Sacking the Manager during the season?

[Vestan Pance]

I feel like we are in 2007 again.

New manager will get till Halloween before fans get on his back. Next one will get till Christmas before fans ask for him to be sacked.

Football fans are a bunch of fickle and trigger-happy mugs.

I can't remember one instance of a football fan sacking a manager. It doesn't matter what we think and it never will.

[davieG]

Yep you're completely right. Any successful manager is based on the law of averages.

How silly of me to think that tactics, player recruitment, coaching, sports science, team selections or anything football related was relevant.

Sarcasm doesn't become you and is not very clever. Of course all those things matter did I say they didn't but even with all of them you can still fail, why else would you have managers being successful at one club and then failing at the next.

And the averages I was talking about and I'm sure you know was that there is only so many teams that can actually win something if you don't win anything then one could say you've not been successful

[davieG]

I'm finding it hard to remember it ever bringing any degree of success although some would say avoiding relegation would be a success.

Frank O'Farrell for Matt Gillies got us to Wembley but we still got relegated

David Pleat for Bryan Hamilton brought some respite but he eventually took us to the abyss that is League 3

Can't say before Matt Gillies but I think that's about it, not very encouraging.

Brian Mcdermott did very well with Reading last year after the Sacking of Brendan Rodgers in December. A late play off push that just about fails would be okay for me right about now. They also look like they will be hovering in around that position for the rest of the season. Brian Mc was a caretaker manager who was eventually given the job even though he didn't start that well...Chrissy P to bring back some NP spirit anyone?

Gordon Lee replaced Pleat and kept us up.

Kelly replacing Levein springs to mind?

Nigel Worthington kept us up, in hindight he should have got the job ahead of Allen.

you dont rmemeber kelly improving our form after levein sacked?

Rob Kelly kept us up.

I was talking about Leicester City and I did say although some would say avoiding relegation would be a success. But I was talking about real success not just avoiding relegation which Sousa could well do anyway.

Perhaps some of you should try reading my post first.

[davieG]

Spot on! Bill Shankly and Alex Ferguson are just lucky!

Very clever except I didn't say the managers were lucky I said finding the right one required a lot of luck.

[unreachable]

Very clever except I didn't say the managers were lucky I said finding the right one required a lot of luck.

So it was good luck then that he appointed Pearson or was it good judgment based on Lee Hoos' knowledge from the job that was done at Southampton?

So you still think Gillies was sacked then?

[Edmund]

Very clever except I didn't say the managers were lucky I said finding the right one required a lot of luck.

If that was the case chairmans might as well write ten candidates on separate pieces of paper and draw one from a hat.

[Aixelsyd]

I'm finding it hard to remember it ever bringing any degree of success although some would say avoiding relegation would be a success.

Bryan Robson replaced Gary Megson at West Brom in 2004

last at Christmas but survived with the new manager

[Fox You Forest]

Not sure why the point is being argued it's pretty obvious some luck is involved when choosing a new manager.

[Edmund]

I can imagine it now : eenie meenie miney moe.......

[unreachable]

Not sure why the point is being argued it's pretty obvious some luck is involved when choosing a new manager.

Luck and judgment. You choose the proportions!

[Fox You Forest]

I can imagine it now : eenie meenie miney moe.......

Yeah.

Luck and judgment. You choose the proportions!

Impossible to say with any sort of conviction really, just down to what sort of opinion you hold for the people tasked with finding a new manager.

[davieG]

So it was good luck then that he appointed Pearson or was it good judgment based on Lee Hoos' knowledge from the job that was done at Southampton?

So you still think Gillies was sacked then?

Yes there was luck involved because he really had no pedigree of success at this level.

As for Gillies no it was an error on my part but then it just makes my point about the success rate more valid.

[davieG]

I can imagine it now : eenie meenie miney moe.......

Just because your'e so desperate to see the back of Sousa you'd argue black was white.

I use to think that it was possible to have an intelligent points based debate with you but Sousa seems to have turned you into a immature infant.

Fine if you don't agree with my thoughts and that's all they were but a coherent mature response might have been more productive.

[unreachable]

Yes there was luck involved because he really had no pedigree of success at this level.

As for Gillies no it was an error on my part but then it just makes my point about the success rate more valid.

You are slow to give any credit to MM as usual.

[davieG]

You are slow to give any credit to MM as usual.

Well even you suggested it was down to Hoos and Mandaric's success Management success rate at Portsmouth and LCFC is nothing short of frightening, he obviously recruited people with no football knowledge at all, seems a bit stupid or was he just unlucky.

[unreachable]

Well even you suggested it was down to Hoos and Mandaric's success Management success rate at Portsmouth and LCFC is nothing short of frightening, he obviously recruited people with no football knowledge at all, seems a bit stupid or was he just unlucky.

Mandaric was chairman and appointed Hoos so the appointment of Pearson has to be one of MM's finest moments.

Mandaric did get Portsmouth promoted so you can't say he was a failure there surely? Bit of a ramble so I can't follow your post clearly. Have you missed a sentence out?

[Lillehamring]

I'm really not sure. Personally I don't see Sousa turning it round, because Friday's defeat was so damaging on the morale of the squad but would a new man be able to improve our situation?

these sort of assumptions are starting to really annoy me - what exactly are you basing this on, and i mean genuine first hand comments from actual players?

it is just as likely to have wound them up and spurred them on as got them down - the players are smart enough to know that they aren't a team that should have been beaten so heavily, that pompey actually are a quality side, that had we had 11 men the result would probably have been very different (after all we did beat them a few days before)

the Thais have obviously invested a lot in sousa, and i for one am pleased that, so far, they have bucked the trend to panic and sack a manager based on a record of LWDLWLDWLWL - and, i know that includes the cup, but equally 2 of those cup games were against championship teams - sure, it's not great, but 4 wins from 11 is not a bad return for a new manager.

far too many people are being confused by the league table, early season league tables are notoriously unreliable to judge by - i could understand if we hadn't won ANY games, but we have beaten some decent teams, even the leeds result, which i seem to remember a lot of posters on here were very satisfied with, were leeds not in the top few at the time?

i'd rather struggle with sousa than go through the horrors of having to start from scratch again, with no guarantee that anyone coming in would do any better - it certainly didn't help us when we got relegated.

[Chrysalis]

I was talking about Leicester City and I did say although some would say avoiding relegation would be a success. But I was talking about real success not just avoiding relegation which Sousa could well do anyway.

Perhaps some of you should try reading my post first.

generally speaking managers tend to get sacked too late meaning avoiding the drop is success.

for kelly to get promoted in the season he got the job would have required a miracle form of wins.

he didnt push on the next season but nevertherless you cant say the change of managers failed as there was an immediate improvement of results when it happened.

[Nick]

Spot on! Bill Shankly and Alex Ferguson are just lucky!

Not really, Shankly is dead.

[unreachable]

Not really, Shankly is dead.

Oh you can write. An improvement on an emoticon.

[Edmund]

Just because your'e so desperate to see the back of Sousa you'd argue black was white.

I use to think that it was possible to have an intelligent points based debate with you but Sousa seems to have turned you into a immature infant.

Fine if you don't agree with my thoughts and that's all they were but a coherent mature response might have been more productive.

There's no need to get your knickers in a twist babylon davie. Although I still disagree, it was quite clear that it was lighthearted jesting albeit with valid points.

I find it funny that just because I disagree with some over the mangers stance it's brushed off as immature or trolling when in most threads I've given reasonable argument to justify my stance.

Next time I'll be sure to reply in essay form and provide you with a Introduction, Chapter index and references.

[Cat Burger]

I was talking about Leicester City and I did say although some would say avoiding relegation would be a success. But I was talking about real success not just avoiding relegation which Sousa could well do anyway.

Perhaps some of you should try reading my post first.

I did read it. If you don't think that post appeared open to interpretation then judging by the response you are clearly mistaken. If you don't want people to have tangental discussion then I suggest next time you make the thread a sticky and lock it.

In addition, with my post I identified a couple of potential parallels we can draw with last season's Reading side...This kind of comparison is clearly more relevant to today's Leicester City than that of' some dusty old bastard who no one on here even remembers. I don't mean this in a bad way, but if I was a sensitive loon I wouldn't post again after being told off by you, Davie.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I think this is the biggest point to take from this. I'm personally inclined to support Sousa for a few more matches, even though I've seen some decent arguments to call for his sacking (though these are few and far between - the "Sousa Out!", why? "Because he's crap!", why is he crap? "Because he's crap!" arguments are really beginning to grate now), I am immediately reminded of the alternative candidates and I'm more convinced we should endure with Sousa a while longer to see what happens.

The scariest thing is talk of a former England manager coming here. There are no good, living, ex-England managers.