m00nie Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 Not get involved in the game, seems to drift out of the game, is always in a position where the ball isnt.... ohhh you mean "anonymous" why didnt you just sat that...
hackneyfox Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 So he's not physical enough for you? Or he's shit defensively? Or he doesn't like being on the ball? This is what I mean, what the fvck does a stupid, ambiguous phrase like 'hiding in the shadows' mean? Does it mean that he's 'gone missing'? So he's not physical enough for you? Or he's shit defensively? Or he doesn't like being on the ball? This is what I mean, what the fvck does a stupid, ambiguous phrase like 'hiding in the shadows' mean? Or 'anonymous'?
Haydos Posted 20 January 2011 Author Posted 20 January 2011 I wish he'd get stuck in/close down a bit more but i'm happy with his contribution on the whole, especially as he's our top scorer. Each to their own though
marbelladave Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 <_< Have you ever discussed something without insulting the other person. What you're saying suggests he shouldn't be in the team? Always in a position the ball isn't? Fair enough there's time's where he isn't as involved both in defence and attack but it's not always or even close to that. His form has dropped recently and he has been less influential but it sounds like you don't rate him at all. I can't agree with that last point. We have Abe to 'be where the ball is', King's strength in the past has been his positioning but like a few others have said, he is often pushed too high up the pitch to be effective. Unless you were talking about when we're in possession I'm very much a King fan but your post makes a couple of points that I find interesting. In my view 'his form has dropped recently' is primarily down to playing so far forward, which makes him easier to pick up by the defenders who of course are now well aware of his scoring ability. Less influence and less effective due to the tighter marking. Of course we would not need Abe to 'be where the ball is' if King was that bit more involved in the middle third, in fact we probably would not need Abe at all in that case. It's just another example of how our midfield so often seems to need two men to play one position or more realistically three men to play 2 positions. This is not so much having a go at the players individually, more a lament that Abe, King and Wellens often seem to be, somehow, less as a unit then they are as individuals, a real case of the total being less than the sum of the parts. This latter point is why I think our midfield, despite recent improvements, still needs a serious shake up, something I know is not a popular view on this forum.
Haydos Posted 20 January 2011 Author Posted 20 January 2011 Of course we would not need Abe to 'be where the ball is' if King was that bit more involved in the middle third, in fact we probably would not need Abe at all in that case. It's just another example of how our midfield so often seems to need two men to play one position or more realistically three men to play 2 positions. Our form, as recent threads have shown is well up there in the play-offs under Sven, so I think complaints can sometimes be harsh. If you're talking about King being an all round midfielder and not needing Abe then that effectively frees that slot for another creative type which could be a good thing. If King did have this ability he'd be even more highly rated and we'd probably be sitting a lot closer to the top of the table at this point. At the end of the day, King isn't this complete player at the moment so that's maybe irrelevant. Abe was brought (for whatever reason under Sousa) and has provided balance and a bit of tenacity. Nobody knows how much effect his playing time is having on his fitness/performance but like I said, maybe time for a rest, mentally and physically.
marbelladave Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 Our form, as recent threads have shown is well up there in the play-offs under Sven, so I think complaints can sometimes be harsh. If you're talking about King being an all round midfielder and not needing Abe then that effectively frees that slot for another creative type which could be a good thing. If King did have this ability he'd be even more highly rated and we'd probably be sitting a lot closer to the top of the table at this point. At the end of the day, King isn't this complete player at the moment so that's maybe irrelevant. Abe was brought (for whatever reason under Sousa) and has provided balance and a bit of tenacity. Nobody knows how much effect his playing time is having on his fitness/performance but like I said, maybe time for a rest, mentally and physically. We have done well under Sven but we have resources that mean we should, ideally be doing better. We need to sharpen up our away form, we got nothing from Bristol, Watford, Ipswich and Millwall when (say) a win and a couple of draws would have us one place off the playoffs! The main point remains though, our midfield is neither creative enough nor physical enough to win points in tough games away from home, simple as!
Bryn Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 The guy is a class act and doesn't deserve to lose his place. However, he's been the team's goalscorer, and I think teams are copping on to this, and I think we need to look at tactical alternatives. He could probably do with a rest as well, he's played a lot of games and hasn't had the substitutions and rests that other players have had. His performances HAVE dipped, and its a fact of football that that is an issue that needs addressing. Doesn't mean he's shit and needs fooking off though. I'd link this to a post I made the other day - I appreciate Sven's efforts to recruit big names, but I would really like us to just bring in some decent players for this level so we can have some depth and flexibility.
Raj Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 I aint as technically minded as others on here,but if a player isnt on his usual top form surely we are ok to state that? King is brilliant and we all love him,(in a father son,not homo-erotic way) but im sure he'd be the first to say he isnt exactly hitting the dizzy highs which he did on a regular basis. Perhaps teams are sussing him out and giving him abit moreattention,hence its obviously harder forhim to make an impact for 90mins each game
marbelladave Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 I aint as technically minded as others on here,but if a player isnt on his usual top form surely we are ok to state that? King is brilliant and we all love him,(in a father son,not homo-erotic way) but im sure he'd be the first to say he isnt exactly hitting the dizzy highs which he did on a regular basis. Perhaps teams are sussing him out and giving him abit moreattention,hence its obviously harder forhim to make an impact for 90mins each game Of course they are.... And playing further forward makes it easier for them to do just that...
Raj Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 Of course they are.... And playing further forward makes it easier for them to do just that... Thats what i said...and ofcourse playing further forward makes it easier for them to do just that.
Kitchandro Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 Are we really discussing King's worth in the team?!
Houdini Logic Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 <_< Have you ever discussed something without insulting the other person. see your original post - 'what the fvck does a stupid, ambiguous phrase like 'hiding in the shadows' mean?' What you're saying suggests he shouldn't be in the team? Always in a position the ball isn't? Fair enough there's time's where he isn't as involved both in defence and attack but it's not always or even close to that. His form has dropped recently and he has been less influential but it sounds like you don't rate him at all. See my post where I said 'I do think King is a great player and doesn't hide half as much as he used to' and 'when we play poor'. When he plays well, he's an asset I can't agree with that last point. We have Abe to 'be where the ball is', King's strength in the past has been his positioning but like a few others have said, he is often pushed too high up the pitch to be effective. Unless you were talking about when we're in possession I don't get how you don't know what 'going missing' means? Fair enough if you don't agree, but as a football fan surely you know what that means?!
The Year Of The Fox Posted 20 January 2011 Posted 20 January 2011 Never was even aware of him being made a scapegoat. Put it this way- where would we be in the league this season had it not been for him? 24th I'd say! Off the top of my head- (i know there are a lot more) Cov away, Florist home, leeds at home are all games hes scored a crucial goal
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