TheLabMan Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 At the Leeds game, a fan got up and shouted Nugent was useless, get him off, should not be playing for us! TBH I was gobsmacked by his comments! Is it me, or does anyone agree with me and think that Nugent is one of the most enthusiastic and passionate players in our team! He chases every ball! PLus pops it in the net quite often! ALSO, what do you all think, is Beckford just trying to gel, or (like I believe) Sven's tactics were not suited to him, and when him and Nugent start firing, they will undoubtedly be a great strikeforce?
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Bit soon to tell mate... Let's get the manager in and see what he can do with the pair of them. I'd personally like to see Schlupp given more of a chance, in his natural position. Howard, for me, needs to be on the bench to bring on if and when needed, but I wouldn't start him. And dyer would be straight back in the side.
hackneyfox Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Please NFP let's get someone better than bloody Dyer. What is that you like about Dyer Col? I appreciate that he is the only wide player we have but imo he's poor, very rarely beats his man and crosses. He's a good 3rd division player but doesn't cut it at this level, there must be many more that we can sign, and no I can't name them, that's Shakespeare's job.
Kitchandro Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Nugent has been our best player so far, had a bad game on Sunday but I couldn't criticise him too much, he's been our only good player in a few games and he does always work his socks off despite poor service. Beckford hasn't responded nearly as positively and he'll never be any good for us unless he shows a better attitude. To his credit, he did give his all when he came on against Leeds but I fear that's more because it was against them rather than anything else. Like everyone, he now has a point to prove to Pearson so he has a good reason to forget his season so far, start fresh and work hard to find form, because Nigel won't accept a bad attitude. If he does this he can develop a good partnership with Nugent because they are both good players. They will need a lot better service at some point though.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Please NFP let's get someone better than bloody Dyer. What is that you like about Dyer Col? I appreciate that he is the only wide player we have but imo he's poor, very rarely beats his man and crosses. He's a good 3rd division player but doesn't cut it at this level, there must be many more that we can sign, and no I can't name them, that's Shakespeare's job. You've hit the nail on the head mate.. Our team is severely lacking quick midfielders/wingers.. At this present time Lloyd is the only option.. That would be the first thing id be looking to change.. Some players who can get the ball at feet and attack quickly. I ain't saying Dyer is great, his final ball can be lousy to be fair.. But what he does do is to put the opposition defence on the back foot thus creating space for the strikers. Our attacking play under Sven, esp away from home was pedestrian. I'd like to see some quick, tricky lads in
monsieur grande Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 i cant see how beckford will benefit nugent, hes a selfish striker (which is mostly no bad thing for a striker), but nugent will benefit anyone
Jace Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 I think it could have potential to be the best strike force in the championship but only with a quality offensive midfield which we do not have
RyanB89 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 I think it could have potential to be the best strike force in the championship but only with a quality offensive midfield which we do not have yeh we do, we just dont have any quality out wide
Jace Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 yeh we do, we just dont have any quality out wide what about out wide in midfield then?
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 At the Leeds game, a fan got up and shouted Nugent was useless, get him off, should not be playing for us! lol I find that comment fairly ridiculous/funny. Nugent shows determination every game, and will chase every ball. The performance wasn't good enough against Leeds, and blaming one particular player is stupid. Mind you, the person in front of me at West Ham blamed Nugent for their third goal!!
m00nie Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 i must be the only one who dont think a winger is the be all and end all... some people think stick in a decent winger and all our problems are solved.. you may say the derby game was a one off but it showed we are capable of winning and wining good. i think motivation and a bit of guidance is more important that any winger, with these i feel the team could still be great. yes a winger or 2 would add to the formations available and give us more but i dont feel everything is down to not having one..
hackneyfox Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 i must be the only one who dont think a winger is the be all and end all... some people think stick in a decent winger and all our problems are solved.. you may say the derby game was a one off but it showed we are capable of winning and wining good. i think motivation and a bit of guidance is more important that any winger, with these i feel the team could still be great. yes a winger or 2 would add to the formations available and give us more but i dont feel everything is down to not having one.. The midfield as a unit is lacking pace and someone with an eye for a killer ball.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 i must be the only one who dont think a winger is the be all and end all... some people think stick in a decent winger and all our problems are solved.. you may say the derby game was a one off but it showed we are capable of winning and wining good. i think motivation and a bit of guidance is more important that any winger, with these i feel the team could still be great. yes a winger or 2 would add to the formations available and give us more but i dont feel everything is down to not having one.. I personally feel we need width/wingers. At the minute, Konchesky and Peltier seem exposed because they have no support, I often seem to think they are playing as wing backs and both of them cannot do it, as most full backs wouldn't be able to for a full game. Width would give us an option as well in my opinion. The central midfielders are often looking out wide, as midfielder's do, but there is no width there. I do think we need two wingers, and then have two central midfielders playing in 4 man midfield. I might go as far as looking for a defensive-minded, steel holding-type midfielder because I always think our midfield gets overrun to easily. We could have a look at someone in the mold of Howson (Leeds).
artursteppe Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 For everyone who thinks we need two wingers to be successful, you would have to accept that Wellens, Gallagher and King would never be in the side. Having two strikers, and two wingers would mean we would have to have two central midfield players who could tackle and are capable of a high work-rate - these are attributes that do not exist at all in Wellens or Gallagher or King!
paulsherwood1 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 The problem is not necessarily paced wingers, it's more the jobs the midfield do. If you look at our most successful midfield when we dominated some of the best teams under MON, it was more to do with right blocks in right holes, which we dont have now. Savage - snapped around the midfield harrying opponents before giving the ball to Lennon or izzet. - we don't have this player in our midfield now, that's why we are so powder puff in midfield, no enforcer. Lennon - sat in centre circle picking up the savage bits and pieces and playing simple balls to the creative players of guppy or izzet. - johnson could probably take this role, or maybe wellens ( but he does like to get forward a bit much for this role ) abe does not think quick enough to do it. Izzet - creative, dangerous and also snapped at the oppositions heels, weighing in with a fair few goals - Andy king could take this role, but we needs to defend better to match izzet. Guppy - slow, but accurate winger, great with the deadball and dangerous from free kicks - when fit gallagher fits this role perfectly. You don't need pace, just skill. Up front it's possible beckford and nugent could work, beckford taking the Heskey role and nugent the cottee role. I do think we need more options should gally be injured, as there is no real replacement.
tomtom Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 For everyone who thinks we need two wingers to be successful, you would have to accept that Wellens, Gallagher and King would never be in the side. Having two strikers, and two wingers would mean we would have to have two central midfield players who could tackle and are capable of a high work-rate - these are attributes that do not exist at all in Wellens or Gallagher or King! Wellens would be fine , but take your point on gally and king
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 For everyone who thinks we need two wingers to be successful, you would have to accept that Wellens, Gallagher and King would never be in the side. Having two strikers, and two wingers would mean we would have to have two central midfield players who could tackle and are capable of a high work-rate - these are attributes that do not exist at all in Wellens or Gallagher or King! I think Wellens might be ok. If he has a holding man with him, he can drive forward which he is best at. Wellens isn't a defensive midfielder which is where he has been playing recently. Under Pearson, I cannot recall Wellens ever playing like a holding man, because it isn't his game. In the second half against West Ham, Wellens was more free. He was able to drive with the ball which is what he is good at. He also played in that sort of role against Hull last season, away from home. I'd love us to sign a real, steel, hardcore, holding man to play in midfield. Someone who just sits and breaks up play. Lovely.
bluearmyfox23 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 If you mean having another deadball speciallst i have 3 in mind. 2 are wingers in whittingham or darren ambrose. Or left back cover in ian harte? I personally think michael ball isnt good enough !!
Happy Fox Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 I think Wellens might be ok. If he has a holding man with him, he can drive forward which he is best at. Wellens isn't a defensive midfielder which is where he has been playing recently. Under Pearson, I cannot recall Wellens ever playing like a holding man, because it isn't his game. I'd love us to sign a real, steel, hardcore, holding man to play in midfield. Someone who just sits and breaks up play. Lovely. Who fits that description in the championship? I cannot think of too many
bluearmyfox23 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Who was tht lad that Played dm for sheffield united last year he would provide us with the steel in midfield ?
Happy Fox Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 If you mean having another deadball speciallst i have 3 in mind. 2 are wingers in whittingham or darren ambrose. Or left back cover in ian harte? I personally think michael ball isnt good enough !! We need a young attacking left back to compliment Paul Konchesky, I dare say it maybe James Chester from Hull City
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 We need a young attacking left back to compliment Paul Konchesky, I dare say it maybe James Chester from Hull City James Chester is a centre-half?
Happy Fox Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 James Chester is a centre-half? Ooops I meant Joe Dudgeon
bluearmyfox23 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 We need a young attacking left back to compliment Paul Konchesky, I dare say it maybe James Chester from Hull City Ian harte gets forward alot despite his age he is also very solid at the back! I would of thought we would of tried to get cunningham back too? Anyway james chester is a centre back who i would like pearson to bring with him !!
bluearmyfox23 Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Ooops I meant Joe Dudgeon I have heard good reports of this lad but never seen him play. Also is rosenior any good at attacking ?
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