St. Ledger for Ireland

[tomlester93]

Most foxes fans will agree he's not looked assured at all at the back, capped off by his mistake which lost us the game against Bristol City. However for his country I know for definite he has helped keep back to back clean sheets, and the BBC match report is full of praise for Sean:

"The Irish will also be without suspended St Ledger who picked up a late booking after producing an heroic display"

"Right on the hour mark, St Ledger had to make a magnificent block when Hamsik appeared certain to score after Dunne had been caught for pace by Holosko"

Is it because he has more pride and desire when playing for his country, or simply because he doesn't feel he has Sven's 100% confidence and is very much a back up defender to Mills and Bamba?

[Craig]

Most foxes fans will agree he's not looked assured at all at the back, capped off by his mistake which lost us the game against Bristol City. However for his country I know for definite he has helped keep back to back clean sheets, and the BBC match report is full of praise for Sean:

"The Irish will also be without suspended St Ledger who picked up a late booking after producing an heroic display"

"Right on the hour mark, St Ledger had to make a magnificent block when Hamsik appeared certain to score after Dunne had been caught for pace by Holosko"

Is it because he has more pride and desire when playing for his country, or simply because he doesn't feel he has Sven's 100% confidence and is very much a back up defender to Mills and Bamba?

Or because he was playing against Slovakia?

[EnderbyFox]

Or because he was playing against Slovakia?

Slovakia are better than Bristol City?

[Fox1994]

or because their fans weren't on his back after 10 minutes

[Craig]

Slovakia are better than Bristol City?

And the Ireland side is better than ours.

[tomlester93]

OK it's easy to get clean sheets at home vs. Slovakia partnering Richard Dunne, but he got Man of the Match for his performance.

[The Doctor]

Or could it be that he hasn't actually been that bad for us?

One bad mistake v brizzle aside he hasn't done as badly as you make out.

[Fox1994]

Or could it be that he hasn't actually been that bad for us?

One bad mistake v brizzle aside he hasn't done as badly as you make out.

Agree.

[tomlester93]

Well w/e he's MotM for RoI but doesn't start for us.

[Tielemans63]

Or is it because he's played all of 2 games for us in an entirely new and unfamiliar back four? Whereas he has been able to build an understanding with Richard Dunne over many matches for the ROI?

[Guest MattP]

He made one mistake ffs.

Unreal some of this this, we might need him soon, despite Big Sol and Mills looking ok as defenders and looking comfortable on the ball no one seems to have realised they are most useless markers in the world. The amount of goals we conceded from crosses is unreal.

We will need SSL and the Tunch this year at some point.

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

I though St Ledger played well against Bristol and Bury. But he's always going to be remembered for the mistake.

[The Year Of The Fox]

MY MOM til Maynards got the second, though what was peltier npassing it back for?

[Joethemightyone]

As an Irish fan I have followed him closely and was delighted when we signed him!

He tends to get better as the game goes on too.

He has helped keep 5 international clean sheets in a row!!

When needed he will be great for us!!

[One Arm Babba]

I watched this game last night and SSL played really well. Slovakia are a decent team and had more of the play, but, Ireland should have nicked it. (robbie keane missed a great chance). SSL was up against a pacy forwardline and handled them really well.

I think his time will come with us. After 1 match you can't write him off. He'll just have to be patient and take his chance when it comes.

[sphericalfox]

I watched this game last night and SSL played really well. Slovakia are a decent team and had more of the play, but, Ireland should have nicked it. (robbie keane missed a great chance). SSL was up against a pacy forwardline and handled them really well.

I think his time will come with us. After 1 match you can't write him off. He'll just have to be patient and take his chance when it comes.

I've followed St. Ledger when he got brought into the International fold by Trappatoni, and he always seems to pull off in the majority excellent performances for Ireland.

Slovakia are a decent side, and Ireland were sluggish and bereft of ideas last night. St. Ledger played well against an organised and good passing side. Keane had travelled form La-La Land and the Doyle has only come back from injury. Missing from the picture was Long. (How I wish we had signed him <sigh>). There's no point in people trying to compare to other sides in the CCC especially Bristol City.

Yes he was culpable for the goal against the Bristol, but he is also more than capable CB.

As someone pointed out that he has become a mainstay in the line up of Ireland's defence and given time will, and I will use the old adage, when given time to gel with colleagues, be it Mills or Bamba.

What you get for 90mins from him is 100%, and I think if we get our crosses and corner delivery sorted we might even see a couple of decisive headed goals from him to during the season.

It's easy to find fault and assume a player is shite based on a couple of appearances and rustiness with the pressure of expectation from an impatient crowd, but I can only see our back four getting stronger given time, with SSL being a part of that.

[foz.foz]

I remember the crowd getting on the back of Jimmy Willis against Watford years ago. It destroyed his confidence as a player,and took nearly a season in the reserves for him to get back to form, and become a better player. Hopefully St.Ledger won't follow the same fate.

[Thracian]

Waghorn might do well for Hull just as Gradel did for Leeds, that's how it works out sometimes.

Perhaps St Leger should have concentrated as keenly for Leicester as he does for RoI cos that mistake was schoolboy naievity and he deserved exactly what he got.

What are people suggesting? That we play three centre-backs? Or even four seeing seeing as Tunchev seems to be doing well at Palace and has always seemed focused.

Or that we drop Mills or Bamba?

At two goals a game conceded so far I don't give a shit about that cos I've not been over impressed with either of them at times and that record will have to improve if we're going to get anywhere.

But that doesn't make a case for St Leger. Doubtless the bloke will be feeling hard done by but he should look to himself about that cos there's only one person to blame.

His answer is to play better next time he gets the opportunity. Or perhaps to do a personal promotion interview in the Mercury!

So far I've not been much impressed by our defence whoever plays. But that might well be at least partly down to the coaching/tactics/orgnisation rather than the players.

Cos any defence will falter if they let the opposition come at them and give people acres of space to deliver crosses.

But that had nothing to do with St Leger's mistake. There was no excuse for that. Defenders should win the ball then either pass it or whack it. Two touches tops once the ball is won. Simple.

There is nothing to gain and lots of potential pain with Bambarisms and in St Leger's case the resulting wound was deep and is taking a long time to heal.

Yes I might have asked who was making themselves available for a pass but even if there was no pass available he should have whacked the ball somewhere safe and he'll have known that on reflection.

Indeed I'd imagine he's done well for Ireland partly cos he's not done something so daft for them. And there's the lesson he needs to learn, isn't it?

[sphericalfox]

Waghorn might do well for Hull just as Gradel did for Leeds, that's how it works out sometimes.

Perhaps St Leger should have concentrated as keenly for Leicester as he does for RoI cos that mistake was schoolboy naievity and he deserved exactly what he got.

What are people suggesting? That we play three centre-backs? Or even four seeing seeing as Tunchev seems to be doing well at Palace and has always seemed focused.

Or that we drop Mills or Bamba?

At two goals a game conceded so far I don't give a shit about that cos I've not been over impressed with either of them at times and that record will have to improve if we're going to get anywhere.

But that doesn't make a case for St Leger. Doubtless the bloke will be feeling hard done by but he should look to himself about that cos there's only one person to blame.

His answer is to play better next time he gets the opportunity. Or perhaps to do a personal promotion interview in the Mercury!

So far I've not been much impressed by our defence whoever plays. But that might well be at least partly down to the coaching/tactics/orgnisation rather than the players.

Cos any defence will falter if they let the opposition come at them and give people acres of space to deliver crosses.

But that had nothing to do with St Leger's mistake. There was no excuse for that. Defenders should win the ball then either pass it or whack it. Two touches tops once the ball is won. Simple.

There is nothing to gain and lots of potential pain with Bambarisms and in St Leger's case the resulting wound was deep and is taking a long time to heal.

Yes I might have asked who was making themselves available for a pass but even if there was no pass available he should have whacked the ball somewhere safe and he'll have known that on reflection.

Indeed I'd imagine he's done well for Ireland partly cos he's not done something so daft for them. And there's the lesson he needs to learn, isn't it?

The only lesson to learn is not assume a player is going to be consistently mistake prone after seeing them play one game or two games. Mistakes are made. Midfielders and strikers can make them and they'll soon be forgotten. The defensive line are not so lucky. If you can't let go one the bone of contention just so you can rattle on with the same old prose, then why bother? Mrs. Thracian must have her head in the virtual oven.

Christ sometimes you show intelligence and draft sensible posts in reasonable logic whether I agree with it or not, but you seem to fall into the same self-made trap of reverting to form yourself.

Should we judge you when you've made a post that's been very wide of the mark and proven wrong, or do we assume that it was a blip, and your not a consistent moaner who rarely finds anything positive to say about players, the manager, or the club as a whole?

[Thracian]

The only lesson to learn is not assume a player is going to be consistently mistake prone after seeing them play one game or two games. Mistakes are made. Midfielders and strikers can make them and they'll soon be forgotten. The defensive line are not so lucky. If you can't let go one the bone of contention just so you can rattle on with the same old prose, then why bother? Mrs. Thracian must have her head in the virtual oven.

Christ sometimes you show intelligence and draft sensible posts in reasonable logic whether I agree with it or not, but you seem to fall into the same self-made trap of reverting to form yourself.

Should we judge you when you've made a post that's been very wide of the mark and proven wrong, or do we assume that it was a blip, and your not a consistent moaner who rarely finds anything positive to say about players, the manager, or the club as a whole?

This has nothing to do with any other mistakes. It is just to do with the mistake that cost us points and him his place in the team.

At no point in my post did I judge the player generally, there's been little to judge so far.

But what's to be done? He's out of the team through his own carelessness and, so far, Sven's not seen fit to put him back. What would you suggest?

To me he can only await his opportunities and concentrate properly when they come along. Because the situation is no-one's fault but his own and I don't see how what he does for Ireland will make any difference to his position at Leicester.

[sphericalfox]

This has nothing to do with any other mistakes. It is just to do with the mistake that cost us points and him his place in the team.

At no point in my post did I judge the player generally, there's been little to judge so far.

But what's to be done? He's out of the team through his own carelessness and, so far, Sven's not seen fit to put him back. What would you suggest?

To me he can only await his opportunities and concentrate properly when they come along. Because the situation is no-one's fault but his own and I don't see how what he does for Ireland will make any difference to his position at Leicester.

SSL was not in my view a shoe-in for a first team place. my belief is that he was an adequate back-up for Bamba and Mills. If his International performances are something to go by, then he has the ability to push for the first team, thus put pressure on those ahead of him in the pecking order to up their games, so his International performances have everything to do with his position at Leicester.

Mills made his mistakes, and Bamba will make his. Healthy competition for places has been Sven's plan to bring together such a large squad.

If he was bereft of confidence after his dropping, due to his mistake, it didn't show last night.

A more positive outlook would be to commend him for his game and MOTM performance in a lacklustre team, and then hope he can bring that confidence and performance back to the training ground, and help the others in the team build the confidence we need to improve at the back and hopefully the knock-on effect will be more concentration and less errors.

Try that angle for once, it'll do you the world of good!

[lcfc1983]

This has nothing to do with any other mistakes. It is just to do with the mistake that cost us points and him his place in the team.

At no point in my post did I judge the player generally, there's been little to judge so far.

But what's to be done? He's out of the team through his own carelessness and, so far, Sven's not seen fit to put him back. What would you suggest?

To me he can only await his opportunities and concentrate properly when they come along. Because the situation is no-one's fault but his own and I don't see how what he does for Ireland will make any difference to his position at Leicester.

U ****! Of course the way he played last nite should count towards him getting back in r back 4! Sven must have either watched the game or sent some1 else to watch it to c how he played! He is better than bamba and mills, he made a mistake, 1 mistake! Bamba makes loads! Your judging Sean on 1 game, well, not even 1 game, your judging him on 2 mins of football! Have u watched him play for Preston or roi where the fans love him and didn't get on his back straight away! Leicester home fans need to get a grip and b a bit more like the fans than travel hom and away to watch them. Y do u think we play better away? Cos the fans that go away go to support the pl ayers and not just to moan!

Get a grip!

[lcfc1983]

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[Thracian]

U ****! Of course the way he played last nite should count towards him getting back in r back 4! Sven must have either watched the game or sent some1 else to watch it to c how he played! He is better than bamba and mills, he made a mistake, 1 mistake! Bamba makes loads! Your judging Sean on 1 game, well, not even 1 game, your judging him on 2 mins of football! Have u watched him play for Preston or roi where the fans love him and didn't get on his back straight away! Leicester home fans need to get a grip and b a bit more like the fans than travel hom and away to watch them. Y do u think we play better away? Cos the fans that go away go to support the pl ayers and not just to moan!

Get a grip!

I don't know about a grip, but some facts might help.

In our entire programme of Championship home games last season we won 13 drew six and lost just four. Away we won six drew four and lost 13. So your comment about playing away is simply not true. In fact not even nearly true.

Being "got at" by the fans had sod-all to do with SSL's mistake anyway. It's just an excuse. He's been dropped. He deserved to be dropped and like thousands of players before him he'll have to wait his next chance.

You may be right about his being better than Mills, Bamba and perhaps every other centre-half who ever existed.

But if SSL makes cock ups like the one that got him dropped he'll not get much chance to show it.

Last night would make no difference at all. Sven won't need convincing that he's a good player. He wouldn't have signed him otherwise. But he clearly thinks that Mills and Bamba are good players too and they're the ones who are in the team that just beat the league leaders.

No they weren't perfect. But I can't see any compelling reason why Sven would make changes he didn't have to. I didn't notice any problem for the players in playing at home either. It was a thoroughly entertaining game - far better than the shit we delivered at Coventry - and we took three points not everyone would have expected.

[FoxyPV]

If he can play that well for us, then I see no reason why he can't do it for Leicester.

Bamba and Mills will be the main CBs until one of them really ****s up partly due to Mills' transfer fee and Bamba's goal threat.