Clive Redman Posted 21 January 2011 Posted 21 January 2011 "For me, the difference between the two teams was the quality of Carlos Tevez. It wasn’t just his goal-scoring threat, it was his movement, energy and link-up play that allowed him to control the game. I would’ve fancied playing against him as he looks like the type of player you could wind up quite easily. He had a little nibble at Richie Wellens on the night and I would’ve been in his ear all game, giving him a few kicks now and again. I could’ve got him sent off, but you don’t seem to get defenders taking that approach as much in the modern game. For me, that gamesmanship is all part and parcel of the game." For more see... http://www.soarmagazine.co.uk/2011/01/21/steve-walsh-blog-all-that-matters-is-promotion/
B52 Posted 21 January 2011 Posted 21 January 2011 Personally I don't like that kind of gamesmanship but I think it depends on wich side of the fence you're on.
Thracian Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Someone suggested an excellent answer to Tevez - man mark him with Abe. The Japanese is functional rather than creative as yet and the return on stopping Tevez might have been enough to have seen us win at home. Abe is the only player in our side with the engine, speed and controlled tenacity to have neutralised Tevez. Walshie is just being himself. But, in truth he'd have had nightmares coping with Tevez and would likely have been sent off himself for all his winding the little man up.
Kitchandro Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 I don't have a problem with that kind of thing. Rolling around and diving to get players sent off I hate, that's just cowardly, but there's nothing wrong with winding them up. After all, it's their fault if they lose their rag and nut you, and it's your problem if you get a broken nose from being nutted
Haydos Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Someone suggested an excellent answer to Tevez - man mark him with Abe. The Japanese is functional rather than creative as yet and the return on stopping Tevez might have been enough to have seen us win at home. May not have been marking tev but he can't be that good at it. He let Milner ghost past him for their first in the first leg
Kitchandro Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 May not have been marking tev but he can't be that good at it. He let Milner ghost past him for their first in the first leg And let Tevez go in the replay...
Thracian Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 May not have been marking tev but he can't be that good at it. He let Milner ghost past him for their first in the first leg Abe wasn't designated as a man marker against Milner in the way Woollett used to be used for that role back in ancient times. Abe is still adjusting to English football. But given clear instructions - and preparation - I think he was the best option we had. In fact I've 100% confidence that he could have been brilliant in the role.
Haydos Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Abe wasn't designated as a man marker against Milner in the way Woollett used to be used for that role back in ancient times. Abe is still adjusting to English football. But given clear instructions - and preparation - I think he was the best option we had. In fact I've 100% confidence that he could have been brilliant in the role. Fair enough, he still let him go though and was weak in the tackle. Another point, there aren't too many players in this league who require man-marking. You can maybe rule out wide players as well as that can be done with a good full back performance.
MPH Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Tevez has way too much intelligence for walshy... he would of pulled him out of position leaving a big whole at the back...
Tommy G Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Walsh needs to stop believing his own hype. Him and Sav are my least favourite out the old guard, keep shush!!
Thracian Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Another point, there aren't too many players in this league who require man-marking. You can maybe rule out wide players as well as that can be done with a good full back performance. Couldn't agree more but it's still an important plus to have one guy available for such a task when necessary. I don't know that you'll remember Woollett but he was awesome at the job, nullifying a string of top talents and helping us to some unlikely results. Kaamark also demonstrated the value of a man marker on that famous occasion against Juninho. With Tevez I couldn't see any other option that might work. There was no way any of our back four were going to cope with him, or even get near enough to try.
Callabinho Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 I felt Bamba dealt well with Tevez, at times. Tevez is a unique striker because he doesn't mind being hit with hard challenges, he likes nitty gritty confrontations, and feeds on players getting wound up, the best way to deal with him is to not get wound up, Don't take any notice of his moaning, he gets under defenders skins get's them wound up and ultimately gets them in his pocket. He is a very clever footballer i noticed him changing between Bamba and Hobbs constantly, he was most probably saying things to them in Argie bargie, and once the ball is near him he is off like a flash. The best way to deal with him is how Per Mertersacker did in the world cup, He even stated after the game that he just let him moan and what not but didn't play up to him, ultimately he was ineffective in that game and German destroyed them. Just need to be tough and i thought Bamba did a pretty decent job on him.
Thracian Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 I felt Bamba dealt well with Tevez, at times. Tevez is a unique striker because he doesn't mind being hit with hard challenges, he likes nitty gritty confrontations, and feeds on players getting wound up, the best way to deal with him is to not get wound up, Don't take any notice of his moaning, he gets under defenders skins get's them wound up and ultimately gets them in his pocket. He is a very clever footballer i noticed him changing between Bamba and Hobbs constantly, he was most probably saying things to them in Argie bargie, and once the ball is near him he is off like a flash. The best way to deal with him is how Per Mertersacker did in the world cup, He even stated after the game that he just let him moan and what not but didn't play up to him, ultimately he was ineffective in that game and German destroyed them. Just need to be tough and i thought Bamba did a pretty decent job on him. Agree with you entirely about keeping him sweet. And I'm not going to knock Bamba either cos Tevez is a nighmare for anyone to deal with. But every time Tevez got the ball I was concerned. He saw the possibilities so early and seemed to find space so easily, right across the line. It was just the same at Leicester and for a guy who needed to be nullified he just had too much effect.. One of the big reasons I'd see Abe as a good man marker, apart from his speed, stamina and mobility, is that he'd do the job fairly, without getting sent off, yet would still get close enough to deny him some thinking time.
Zingari Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 shaggin his missus probably wouldn't have helped him settle , but possibly made her more likely to stay here
jamesmilner Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 only thug in him could say that crap , can't condone stupid talk like that , shows how much the games come on since he retired . he wouldn't have caught him neither , tevez is world class , walsh was leicester class .
deep blue Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Agree with you entirely about keeping him sweet. And I'm not going to knock Bamba either cos Tevez is a nighmare for anyone to deal with. But every time Tevez got the ball I was concerned. He saw the possibilities so early and seemed to find space so easily, right across the line. It was just the same at Leicester and for a guy who needed to be nullified he just had too much effect.. One of the big reasons I'd see Abe as a good man marker, apart from his speed, stamina and mobility, is that he'd do the job fairly, without getting sent off, yet would still get close enough to deny him some thinking time. Absolutely, which is why I suggested Abe in the first place. Obviously not as physical as Bamba, but agile enough on his feet not to get wrong-footed by Tevez. It's a good theory, anyway ...
Haydos Posted 22 January 2011 Posted 22 January 2011 Couldn't agree more but it's still an important plus to have one guy available for such a task when necessary. I don't know that you'll remember Woollett but he was awesome at the job, nullifying a string of top talents and helping us to some unlikely results. Kaamark also demonstrated the value of a man marker on that famous occasion against Juninho. With Tevez I couldn't see any other option that might work. There was no way any of our back four were going to cope with him, or even get near enough to try. Too young to see Woollett yeah, but Kaamark Legend for that performance against boro', can't remember a more disciplined and mistake-free performance. Phwooaar.
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