a successful and committed team at the highest level we can strive for; we aren't going to get that if we offered tickets out at £10 every game sadly.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Fair point although the Fosse Boys word has spread quite quick around Leicester fans (Most if not all know who you are). It would take longer and alot more organization that the Fosse Boys though I admit.

I do see the bigger picture and clubs have got the fans by the short and curlies but it's been coming for a long time, it's not been a huge jump come from nowhere.

It just seems alot of people wank themselves crazy over German football and other countries football culture, no doubt it is good i've not done alot of research personally I will admit but what I will say is as i've been told many times "The grass is always greener on the other side" and no doubt if experienced it week in, week out you'd find plenty to moan about there too.

It hasn't been a huge jump out of nowhere because fans didn't act when we were charged 20 quid!

and i am sorry, but i really cannot see anything anywhere near as bad with German football as much as English football, thats from fans owning their own clubs to terraces to being able to drink to being able to wave a flag to a German football club making it to the champions league final

English football fans are being treated like mugs every week

and because we are ignorant and naive we dont do anything about it, we just shut up, pay our money sit in silence and be treated like a hooligan (me included)

because we don't have big supporters groups or are organised enough to just say 'fuck modern football' we just carry on doing the same thing

like purpleronnie said on a different thread or forum, it is because football is too popular in this country

because we have too many middle class people who want to pay stupid amounts for a ticket

I have said to many people, that of the Fosse Boys fails then that is me over with football and modern football, this is my last chance to enjoy football and enjoy something i pay 300 odd quid for, i wont get treated like a mug without a fight ( )

[Alexikokopops]

Football is a bloated mess behind the scenes, but on the pitch it is not. Higher ticket prices and fans paying a lot of money is a reason behind that, it's a huge source of income. I'm not saying it's morally right to charge fans a lot of money, it's just business sense and to some extent the fans are rewarded.

You could easily argue though that without the bloatedness off the bitch you could still have the same results on it without excessively large ticket prices. You could, again, argue that German football is in that situation at the moment. They've still got an exciting league, teams getting into the Champions League and performing well, and a national side that puts ours to shame. Shalke have spent beyond their means as a business (a sign of the "bloatedness" if you will) and are trying to rectify it by doing something that doesn't make good business sense because their customer isn't buying the product at the price they're setting.

I agree it makes good business sense in England, because the majority of English football fans are idiots (myself included) and pay the price. We've now got to the stage where we've realised how idiotic we are, but unfortunately it's probably too late to do anything about it.

[LCFC-ARAB]

They did yes, but English teams have outperformed German teams on the big stage for a long time now, with last year being the exception.

Yea but if Milan Mandaric came and asked me personally, as a fan, what I want from my football club? It's a to have a successful and committed team at the highest level we can strive for; we aren't going to get that if we offered tickets out at £10 every game sadly.

I respect that,

but i have to say i feel differently, if Manderic asked me if i want a MASSIVE club with 75,000 fans every week or i get to have fun every week and be a fan, bounce up and down with flags and just enjoy myself every game i know what i would chose

but that just shows that we have different fans, we have fans that would just there in silence who ever we play what ever the score or whois playing for us

or fans that will have some beers, maybe get drunk, have fun and just enjoy their Saturdays

i probably sound like i am 20 years too late for football in this country, but i go to game because i have fun, not to be entertained by 11 people on the pitch

yeah Leicester winning makes my day, and today even i got shouted at for not singing when we were losing, but football is about fun

and we can have fun with the right fans the right mentality and the right amount of beers

[Webbo]

Having read this thread and similar ones over the years I'd just like to say that what happens in Germany is Germany's business.

I really don't give a shit.

[dandannieldanok]

I respect that,

but i have to say i feel differently, if Manderic asked me if i want a MASSIVE club with 75,000 fans every week or i get to have fun every week and be a fan, bounce up and down with flags and just enjoy myself every game i know what i would chose

but that just shows that we have different fans, we have fans that would just there in silence who ever we play what ever the score or whois playing for us

or fans that will have some beers, maybe get drunk, have fun and just enjoy their Saturdays

i probably sound like i am 20 years too late for football in this country, but i go to game because i have fun, not to be entertained by 11 people on the pitch

yeah Leicester winning makes my day, and today even i got shouted at for not singing when we were losing, but football is about fun

and we can have fun with the right fans the right mentality and the right amount of beers

Yea you're right, clubs have a wide spread of fans that have totally different outlooks on how they enjoy football. 95% of the time my enjoyment of a game will be determined by how well my team do, and only on exceptional occasions (like Sheff Utd 08), can I enjoy myself fully regardless of what happens on the pitch. I totally understand and respect plenty of people like yourself can generate your own enjoyment. As you say though, football nowadays in England is tailored more for the likes of me than you.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Yea you're right, clubs have a wide spread of fans that have totally different outlooks on how they enjoy football. 95% of the time my enjoyment of a game will be determined by how well my team do, and only on exceptional occasions (like Sheff Utd 08), can I enjoy myself fully regardless of what happens on the pitch. I totally understand and respect plenty of people like yourself can generate your own enjoyment. As you say though, football nowadays in England is tailored more for the likes of me than you.

I know that mate

and the Dortmund fans are trying to stop that from happening, no disrespect to your self, but the fans who are boycotting are trying to ensure that fans like them selfs stay in the majority and that football over there doesn't turn into football like over here

[C-man]

I hate how people cite how well English clubs have done in the Champions League as an excuse for high ticket prices. I couldn't give a fvck.

I care about Leicester and England and I'm forced to pay top dollar to see them but that's alright as long as Manchester United stuff the whole of Europe.... oh wait.

[CosbehFox]

Well it is about money.

Clubs have been ran badly for years. Now clubs have huge outgoings by being overstaffed, having players on huge wages and debt from things like stadiums.

Thing is clubs aren't in Germany, they produce profit most years and ran brilliantly well in comparison to the rest of Europe. It all goes hand in hand, the rise in Schalke's ticket prices are related to their recent spending spree and the fans wan't avoid situations across Europe of clubs going out of business.

FSF seem quite an organised group, Fosse Boys seem to have been quite organised, other clubs fans groups seem to be quite organised, How come inidividual groups or yourselves havn't set boycotts up at individual groups if people feel so strongly?

Leicester fans have....Brum at St Andrews, £30 a ticket and a very small number turned up for a local game on a Saturday afternoon.

Lower ticket prices will mean a lower wage bill and subsequently poorer players. Given the reactions of some in LCFC forum, I don't think a poorer standard of football will go down well with Leicester fans.

Often though poorer players doesn't relate to a poor spectacle. Bundesliga clubs daren't lower themselves chasing the Champions League buck.

It just seems alot of people wank themselves crazy over German football and other countries football culture, no doubt it is good i've not done alot of research personally I will admit but what I will say is as i've been told many times "The grass is always greener on the other side" and no doubt if experienced it week in, week out you'd find plenty to moan about there too.

There are probelms. Hence where there's a by-note about fans protesting against modern football. This is largely a knock-on from 2006 WC. Teams are developing their stadiums at quite a rate currently in the Bundesliga because due to a boost in supporter numbers with this the ultra ideology and terracing goes. (There are success stories like St Pauli's redevelopment, Fortuna Dusseldorf converting permanent seating to terraced spaces and Union Berlin where the fans built a large majority of the new stands). Also, Rupert Murdoch last year introduced SKY to the masses of Germany...which has increasingly meant fixtures spread across the weekend but at least the league have decency to set these times as cast-iron's and then block release the fixtures with plenty of time to arrange travel.

You could, again, argue that German football is in that situation at the moment.

What a number of folk are failing to realise is how different German culture is full stop to British society. Their understanding of customer relations in any business is top notch it's reflected in their football. When Germans recognise an issue or a problem, they will deal with it whereas the British sitting on their bums and moan as opposed to complain. From the way their roads are immediately gritted in bad weather to how apprenticeships there last five years, everything is a lot more organised and refined. It's all reflected in their approach to their football. Best example is how they are aware that a football game leads to increased traffic, so in counteraction public transport is free provided you have a match ticket and performing your journey within three hours of the match. Our logic is sit in traffic for thirty minutes after a game!

[Matt]

and just so you know, the Fosse Boys will be organizing a boycott of Ipswich away, where we are all gonna go to a non league game some where and be arseholes for the day

Leicester fans have....Brum at St Andrews, £30 a ticket and a very small number turned up for a local game on a Saturday afternoon.

It's a start don't get me wrong but boycotting away games isn't going to do alot is it? I mean generally away games bring smaller crowds for the away team and you won't be too missed, Home games are what need to be boycotted so the club/media/football fans as a whole will take notice off, not a couple of hundered not turning up at an away game (I doubt Leicester fans will notice your lack of presence let alone the club, media and football fans in general), but boycotting an away game is a start I spose, besides for a home game I doubt you'll ever have a full boycott (i.e - 20k not turn up) then again I doubt you will in Germany.

[CosbehFox]

I agree Matt. I was just stating that there is a level that City fans don't find acceptable.