Jackirius Posted 31 October 2010 Posted 31 October 2010 i believe the great majority of conspiracy theories to be complete bollox ; and quite a lot of others that are not even worth bothering about , but there are a good few that beg further investigation And sorry but asking questions such as do i believe in lizard rulers really doesn't add anything to a debate , Whatever your stance now , your initial tone was one of "conspiracy theories are all ridiculous" and anyone questioning the official versions of 911 etc are all nutters ( maybe we are ) If the Gulf of Tonkin incident was indeed a conspiracy theory that is now conspiracy fact , ( and you do not seem to be disputing it ) why then is it not taught in schools etc ? Do you know of anyone that has been taught that the USA went to war on nothing more than a staged managed incident , shouldn't it be quite an important issue in history to discuss ? If the USA did go to war in Vietnam on nothing more that a staged pretext , Can you not grasp the enormity of this to history and indeed the present day ? It seems the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour that they did, so why is it inconceivable that the same methods are being used today ? Were all the people who believed it was a conspiracy prior to it becoming a fact all lizard ruler believers ? Just to clear up is The Gulf of Tonkin thing the North Vietnamese U Boat Scenario? I think that there are alot of things which go on and have gone on which people have covered up successfully and the vast majority of people don't know what really went on. Anyway.... Thoughts on Illuminate? I find them interesting.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 31 October 2010 Posted 31 October 2010 As one of Webbo's team I feel I really should be fighting back, but so much water has passed under the bridge. It's like being a Bulgarian who live next to an aluminium factory, the red tide is just going to sweep me away!
Zingari Posted 31 October 2010 Posted 31 October 2010 yes i'm starting to think this may be a scatter gun approach to discussing conspiracy theories gulf of tonkin interspersed with lizard people sorry it was probably my fault ,
Jay Posted 31 October 2010 Posted 31 October 2010 Interesting! I've never heard of this and unfortunately can't watch the video yet. I'll watch it later when I fix my flash player again. I would say that the answer is one of three scenarios : 1. The lady is actually a time traveller. 2. The lady is a secret service agent and was talking to her boss or a co-worker on her mobile (because high level agents have awesome technology 30 or 40 years before the general public even hears about it). 3. It was some kind of event linked to bringing up a demon. Chaplin would have been involved in this kind of stuff knowing the circles he rolled in! Tough one to work out I will await your final decision after viewing the footage, it's a bit freaky that's all I can say
The Doctor Posted 31 October 2010 Posted 31 October 2010 If you believe the moon landing was fake that shows that you are clever. High five. The International Space Station = 220 miles from Earth. The Moon = 237,000 miles from Earth. Apparantly before 1971 (I think this was the last time man is supposed to have stepped onto the Moon) we could regularly send men to the Moon! But since then we can only manage to send them 220 miles up! Only another 236,780 more miles til they get there! They will never get there. Fact tbh i think the bigger proof is the cameras there, when the moon landing "happened" video cameras weren't you modern day, hand held ones, they were big ****ers, tv studioesque. How'd they get them there and set up to record the moon landing then?
l444ry Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 i believe the great majority of conspiracy theories to be complete bollox ; and quite a lot of others that are not even worth bothering about , but there are a good few that beg further investigation And sorry but asking questions such as do i believe in lizard rulers really doesn't add anything to a debate , Whatever your stance now , your initial tone was one of "conspiracy theories are all ridiculous" and anyone questioning the official versions of 911 etc are all nutters ( maybe we are ) So we do agree then! Bringing Lizard Men into the debate demonstrate the utter fooking lunacy of some of the conspiracists. I note that Empty doesn't totally dismiss them!
Zingari Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 So we do agree then! Bringing Lizard Men into the debate demonstrate the utter fooking lunacy of some of the conspiracists. I note that Empty doesn't totally dismiss them! err.. so we both agree that some/most conspiracies are bollox , some/a few are not , I don't ever remember saying "All" consparacy theories were true , Good that's got that out of the way then . But that's not getting us very far though is it ? "If" the gulf of Tonkin incident ( alongside the JFK assassination) were both massive conspiracies to facilitate USA involvement in Vietnam and conducted by some shadowy group ( for arguments sake let's call them the Military Industrial Complex ) then what does it say about who is actually running the world ? Who is pulling the strings as to when and where the next war will take place ? Do you really believe that such an organisation that would have needed to be as well structured and organised to pull off something as massive as both these events , simply got together a few days before , solely for this purpose, and just as quickly dissappeared into the night , never again to meet up ? Sorry but that really does not sound very likely does it ? It would be like saying the St Valentine's day massacre was conducted by a few random crooks who'd formulated the plan in a bar the night before. Do you still not believe that there was indeed a strong possibility of a conspiracy of the highest magnitude ?
l444ry Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 err.. so we both agree that some/most conspiracies are bollox , some/a few are not , I don't ever remember saying "All" consparacy theories were true , Good that's got that out of the way then . But that's not getting us very far though is it ? "If" the gulf of Tonkin incident ( alongside the JFK assassination) were both massive conspiracies to facilitate USA involvement in Vietnam and conducted by some shadowy group ( for arguments sake let's call them the Military Industrial Complex ) then what does it say about who is actually running the world ? Who is pulling the strings as to when and where the next war will take place ? Do you really believe that such an organisation that would have needed to be as well structured and organised to pull off something as massive as both these events , simply got together a few days before , solely for this purpose, and just as quickly dissappeared into the night , never again to meet up ? Sorry but that really does not sound very likely does it ? It would be like saying the St Valentine's day massacre was conducted by a few random crooks who'd formulated the plan in a bar the night before. Do you still not believe that there was indeed a strong possibility of a conspiracy of the highest magnitude ? And nor did I suggest ALL conspiracies were bollocks. I don't know why you keep labouring the point. Does acknowledging that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured mean that every time something bad happens from here on in, the government did it? I just don't see how you get from there to here.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 What about the RSC conspiracy? Apparently Sven was overheard on the phone saying, "Weeeeeellaaaaaaa, of course I would be very interested in the services of RSC. My bosses have promised me the funds and I am sure that we would win more free-kicks and penalties." News is that the whole team are off to Stratford-on-Avon for acting lessons.
l444ry Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 I don't know anyone who believes in the lizard men! And I can't imagine that there are too many people who do. Shape shifters are not lizards, they are demons! Edit : I suppose a demon could shift to a lizard shape if they wanted to. A bit like these then, Empty!! With evidence so conclusive it has to be case closed and a victory for the lunatics......
Zingari Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 And nor did I suggest ALL conspiracies were bollocks. I don't know why you keep labouring the point. Does acknowledging that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured mean that every time something bad happens from here on in, the government did it? I just don't see how you get from there to here. Nobody is suggesting that you should accept all conspiracies . What i'm trying to get you to grasp is that if you believe that the Tonkin incident was a conspiracy, then due to the magnitude of it , the probability of it being comitted by a group of people that just got together on this one occassion for this particular act of treason is low enough to be almost impossible . It must have been commited by a very powerful group, well versed in acts of treason and false flag ops , who had probably organised and carried many other before and since. No group could get to be this good at these sort of operation on a one-off basis , Do you really believe it could possible that they organised and carried out such an operation and then all faded away , never to attempt to alter the course of history again ? Of course not , this organisation is still pulling the strings in international affairs
coale39 Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 Interesting! I've never heard of this and unfortunately can't watch the video yet. I'll watch it later when I fix my flash player again. I would say that the answer is one of three scenarios : 1. The lady is actually a time traveller. 2. The lady is a secret service agent and was talking to her boss or a co-worker on her mobile (because high level agents have awesome technology 30 or 40 years before the general public even hears about it). 3. It was some kind of event linked to bringing up a demon. Chaplin would have been involved in this kind of stuff knowing the circles he rolled in! Tough one to work out She is struggling with her hearing aid.
BoneDog Posted 1 November 2010 Author Posted 1 November 2010 A bit like these then, Empty!! With evidence so conclusive it has to be case closed and a victory for the lunatics...... No not those! They are just stupid videos and ideas, I don't think about none of that crap! I would think that some shill makes those videos just to make some people look silly.
Jackirius Posted 1 November 2010 Posted 1 November 2010 How can you say that the Moon Landing was fake when there is a beacon up there which was put there by the original team on Yanks in 1969 and has been transmitting back down to earth ever since.
BoneDog Posted 1 November 2010 Author Posted 1 November 2010 How can you say that the Moon Landing was fake when there is a beacon up there which was put there by the original team on Yanks in 1969 and has been transmitting back down to earth ever since. I haven't seen any beacon on the Moon and I've got a £39.99 telescope from Argos. And I've got some pretty smart binoculars. Any signals they pretend to get from the Moon really come from a satellite 100 miles up in the sky. It's not easy for a human or a Nasa space-ship to get through The Van Allen Belt, not forgetting the other 200 odd thousand miles after that (and back again) but they do like to pretend that they pissed it on numerous occasions!
Jackirius Posted 2 November 2010 Posted 2 November 2010 I haven't seen any beacon on the Moon and I've got a £39.99 telescope from Argos. And I've got some pretty smart binoculars. Any signals they pretend to get from the Moon really come from a satellite 100 miles up in the sky. It's not easy for a human or a Nasa space-ship to get through The Van Allen Belt, not forgetting the other 200 odd thousand miles after that (and back again) but they do like to pretend that they pissed it on numerous occasions! Well i will have to disagree. There is a Beacon on the moon which has been sending back Atmospheric readings on the moon for the last 41 years. It is impossible that it could be transmitting from somewhere else.
Finnegan Posted 2 November 2010 Posted 2 November 2010 Moon landing conspiracy theorists are amongst the most stupid conspiracy theorists. If the Russians agree the Americans got there - they got there.
BoneDog Posted 2 November 2010 Author Posted 2 November 2010 Well i will have to disagree. There is a Beacon on the moon which has been sending back Atmospheric readings on the moon for the last 41 years. It is impossible that it could be transmitting from somewhere else. If there is a beacon on the moon then I would say that it got there by an unmanned mission like the ones that (maybe) went to Mars. Moon landing conspiracy theorists are amongst the most stupid conspiracy theorists. If the Russians agree the Americans got there - they got there. Yeah if the Russian government agree it must be true. Do you really believe that the people who control Russians and the USA are real enemies? 'Cos they're not.
Finnegan Posted 2 November 2010 Posted 2 November 2010 Yeah if the Russian government agree it must be true.Do you really believe that the people who control Russians and the USA are real enemies? 'Cos they're not. lol. It's got to be well weird being you.
coale39 Posted 2 November 2010 Posted 2 November 2010 Another mystery of the universe. Exactly. Us pattern detecting monkeys sure are great arnt we?
Finnegan Posted 2 November 2010 Posted 2 November 2010 lol lol This thread is gold. That reminded me of QI, again.
BoneDog Posted 8 November 2010 Author Posted 8 November 2010 I will await your final decision after viewing the footage, it's a bit freaky that's all I can say I forgot to reply about this but did manage to watch it on someone's laptop a few days ago (my frickin Flash player just won't fix itself even after proper uninstall/reinstall so I get perfect sounds but a choppy picture on this pc). These are the thoughts I can remember! : I started watching and thought "this must be a load of crap" but I persevered and it did get very interesting (if it isn't fake footage) around the 4 minute mark when the guy started talking again. When he slows down and zooms in on the video you can see that she is holding a rectangle black thing and talking. The fact that she is talking is strange because she is on her own and is either talking to herself, to the thing in her hand, or to the camera. You don't notice (or I didn't) the thing in her hand in the first 4 minutes, but after that you get some good paused, zoomed and slow mo shots. Then I can remember something about her fingers being wrong just after the 5 minute point. Can't remember why though, but I remember thinking "what the frick"! Also, she became see through sometime between 6.00 and 6.30 and I thought this is fake but then remembered that was probably the cross fade the guy talks about. Overall, if the clip isn't fake and is actually on the dvd then it is a freaky find for sure. She was definitely holding something and looked like she was talking into it. What makes me wonder, is why she stopped walking and looked into the camera?! Was it a set up by the film makers in 1928? Did they already have the technology for this kind of communication and were just messing about and showing off? Was it some agent job who knew that the camera was there and they were saying 'guess what we've got'? One thing is for sure - she isn't a time traveller imo. She could be a witch though, did you see the frickin shoes?! Straight out of A Wizard of Oz they were! She certainly had the hand and shoes of a movie witch! It's a tough one and I need to see it again when I get chance but so far I think either : a. the guy has edited the vid and is pissing about (but being as it is on Chemlin's Youtube channel I tend to have a bit of faith). b. the people who made the dvd added it to see if anyone noticed c. it is real footage from 1928 of a privilged person or government agent who had access to brand new communication technology (this is possible, especially considering that it was at a Hollywood Premier so there would have been quite a few of the US elite attending the event). I hope the answer is c, but whatever, the whole video is worth a watch and I would like to hear other views on what is crack. Also I'm a bit pished and hope I have remembered what cracked off, took me ages to write this pisser
BoneDog Posted 8 November 2010 Author Posted 8 November 2010 Just remembered this video, it's one of the first I ever saw that made me realise that truth is stranger than fiction. Love the gangster music intro. This vid must be at least 6 years old now but most of you dumb ass sheep (no offence) will be lapping this shaz up soon. You will be like that 'poor pathetic family' at 1.20 and be like (and you gotta say this in that divvy derrrrrrrr voice) "Yeah let's get chipped to stop the terrorists", "derrrrr I'm getting chipped to make the world a safer place and to make sure nobody can steal my cash........high five". Once you get chipped you won't be able to skive off work and play Fifa all day else they'll send a signal straight from satellite to your personal chip number and blow your mutha flukkin head clean off, so be warned. Fight back suckas, we should have the right to skive and play Fifa if we want to. They are supposed to work for us, we don't work for them. Shit yeah!!!!!! I'm gettin pumped bitches and I reckon I'm off down the council offices tomorrow to sort this out. You will all be marked with the number of the beast soon. Whatcha gonna do about it?
Finnegan Posted 10 November 2010 Posted 10 November 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11721981 SHIT YOURSELVES, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.
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