Sven admits we're not good enough

[MC Prussian]

Yes but ultimately, the players were in the main bought by Sven, all were selected by Sven, he gave them the tactics and the formation, he had the opportunity to sort them out at half time, to make the correct sub changes etc. The 'clueless team lacking any sort of creativity' as you put it, is down to Sven.

If the players can't string two simple passes together, pass it sideways and backwards more than trying to attempt going forward and give the ball away easily during the match, is this the manager's fault?

[Guest Col city fan]

If the players can't string two simple passes together, pass it sideways and backwards more than trying to attempt going forward and give the ball away easily during the match, is this the manager's fault?

Course it is... You're excuses are becoming embarrassing. Kitch is right

[Guest MattP]

If the players can't string two simple passes together, pass it sideways and backwards more than trying to attempt going forward and give the ball away easily during the match, is this the manager's fault?

Well yes, who procured those players?

Are you Svens PA?

[Schlupp]

If the players can't string two simple passes together, pass it sideways and backwards more than trying to attempt going forward and give the ball away easily during the match, is this the manager's fault?

Yes because he brought them to the club.

[buzzy]

bring in lee clark from huddesfieald up and coming and 40 league games unbeaten and that on a low budge [some will say league 1] sven you have done fa but spend a lot of money . most of you will call me all of the names under the sun but i don't give a shit anymore i have had enough. losse to millwall and birmingham in a week thank god we are not playing doncaster next.

[MC Prussian]

Well yes, who procured those players?

Are you Svens PA?

Yes because he brought them to the club.

Wellens and King were all here long before Sven came to the club.

Unless I missed something?

[somebum]

If the players can't string two simple passes together, pass it sideways and backwards more than trying to attempt going forward and give the ball away easily during the match, is this the manager's fault?

Your naivety is astounding

[Schlupp]

Wellens and King were all here long before Sven came to the club.

Unless I missed something?

But you know as well as we all know it's just not those 2 is it?

[MC Prussian]

Your naivety is astounding

Not as much as your negativity.

But you know as well as we all know it's just not those 2 is it?

But today, it was mainly those two, wasn't it?

[Salieri]

I don't even know which thread to post this in as there are far too many, so all I will say is that this forum, at times like this, makes me want to eat my own head.

[somebum]

Not as much as your negativity.

One step up from your blind optimism... I have some sea front property in Birmingham if you are interested...?

[Rodders]

Most of these guys were part of the side that beat Derby at home 4-0.

Four big differences

Derby------Millwall

Mills-----------St Ledger

Fernandes--Johnson

Danns--------Wellens

Vassell-------Beckford

I thought the four on the left were four of the highest performers against Derby. The four on the right all seem to have been picked out for their lack of positive contribution today.

Mills, alongside Bamba, dominated the Derby defence.

Fernandes, I felt, was the glue that held the midfield together. Fantastic work rate and quick, simple passing (together with a peach of a ball over the top to Nugent for the opener.)

Danns was full of energy, and was constantly looking to drive forward.

Vassell's trickery caused the Derby defence all sorts of problems and he was constantly looking to make things happen.

Same team played against Birmingham, too, and looked easily in control until the penalty. With the possible exception of Konchesky, who looked vulnerable up against Beasejour all game.

[MC Prussian]

One step up from your blind optimism... I have some sea front property in Birmingham if you are interested...?

I'm neither blind nor an optimist, but trying to tell that to a pessimist can never bear fruits.

[tickler28]

Why doesnt he come out and take the blame?

Its his squad, and no one else can be blamed for the lack of width, and the fact we have too many CM's in the squad.

Why not say that he got his selection wrong, and his bench and his substitutions?

Getting sick of it really, just admit it Sven.

[Kitchandro]

Not as much as your negativity.

But today, it was mainly those two, wasn't it?

No.

Don't get me wrong I thought Wellens in particular was very poor. I thought Johnson was just about as bad though.

King is continually going missing in games. Ditto Abe. Beckford has been shocking so far.

But its not just about today, as I've said.

Fernandes is great on his day but poor the other half of the time, and he's been the most consistent of all our midfielders.

Danns has done very little.

You can slate the players and I will say fair enough, but the point you are missing is it's Sven's team and he's responsible for it! Whether he bought the players or not he's picking them and he's sending them out in a state that he thinks is fit to win a football match.

[MC Prussian]

No.

Don't get me wrong I thought Wellens in particular was very poor. I thought Johnson was just about as bad though.

King is continually going missing in games. Ditto Abe. Beckford has been shocking so far.

But its not just about today, as I've said.

Fernandes is great on his day but poor the other half of the time, and he's been the most consistent of all our midfielders.

Danns has done very little.

You can slate the players and I will say fair enough, but the point you are missing is it's Sven's team and he's responsible for it! Whether he bought the players or not he's picking them and he's sending them out in a state that he thinks is fit to win a football match.

Well yeah, exactly. Don't you think Sven is as disappointed and embarrassed by the team's performance as we all are?

[lavrentis]

Probably the worst thing he could actually say

Even if we aren't Sven, it's not exactly the way I expect players to start playing for you...

[Kitchandro]

Four big differences

Derby------Millwall

Mills-----------St Ledger

Fernandes--Johnson

Danns--------Wellens

Vassell-------Beckford

I thought the four on the left were four of the highest performers against Derby. The four on the right all seem to have been picked out for their lack of positive contribution today.

Mills, alongside Bamba, dominated the Derby defence.

Fernandes, I felt, was the glue that held the midfield together. Fantastic work rate and quick, simple passing (together with a peach of a ball over the top to Nugent for the opener.)

Danns was full of energy, and was constantly looking to drive forward.

Vassell's trickery caused the Derby defence all sorts of problems and he was constantly looking to make things happen.

Same team played against Birmingham, too, and looked easily in control until the penalty. With the possible exception of Konchesky, who looked vulnerable up against Beasejour all game.

You see this is rubbish.

Those four played well against Derby, true. Those four played against Birmingham though and didn't play well at all.

Explain how you are controlling the game at 0-0? If 1 minute later the game is lost you obviously were never in control were you?

We had a lot of possession at Birmingham, and we defended well. But in control? No way.

[Kitchandro]

Well yeah, exactly. Don't you think Sven's is as disappointed and embarrassed by the team's performance as we all are?

I hope so. The again he said we played well at Barnsley and Birmingham.

I'm sure Holloway, Levein, Pleat, Kelly, Taylor, McLintock etc. were disappointed and embarrassed by their team's performances as well, should we have let them off the hook as well?

[MC Prussian]

I hope so. The again he said we played well at Barnsley and Birmingham.

I'm sure Holloway, Levein, Pleat, Kelly, Taylor, McLintock etc. were disappointed and embarrassed by their team's performances as well, should we have let them off the hook as well?

Maybe we let them off the hook because their overall record with us as well as their playing style was... crap?

We also had a genius of a chairman in charge who thought that chopping and changing things around all the time as well as guaranteeing a steady influx of has-beens and never-heard-ofs would actually do the club some good.

[He's not bald]

This really is total bollox!

All I can see on here from the "Sven is the messiah" numpties is that it's all about the player's attitudes and "it's not his fault .

Trust me if by some miracle fluke we get any sort of result at Upton Park next week those same worshippers will be spouting off about his tactical genius and the players won't come into it!

Makes me fecking sick, wake up and smell the coffee ffs

[Kitchandro]

Maybe we let them off the hook because their overall record with us as well as their playing style was... crap?

We also had a genius of a chairman in charge who thought that chopping and changing things around all the time as well as guaranteeing a steady influx of has-beens and never-heard-ofs would actually do the club some good.

And shouldn't we treat Sven the same if he's doing crap?

OK, he's not doing as badly as most of those managers, then again he's had far more resources than most of them as well.

I don't understand what your point was - you seemed to claim that we should not slate him because he knows we're shit? (If in fact he does know).

[MC Prussian]

And shouldn't we treat Sven the same if he's doing crap?

OK, he's not doing as badly as most of those managers, then again he's had far more resources than most of them as well.

I don't understand what your point was - you seemed to claim that we should not slate him because he knows we're shit? (If in fact he does know).

Well there you go - I totally agree. IF he's doing as bad as the others mentioned in your list.

But in fact, ever since his appointment, the criticism was as strong (if not stronger) than when the others got dismissed.

Which stinks of prejudice.

And I don't really understand what point you're trying to make out of my last post, either.

I never said Sven thinks we're shit (that'd be quite an insinuation) - only that he's probably as baffled as to why we're so inconsistent, as well.

[He's not bald]

And shouldn't we treat Sven the same if he's doing crap?

OK, he's not doing as badly as most of those managers, then again he's had far more resources than most of them as well.

I don't understand what your point was - you seemed to claim that we should not slate him because he knows we're shit? (If in fact he does know).

He hasn't got a clue, I'm so angry with this we are back to the "re- doubling our efforts" days

[Kitchandro]

Well there you go - I totally agree. IF he's doing as bad as the others mentioned in your list.

But in fact, ever since his appointment, the criticism was as strong (if not stronger) than when the others got dismissed.

Which stinks of prejudice.

And I don't really understand what point you're trying to make out of my last post, either.

Well explain what you meant by that post then, because it looked like yet another desperate attempt to defend him.

Can't you understand that expectations are rightly much higher than under Levein, Kelly or Holloway? That being the case success is relative. whilst midtable would have been OK for them, it's

not nearly OK for Sven. In fact I'd argue Sven is doing worse than those 3 considering his resources.

You're really clutching at straws.