Let's clear this up - which LCFC players do you hate?

[Kitchandro]

Perhaps we should've beaten Cardiff at home in the playoffs instead of needing a result in Wales? Maybe the referee should've given offside before he gave the penalty which took the game to extra time in Wales?

Yawn. Blackpool got the job done, we didn't. Some people really need to move on.

Oh come on mate, yes maybe shmaybe but that doesn't excuse someone on OUR team playing Russian Roulette with us.

I hate Howard Webb and his assistants too.

[Corky]

Who the fuck is Asha?

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't know.

[Guest Bilo]

Who the fuck is Asha?

Nussul.

Only changed today, checked on name history on their profile as I thought exactly the same.

[lcfc_jme]

Oh come on mate, yes maybe shmaybe but that doesn't excuse someone on OUR team playing Russian Roulette with us.

I hate Howard Webb and his assistants too.

It was a ridiculous thing to do, I think that was almost unanimously agreed across the board, and he was rightly condemned at the time for being an utter pillock. But to be still stuck in that moment and not moving on is just silly, in my opinion. I mean, the guy's not even here anymore and we're playing with largely the same squad this year but doing a million times worse. If anything, the players here at the the moment should be called into question for massively underachieving this season if that's the viewpoint you want to take.

Based on how we've started this season, do you seriously think us being in Blackpool's place would've been good for us? Come on now.

And for what it's worth, everyone thinks Howard Webb is a nobber.

[Zingari]

what a coincidence

i've just put "who the fook is alice" on the ft video thread

[Finnegan]

Nussul.

Only changed today, checked on name history on their profile as I thought exactly the same.

Name history? That's a new one on me.

[StanSP]

Name history? That's a new one on me.

Same. Just been looking on the profile and can't see it anywhere.

Liking the 'stats' bit. Hadn't seen that before.

[Kitchandro]

It was a ridiculous thing to do, I think that was almost unanimously agreed across the board, and he was rightly condemned at the time for being an utter pillock. But to be still stuck in that moment and not moving on is just silly, in my opinion. I mean, the guy's not even here anymore and we're playing with largely the same squad this year but doing a million times worse. If anything, the players here at the the moment should be called into question for massively underachieving this season if that's the viewpoint you want to take.

Based on how we've started this season, do you seriously think us being in Blackpool's place would've been good for us? Come on now.

And for what it's worth, everyone thinks Howard Webb is a nobber.

£90 million up and Premiership football? Yeh I think that would be good! To suggest you think we are better off in this League is crazy!

The players that are here now are trying their best and haven't been helped by Mandaric and Sousa, both of whom made some shitty decisions of their own in the summer. Yes they are doing shit at the moment but to hate them all just because we are 20th now isn't fair. And that goes for Gallagher, Fryatt, Wellens, Neilson or any of our players who you don't rate.

I'm not the only football fan who soesn't forgive and forget easily. Others will feel the same as me. How many people hated David Speedie before he came here and righted his wrongs? And TBF, he did these wrongs against us when he was playing for another team.

If there are players to be hated, Kermorgant is one of them. That's all I'm saying.

[Finnegan]

Same. Just been looking on the profile and can't see it anywhere.

Liking the 'stats' bit. Hadn't seen that before.

Found it. It's on the left hand side under the personal picture.

[Guest Bilo]

Name history? That's a new one on me.

It's only from when Mark did the updates though I think, so it won't exactly be extensive.

[lcfc_jme]

£90 million up and Premiership football? Yeh I think that would be good! To suggest you think we are better off in this League is crazy!

The players that are here now are trying their best and haven't been helped by Mandaric and Sousa, both of whom made some shitty decisions of their own in the summer. Yes they are doing shit at the moment but to hate them all just because we are 20th now isn't fair. And that goes for Gallagher, Fryatt, Wellens, Neilson or any of our players who you don't rate.

I'm not the only football fan who soesn't forgive and forget easily. Others will feel the same as me. How many people hated David Speedie before he came here and righted his wrongs? And TBF, he did these wrongs against us when he was playing for another team.

If there are players to be hated, Kermorgant is one of them. That's all I'm saying.

In business terms it'd have made great financial sense yes, but in purely footballing terms it'd have been an absolute catastrophe. We've been beaten 3-0 and 6-1 away at 2 of the relegated sides, who were for all intents and purposes abysmal in the Premier League last season. Going up there would've seen us get destroyed most weeks, and as our relegation season proved: once the rot sets in, it's a fvcking tall task to get out of it.

If you wish to hate Yann Kermorgant for making an error in judgement then great, that's entirely up to you. But in all fairness, Wayne Brown is a lot more deserving of "hate" for throwing the dressing room into turmoil at the most crucial time of the season. And I would go as far as saying Chris Weale is certainly not immune from being "hated" for his individual error in judgement (y'know, that same thing Yann is so overly vilified for) away at Derby which cost us 3 points - 3 points which would've seen us play away in Cardiff first and play the home leg second.

What about the entire team who came out for the 2nd half at home to Coventry? They all made mistakes and cost us 2 points by throwing away at 2 goal lead. And then you have the entire team that lost 4 on the bounce late March.

You bang on about David Speedie - has Yann even been given a chance to right his wrongs?! No, he was shipped out at the earliest possible opportunity, probably for his own good more than footballing reasons.

Christ on a bike you'd think he'd raped some peoples' wives the way people are with him.

EDIT: Back on topic, I don't hate any of our players. I just get overly frustrated by some of their blatant stupidity at times.

[Kitchandro]

In business terms it'd have made great financial sense yes, but in purely footballing terms it'd have been an absolute catastrophe. We've been beaten 3-0 and 6-1 away at 2 of the relegated sides, who were for all intents and purposes abysmal in the Premier League last season. Going up there would've seen us get destroyed most weeks, and as our relegation season proved: once the rot sets in, it's a fvcking tall task to get out of it.

If you wish to hate Yann Kermorgant for making an error in judgement then great, that's entirely up to you. But in all fairness, Wayne Brown is a lot more deserving of "hate" for throwing the dressing room into turmoil at the most crucial time of the season. And I would go as far as saying Chris Weale is certainly not immune from being "hated" for his individual error in judgement (y'know, that same thing Yann is so overly vilified for) away at Derby which cost us 3 points - 3 points which would've seen us play away in Cardiff first and play the home leg second.

What about the entire team who came out for the 2nd half at home to Coventry? They all made mistakes and cost us 2 points by throwing away at 2 goal lead. And then you have the entire team that lost 4 on the bounce late March.

You bang on about David Speedie - has Yann even been given a chance to right his wrongs?! No, he was shipped out at the earliest possible opportunity, probably for his own good more than footballing reasons.

Christ on a bike you'd think he'd raped some peoples' wives the way people are with him.

EDIT: Back on topic, I don't hate any of our players. I just get overly frustrated by some of their blatant stupidity at times.

No you cock! Making a mistake like Weale did is completely different from what Kermorgant did! How can you not see that? Or can you see that, but you're just blindly ignoring it because it makes your point hold no water? I think it's the latter.

You know it's completely different and you have no argument. This isn't about honest mistakes it's about attitude.

Say Mr. Smith was holding some priceless piece of art. If he was looking over it carefully and dropped it, damaging it, that's a mistake. But say Mr.Jones was juggling another equally priceless piece of art and being careless with it, and as a result, he dropped it, and damaged it. Now you know that is completely different.

Frankly, any real football fan would still be angry at Kermorgant. Until he rights his wrongs he will be hated by me.

Whether Wayne Brown has a reason to be hated is another thing.

[foxoffderby]

Matt Oakley

[haraven]

Hate is a strong word, and I rarely muster to build up a hate towards one's own players - but Dennis Wise I scorchingly hated playing for us.

Jordan Stewart always rubbed me the wrong way with his nonsense arrogance.

[lcfc_jme]

No you cock! Making a mistake like Weale did is completely different from what Kermorgant did! How can you not see that? Or can you see that, but you're just blindly ignoring it because it makes your point hold no water? I think it's the latter.

You know it's completely different and you have no argument. This isn't about honest mistakes it's about attitude.

Say Mr. Smith was holding some priceless piece of art. If he was looking over it carefully and dropped it, damaging it, that's a mistake. But say Mr.Jones was juggling another equally priceless piece of art and being careless with it, and as a result, he dropped it, and damaged it. Now you know that is completely different.

Frankly, any real football fan would still be angry at Kermorgant. Until he rights his wrongs he will be hated by me.

Whether Wayne Brown has a reason to be hated is another thing.

Yeah, the cock is the one not reducing things to insults. Good one.

In my eyes, there is no way it's completely different. You're letting emotion cloud your judgement. If anything, your juggling example helps me out. If somebody's holding priceless art and drops it, that's careless - they've damaged it and its going to be costly to repair. I'm guessing this guy represents Chris Weale, in which case the art would be the football. At what point was Weale careful with the ball away at Derby during "that" incident? He wasn't. He wasn't taking great care whilst performing his duties at work - namely keeping goals out - seeing as he took his eye off of the ball from a harmless backpass; if anything, he was completely careless and made a huge fvckup. A fvckup which was costly to us as it meant we went from being in a position where we had at least a point to causing us to leave with 0 points.

Which brings us on to the other guy - the guy who you described as "careless". It's irrelevant how he was behaving because in this scenario he's caused the same amount of damage and achieved the same end result, only by behaving in a different way. His "carelessness" is still going to see the art need repairing at a great cost, is it not? Yann fvcked up big time behaving in a different way during the penalty shootout against Cardiff; his "careless" was his arrogant attempt at a penalty. Again, it took us from a position where we were level and ultimately put us behind - exactly the same as Weale against Derby.

Would you be feeling the same if the games were reversed and Yann made his mistake against Derby and Weale made his against Cardiff? A mistake's a mistake, period. They happen and you have to move on in order to be able to progress. If you can't see that, I'd hate to be in your position any time anything goes wrong in your life.

Oh, and if you're questioning whether or not Wayne Brown deserves to be vilified for his supposed wrongdoings, then I really have nothing else to say.

[Kitchandro]

Yeah, the cock is the one not reducing things to insults. Good one.

In my eyes, there is no way it's completely different. You're letting emotion cloud your judgement. If anything, your juggling example helps me out. If somebody's holding priceless art and drops it, that's careless - they've damaged it and its going to be costly to repair. I'm guessing this guy represents Chris Weale, in which case the art would be the football. At what point was Weale careful with the ball away at Derby during "that" incident? He wasn't. He wasn't taking great care whilst performing his duties at work - namely keeping goals out - seeing as he took his eye off of the ball from a harmless backpass; if anything, he was completely careless and made a huge fvckup. A fvckup which was costly to us as it meant we went from being in a position where we had at least a point to causing us to leave with 0 points.

Which brings us on to the other guy - the guy who you described as "careless". It's irrelevant how he was behaving because in this scenario he's caused the same amount of damage and achieved the same end result, only by behaving in a different way. His "carelessness" is still going to see the art need repairing at a great cost, is it not? Yann fvcked up big time behaving in a different way during the penalty shootout against Cardiff; his "careless" was his arrogant attempt at a penalty. Again, it took us from a position where we were level and ultimately put us behind - exactly the same as Weale against Derby.

Would you be feeling the same if the games were reversed and Yann made his mistake against Derby and Weale made his against Cardiff? A mistake's a mistake, period. They happen and you have to move on in order to be able to progress. If you can't see that, I'd hate to be in your position any time anything goes wrong in your life.

Oh, and if you're questioning whether or not Wayne Brown deserves to be vilified for his supposed wrongdoings, then I really have nothing else to say.

You are a cock because you're talking complete and utter shit!

You say 'it's irrelevant how he was behaving' - WRONG. That is the relevant thing.

It's not about the damage caused, it's the manner in which it is caused. You say behaviour is irrelevant?

Lets have another scenario. Say a player is brought down for a penalty which costs us promotion. In another scenario, such as the one involving Speedie, a player dives, winning a penalty that costs us promotion.

Here, you can see that behaviour is relevant. The same damage is caused, yet one person has done nothing wrong, whilst another has behaved poorly, thus giving people a good reason to hate him. The manner in which things happen are ery important.

Yes, Chris Weale made a mistake. But I'm sure his only thought when he was making the mistake was to help his team win. I cannot say the same for Yann Kermorgant. I'm sure he wanted to score - but he wantedd to be cocky and make a point about HIMSELF more. That's the thing, he was thinking about himsel more than the team.

There were two completely different mindsets from the said players.

[Guest ttfn]

Yann's penalty was stupid. But it's no reason to hate the bloke.

You need your priorities changing if you hate any City players.

Chris Morgan on the other hand...

[Guest Mee-9]

Sorry, that wasn't Yuki, it was me.

Didn't know sheep eat Jack Russell?

Kitchandro is a right internet warrior.

Going off topic, anyway.

I ain't a fan of N'guessan, His laziness grates on me sometimes. Don't hate the bloke tho

[Kitchandro]

Yeah, the cock is the one not reducing things to insults. Good one.

In my eyes, there is no way it's completely different. You're letting emotion cloud your judgement. If anything, your juggling example helps me out. If somebody's holding priceless art and drops it, that's careless - they've damaged it and its going to be costly to repair. I'm guessing this guy represents Chris Weale, in which case the art would be the football. At what point was Weale careful with the ball away at Derby during "that" incident? He wasn't. He wasn't taking great care whilst performing his duties at work - namely keeping goals out - seeing as he took his eye off of the ball from a harmless backpass; if anything, he was completely careless and made a huge fvckup. A fvckup which was costly to us as it meant we went from being in a position where we had at least a point to causing us to leave with 0 points.

Which brings us on to the other guy - the guy who you described as "careless". It's irrelevant how he was behaving because in this scenario he's caused the same amount of damage and achieved the same end result, only by behaving in a different way. His "carelessness" is still going to see the art need repairing at a great cost, is it not? Yann fvcked up big time behaving in a different way during the penalty shootout against Cardiff; his "careless" was his arrogant attempt at a penalty. Again, it took us from a position where we were level and ultimately put us behind - exactly the same as Weale against Derby.

Would you be feeling the same if the games were reversed and Yann made his mistake against Derby and Weale made his against Cardiff? A mistake's a mistake, period. They happen and you have to move on in order to be able to progress. If you can't see that, I'd hate to be in your position any time anything goes wrong in your life.

Oh, and if you're questioning whether or not Wayne Brown deserves to be vilified for his supposed wrongdoings, then I really have nothing else to say.

I wasn't 'questionning' it before you jump to conclusions, I was saying that it was a totally different matter. Which it is. What Wayne Brown did was not like what Chris Weale did, and if I did hate Wayne Brown that doesn't mean I should hate Weale too. And frankly, the effect it had in the play-off games is debateable.

[Fosse Boy]

Hating your own club's players is daft without a really valid reason. I was pissed off with Oakley at Derby last year and the whole squad after the Forest 5-1, but I didn't hate either because of their actions. People should be concentrating less on their prejudices and biases against certain players and transform their vitriol into an altogether more positive activity, like actually getting behind the team and not just singing when we're winning maybe? Revolutionary idea I know.

[lcfc_jme]

You are a cock because you're talking complete and utter shit!

You say 'it's irrelevant how he was behaving' - WRONG. That is the relevant thing.

It's not about the damage caused, it's the manner in which it is caused. You say behaviour is irrelevant?

Lets have another scenario. Say a player is brought down for a penalty which costs us promotion. In another scenario, such as the one involving Speedie, a player dives, winning a penalty that costs us promotion.

Here, you can see that behaviour is relevant. The same damage is caused, yet one person has done nothing wrong, whilst another has behaved poorly, thus giving people a good reason to hate him. The manner in which things happen are ery important.

Yes, Chris Weale made a mistake. But I'm sure his only thought when he was making the mistake was to help his team win. I cannot say the same for Yann Kermorgant. I'm sure he wanted to score - but he wantedd to be cocky and make a point about HIMSELF more. That's the thing, he was thinking about himsel more than the team.

There were two completely different mindsets from the said players.

In your opinion maybe, but at the end of the day, when all's said and done, the damage is the same.

If a player is brought down, then in the heat of the moment he is hated. Afterwards, the referee or the defender will take the brunt of that hate / rage / blame. Someone clearly has done wrong - the defender, breaking the laws of the game in bringing a player down and giving away a penalty. With the player diving, it is either him, the referee or both who are hated for the respective actions of diving and giving the penalty. In both situations, what is the result? WE HAVE NOT BEEN PROMOTED. I fail to see how you can't grasp the concept of achieving the same ends as a result of differing actions in your own examples?? Seriously, it's baffling.

Chris Weale was trying to help us win whilst making that mistake? Are you for real?! Usually, he'd hoof it down field first time, not try - lazily and carelessly - to take a touch. Also, I would probably suggest that Yann Kermorgant was trying to help us win by offering to take a penalty when nobody else seemingly wanted to. And I know that's not just me and my cockish ways because you have even conceded that he wanted to score. What would scoring have done, I wonder? Oh, that's right, it'd have helped the team. Funny, that.

I wasn't 'questionning' it before you jump to conclusions, I was saying that it was a totally different matter. Which it is. What Wayne Brown did was not like what Chris Weale did. And frankly, the effect it had in the play-off games is debateable.

How is it a different matter? It was a mistake - a poorly timed (see Chris Weale v Derby), badly judged (see Yann Kermorgant v Cardiff), distasteful outburst (see BlueBrett not long ago) causing dressing room unrest in a camp that had worked so, so hard all season to keep a tight unit and exceptional team-spirit. If you can't see that voicing your support for the BNP in a dressing room containing black and asian players wouldn't be pretty disruptive at best, then, frankly, you're backwards.

As it is, we'll never agree on anything and in my opinion your scenarios are just aiding me. So unless you've got any more verbal insults you'd like to throw my way, I'm done replying to you. There's no point in going round in circles and I want to enjoy my beers.

Cheers then.

[StanSP]

Hating your own club's players is daft without a really valid reason. I was pissed off with Oakley at Derby last year and the whole squad after the Forest 5-1, but I didn't hate either because of their actions. People should be concentrating less on their prejudices and biases against certain players and transform their vitriol into an altogether more positive activity, like actually getting behind the team and not just singing when we're winning maybe? Revolutionary idea I know.

Totally agree with that. Many 'fans' are too quick to point the finger of blame at someone and then hold a grudge against certain players, despite some of those certain players actually improving in the matches that follow their mistakes.

Some of these 'fans' just don't want to let go of the mistakes they make and use that energy in battering the confidence out of the players, when what the players need is totally opposite i.e. support.

[Fosse Boy]

Totally agree with that. Many 'fans' are too quick to point the finger of blame at someone and then hold a grudge against certain players, despite some of those certain players actually improving in the matches that follow their mistakes.

Some of these 'fans' just don't want to let go of the mistakes they make and use that energy in battering the confidence out of the players, when what the players need is totally opposite i.e. support.

It frustrates me no end. How can someone go in to a game positively wanting Steve Howard (or whoever) to do badly? It boggles the mind. It's almost like poeple are afraid of supporting their team lest they look a bit daft if we lose. In perpetual pessimism they keep in their comfort zone. It's a bizarre mindset to say the least.

[Jackirius]

Its kicking off.

[caz05]

Totally agree with that. Many 'fans' are too quick to point the finger of blame at someone and then hold a grudge against certain players, despite some of those certain players actually improving in the matches that follow their mistakes.

Some of these 'fans' just don't want to let go of the mistakes they make and use that energy in battering the confidence out of the players, when what the players need is totally opposite i.e. support.