hackneyfox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Top is doing it for marketing reasons, that doesn't change things around instantly teamwise but can make a huge difference in the long term. Both could make an immediate impact playing wise, but Beckham would sell the ground out for the rest of the season. Bentley may be the better option in 2 years time. But the impact of signing Beckham and making us a household name throughout the world could continue for years. There isn't a right or wrong in this until we know who the player will be. Sadly it probably won't be either of them
Bettsj2 Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 No it doesn't, that's where you're wrong. Sometimes a bit of team spirit goes much further. There are plenty of examples of big names being shit and harming team spirit, or a team with no big names and a lot of spirit doing well. Sorry but I think everyone who wants a big name signing is not thinking about Leicester, only the orgasm they would get from seeing Becks in the flesh Anyone who doesnt want a big name signing is being particularly small minded. And i'm not wrong. You dont get to be a big name without being quality first and all this balls about harming team spirit is nonsense. Abi, Naughton, Davies, Vassell are all gonna be on loads more cash and are much higher profile than any of the players that were here before them and the team spirit seems to have improved. I'm only thinking about Leicester and I would orgasm if Becks was at the Walkers. And if you think for a second having someone like that here would be to the detrement of the club, you really need to grow up. HA!! Nobody likes being told to grow up. Mwahahahaha
Bettsj2 Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Example: Edgar Davids. Not true. Palace were shit before he arrived, they were shit whilst he was there and they're still shit now. Nothing to do with Edgar Davids. He saw how shit they were and fooked off.
Bettsj2 Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Yes, but sometimes being benched because a has-been is being played because he is a big name instead of you will piss you off I think it would be a risk not worth taking, ihe MIGHT improve the quality of the squad, but he MIGHT piss a lot of players off just by being there. One thing he definitely won't do is win promotion single-handedly The only players that would be pissed off are the ones that know in their heart of hearts that given our new found wealth and our managers ability to bring in a different level of player, there time is up anyway. Waaaaaah
Bettsj2 Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 David Bentley's quite a big name and not a has been. But not big enough I'm sure. But just as an example, if it was a choice between him and Becks who would the Thais rather have? Bentley may be a poor man's Beckham, but on his day he'd be a better than Beckham is nowadays. I'm just not interested in getting older players who are big names just for the sake of it - which is what Top wants. I'd rather have a not-so-big name who's good, than a really big name who used to be great but now is just OK. Top on the other hand, wants it the other way round Pure dick
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Agree with most of what hackney has said so far. As I said, judge by the individual and not by some narrow-minded fear of everything old. Davids was a bad idea. He had been out of football too long and even as a younger man he was disruptive. Beckham clearly isn't coming here, but in contrast he is still a top player who has recently done well at one of Europe's biggest clubs. Moreover, say what you will about his media image, the man is a fantastic, honest pro and the like of King and co could really benefit from his being here. The same can be said of many senior players. In a perfect world, the club (and every other) would be fan-owned and we would only ever sign bargain brilliance d la Lenny and Izzet whilst bringing through a Heskey, Piper and Joachim every year. But you have to face reality and the reality is that Top wants to brand the club for marketing and so it WILL happen and there ARE risks attached to this strategy. However, for the first time in our recent history we have a manager who knows how to spend big and how to find and attract genuine quality; a manager with experience who has earned the right to have confidence from his fans. I am no blind, naive sheep nor a happy puppet of corporate football but I do have faith in our manager and if he has faith in Big Name X then so do I.
ajthefox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 with regard to the original post I agree. I think some people are getting caught up with the fuss of all this and forgetting just how far we got last season. Whether we got up or not is a different issue, fact is we finished 4th, and two of the teams ahead of us were too good for this division. I'm chuffed with all the recent signings and the table showing that us since sven is title winning form, but when you consider just how good our back line is now compared to last season, we shouldn't need another half dozen players to get ourselves back to the prem. I know some say pearson over-achieved bla bla shit tactics bla bla but the 4th place we got last year is there for everyone to see, except now we have a world famous manager who has a plethora of european titles. We should not rest on our laurels and expect success just because we've made some brilliant additions because everyone knows it's not that simple, however, neither should we go all guns blazing in january buying every 'tom dick or harry' every 'uncle tom cobbler/ey' or every right sided midfielder from a top 4 team that peaked round about the last time they ripped our left back up in the premiership years ago. if we need anything this season, it's consistentcy, and that simply won't come if we fail to secure any permanent moves in january, and end up loaning in another 5 players or whatever. This squad is good enough to go up but there are no better examples of our inconsistency than our away form and saturday game. We will succeed with this team, it just needs a little bit of time to really get going.
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Our position last year, last month or last week is irrelevant. If our manager can improve our squd he always should. Such is football.
hackneyfox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 We got to 4th last season because of loan signings. I don't want to see us buy players who will have to be sold should we get promoted. If the plan is to get promoted this season then I honestly think that we should sign as many of the back 4 as possible. After that loan premier players who wouldn't want to sign for a championship club and then sign them up on promotion or buy someone else in.
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Top is doing it for marketing reasons, that doesn't change things around instantly teamwise but can make a huge difference in the long term. Both could make an immediate impact playing wise, but Beckham would sell the ground out for the rest of the season. Bentley may be the better option in 2 years time. But the impact of signing Beckham and making us a household name throughout the world could continue for years. There isn't a right or wrong in this until we know who the player will be. Sadly it probably won't be either of them Personally I'd be embarrassed if we became a household name just for signing Beckham.
Fox You Forest Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 I think some people are getting caught up with the fuss of all this and forgetting just how far we got last season. I think the complete opposite too many people do remember last season and are having trouble letting go. We finished 5th btw.
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Personally I'd be embarrassed if we became a household name just for signing Beckham. We are only a household name because of Martin O'Neill.
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Anyone who doesnt want a big name signing is being particularly small minded. And i'm not wrong. You dont get to be a big name without being quality first and all this balls about harming team spirit is nonsense. Abi, Naughton, Davies, Vassell are all gonna be on loads more cash and are much higher profile than any of the players that were here before them and the team spirit seems to have improved. I'm only thinking about Leicester and I would orgasm if Becks was at the Walkers. And if you think for a second having someone like that here would be to the detrement of the club, you really need to grow up. HA!! Nobody likes being told to grow up. Mwahahahaha No it's you who needs to grow up, it aint all about having big names, which is how some people see it. It's about being successful. Beckham is past it. Comparing Abe, Naughton, Davies and Vassell to Beckham is fooking ridiculous. They aren't big names compared to Beckham. It's not nonsense, if Beckham was having my place in the team because the owners wanted a big name I'd be pissed off. You think Beckham would be benched if he didn't play well? Get real
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 We are only a household name because of Martin O'Neill. Because we won things with him. Define 'household name' anyway. My Grandma has heard of Dagenham and Redbridge.
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 The only players that would be pissed off are the ones that know in their heart of hearts that given our new found wealth and our managers ability to bring in a different level of player, there time is up anyway. Waaaaaah How do you know that? Which players that played the second half against Doncaster aren't good enough?
hackneyfox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Personally I'd be embarrassed if we became a household name just for signing Beckham. I'm sure the rest of us will get over it and, as I keep trying to tell you, it's what happens after you've become a household name that is important.
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 We got to 4th last season because of loan signings. I don't want to see us buy players who will have to be sold should we get promoted. If the plan is to get promoted this season then I honestly think that we should sign as many of the back 4 as possible. After that loan premier players who wouldn't want to sign for a championship club and then sign them up on promotion or buy someone else in. Not this again Waghron was the only key player who was on loan. Spearing was good but only here for a short while
hackneyfox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 How do you know that? Which players that played the second half against Doncaster aren't good enough? Which players that played in the first half against Donny are good enough?
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 I'm sure the rest of us will get over it and, as I keep trying to tell you, it's what happens after you've become a household name that is important. Success isn't about being a household name You become a household name by winning things, not by having a famous player. It sounds like you'd rather us be a household name than actually win a trophy
hackneyfox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Not this again Waghron was the only key player who was on loan. Spearing was good but only here for a short while Did you not notice how Wellens game improved when Spearing turned up? Spearing did the same job that Yuki now does.
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Which players that played in the first half against Donny are good enough? Most of them. When Bednar went off I think you'd agree we looked good enough to beat anyone in this league. This is what I've been trying to drum into you. You can underperform, but not overperform.
Kitchandro Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Did you not notice how Wellens game improved when Spearing turned up? Spearing did the same job that Yuki now does. Not really, I thought he was one of our most consistent performers throughout the season. Spearing was hardly the sole reason for our 5th place finish
hackneyfox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 It's not nonsense, if Beckham was having my place in the team because the owners wanted a big name I'd be pissed off. You think Beckham would be benched if he didn't play well? Get real I didn't know you played for the team. The point is that we don't care if a player is pissed off, if they get benched it is because they aren't good enough. If they're pissed off, they can either work harder and improve their game or piss off.
hackneyfox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 christ you're hard work It's what **** happens after you become a household name, i.e **** win things with the new and improved players you have attracted to the club by being a household name. Go back a couple of pages and read this thread again, notice what everyone else is saying. Apologies to everyone else, but you can't discuss anything with him.
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