Uncle Monty Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Bamba has had a terrific season. However poor we were at the start of the season, you really cannot blame Bamba. He's been pretty much faultless, I'd be the first to say if he had because his driving forward worries me as much as anyone, but he really does not deserve any stick. King has been anonymous for a while now. The problem I have with King was that he was anonymous in much play last season as well, but he was scoring goals - which he's not anymore. Agreed.
Burmesefox Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 King has been dog shit all season. in fact he hasn't played well since last Jan. The fact that thius goes relatively unoticed is a travisty and yet all the attention is heaped onto Wellens who has been pivotal in everything our club has done since he joined. Wellens is involved in everything and has been carrying Andy "I'm so loved because I came through the ranks and once upon a time I had potential to be a premiership player but now I am a ghost of my former self that prances around the pitch like a gaybo in a tutu expecting the whole team to play my way" King. Sell King, please.
Leicester Falcon Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Good post and in my view the absence of these two players, two I've been hoping Mr Pearson would leave out for some time now, have played a massive part in our recent form. King was like a passenger too often than not in this team and since he's been out, with Danns in there and genuine width from Dyer and Gallagher, we've been superb. The movement of both our players and the ball has gone up ten fold and we look dangerous every time we go forward at the minute. Bamba is someone I'd love to see us cash in on. I can't see why the bloke is so highly rated. He's big and strong yes but his positional play is terrible. If he didn't have the legs to bail himself out so many times then we'd all be pointing the finger at him. St Ledger is such a better option and in him we have a proper steady defender. His sound positional play will also benefit Mills who seemed to get caught out a lot when playing with Bamba, probably because of the latter abandoning his defensive duties. Without these two, this team can go along way. In this sort of form we will beat anyone in this division.
Corky Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Good post and in my view the absence of these two players, two I've been hoping Mr Pearson would leave out for some time now, have played a massive part in our recent form. King was like a passenger too often than not in this team and since he's been out, with Danns in there and genuine width from Dyer and Gallagher, we've been superb. The movement of both our players and the ball has gone up ten fold and we look dangerous every time we go forward at the minute. Gallagher offers genuine width? When?
chris_lcfc_85 Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Guys, im still stunned by some of the critiscm King is getting. Granted he's been poor this season but his form in recent years has been excellent, plus some of the goals he's scored in that time have been genius. Even under Sousa, he grabbed a few and had 3 or 4 disallowed! The guy is having a tough time and yes, he should wait his turn as he's not been good enough recently but that doesnt mean he's poor or needs to be sold! Only a few weeks ago, people wanted Dyer sold.... Now he's in most people's starting 11!! We should try and hold on to our young players and give them time to improve/get their form back. As for Bamba, the bloke has been consistently the best defender this season. Mills has been average and St Ledger very average until very recently. Based on that, i'd stick with St Ledger and Mills purely because they've earned the right to play. Bamba is a GREAT option to have as backup...
AdamN Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Bamba is someone I'd love to see us cash in on. I can't see why the bloke is so highly rated. He's big and strong yes but his positional play is terrible. If he didn't have the legs to bail himself out so many times then we'd all be pointing the finger at him. But he does, so what's the issue?
Guest MattP Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Bamba has had a terrific season. However poor we were at the start of the season, you really cannot blame Bamba. He's been pretty much faultless, I'd be the first to say if he had because his driving forward worries me as much as anyone, but he really does not deserve any stick. King has been anonymous for a while now. The problem I have with King was that he was anonymous in much play last season as well, but he was scoring goals - which he's not anymore. He hasn't, he has cost us quite a few goals with his positioning and the defence clearly looks looks far more settled and confident without him in it. For al those saying his pace gets him out, quality centre halves shouldnt need to keep "getting themselves out of trouble" Excellent defences don't give the chance in the first place.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Absolutely. Besides, who's not to say that SSL isn't playing his heart out to attract managers to come and buy him. All the players we currently have, even those we have gotten rid of recently, are more than capable of playing well at this level - it's just a case of both getting the best out of them and recognising the inevitable dips in form so that you can rota the squad accordingly. Bit cynical that about SSL Right about the squad rotation though
Webbo Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Don't change a winning side. Bamba will have to wait his turn. By the time Bamba's back we might not have a winning side again, the same with King coming back from injury.
wellyfox Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 bamba in for mills, mills played well last 2 games but apart from that has been poor. Bad move IMO Reason as much as I like Bamba he is a loose cannon That makes it harder for his partner. Bamba + SSL = poor SSL Bamba + Mills = poor Mills Mills + SSL = strong pair Do we need a slide rule Danns has been slated on here too but in his CM position had 2 good games. and without King Wellens has improved. It's a shame NP did not give these two a chance earlier like he claimed he would give everyone a chance. Now he has had to do it we look atm a different team. we may have been a lot better off had he tried this sooner. And no this is not hind sight. I have no probs with NP But have moaned previous that he has not given these two a fair chance.
Thracian Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Guys, im still stunned by some of the critiscm King is getting. Granted he's been poor this season but his form in recent years has been excellent, plus some of the goals he's scored in that time have been genius. Even under Sousa, he grabbed a few and had 3 or 4 disallowed! The guy is having a tough time and yes, he should wait his turn as he's not been good enough recently but that doesnt mean he's poor or needs to be sold! Only a few weeks ago, people wanted Dyer sold.... Now he's in most people's starting 11!! We should try and hold on to our young players and give them time to improve/get their form back. As for Bamba, the bloke has been consistently the best defender this season. Mills has been average and St Ledger very average until very recently. Based on that, i'd stick with St Ledger and Mills purely because they've earned the right to play. Bamba is a GREAT option to have as backup... People have been asking for most ot the season what's wrong with King and those who know about Achilles injuries will realise now. He certainly didn't become a bad player overnight so there had to be an explanation. And Bamba has also been excellent at times so quite why everyone is so quick to condemn I don't know. I'm sure that good will come out of the situation - it already has in the short term - but I don't see why either player cannot return and make a further contribution (barring ill fortune) and we should be glad of that. Compeition for places and the opportunity to rest players is vital. What was particularly nice about the Southampton trip was being able to stand up and sing for 90 minutes without listening to morons behind and around me calling our team every name imaginable almost from start to finish. I didn't see any of them at Southampton which didn't surprise me. But their absence sure made for a good day out.
Guest MattP Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Bamba + SSL = poor SSL Bamba + Mills = poor Mills Mills + SSL = strong pair Think you have just hit the nail on the head.
wellyfox Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 People have been asking for most ot the season what's wrong with King and those who know about Achilles injuries will realise now. He certainly didn't become a bad player overnight so there had to be an explanation. And Bamba has also been excellent at times so quite why everyone is so quick to condemn I don't know. I'm sure that good will come out of the situation - it already has in the short term - but I don't see why either player cannot return and make a further contribution (barring ill fortune) and we should be glad of that. Compeition for places and the opportunity to rest players is vital. What was particularly nice about the Southampton trip was being able to stand up and sing for 90 minutes without listening to morons behind and around me calling our team every name imaginable almost from start to finish. I didn't see any of them at Southampton which didn't surprise me. But their absence sure made for a good day out. I was not condemning him I think as an individual player he is great. But it's a team game and being the loose cannon he is he don't make life easy for his partner.
Guest Col city fan Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 I think the whole Bamba debate comes down again to the partnership thing. Sure, in isolation, Sol may be a better player than either Mills or St Ledger. But, if the latter two play more confidently together, can communicate better between each other and feel defensively more solidly when playing alongside each other, then the partnership becomes more important than the attributes of the individual player. Without a doubt, if Bamba were available straightaway, I'd stick with Mills and SSL for the meantime. Their partnership seems to be developing. I'm a big Sol fan, and in terms of individual attributes, I rate him as our best centre back. But if he's a loose cannon in terms of playing in a partnership, this could be why he has never excelled himself in terms of joining really big clubs and why we picked him up so cheaply.
Thracian Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 I was not condemning him I think as an individual player he is great. But it's a team game and being the loose cannon he is he don't make life easy for his partner. The word wasn't specifically aimed at you. Bamba attracts mixed reactions partly for the reasons you mention. But I don't think any of our centre-backs are beyond criticism.
absolutelegend Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 I personally think Sol is by far our best player. However, don't change a winning formula. Sol will get his chance again. + what a sub!
MikeyT Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Keep the team as it is and you can't drop SSL for Bamba. He's been brilliant since he's come back into the side. Very unfair if Bamba walks straight back in.
howsyourfather Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 Andy King has frustrated me for years, he's weak and does very little. It's great to see how well the midfield is working without him there. I know he's scored some important goals over the past few seasons but this season he has been shocking so as far as i'm concerned it's no big deal he's injured. As for Bamba, I don't think you can change the team when he comes back if Mills and St Ledger are still playing as they are now.
Burmesefox Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Guys, im still stunned by some of the critiscm King is getting. Granted he's been poor this season but his form in recent years has been excellent, plus some of the goals he's scored in that time have been genius. Even under Sousa, he grabbed a few and had 3 or 4 disallowed! The guy is having a tough time and yes, he should wait his turn as he's not been good enough recently but that doesnt mean he's poor or needs to be sold! Only a few weeks ago, people wanted Dyer sold.... Now he's in most people's starting 11!! We should try and hold on to our young players and give them time to improve/get their form back. Mate, King has not performed since last Jan - I've been monitoring him and feel he is teh most over rated player we have. I'm really not one for closing the door on players but I honestly believe that he would improve if he moved clubs.
Danno Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 I wouldn't be bothered if either/both of them left.
Guest MattP Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 I personally think Sol is by far our best player. However, don't change a winning formula. Sol will get his chance again. + what a sub! By far our best player? Have you not watched Kasper, Konchesky and Nugent play?
liamsm Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Look a much better unit IMO ,with Bamba and King out.St Ledger for what ever reason seems to be playing extremely well, and the back four look more solid.Danns playing a central role is also responsible in showing signs of a more balanced team IMO. Bamba is a good player but should he expect to resume his place in the back four,I don't think so,thoughts? I agree with you, i think we should try bamber as an attacking midfielder
liamsm Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 He hasn't, he has cost us quite a few goals with his positioning and the defence clearly looks looks far more settled and confident without him in it. For al those saying his pace gets him out, quality centre halves shouldnt need to keep "getting themselves out of trouble" Excellent defences don't give the chance in the first place. "he has cost us quite a few goals with his positioning" So Mills hasn't cost us a few points with his needless red cards?
Guest MattP Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 "he has cost us quite a few goals with his positioning" So Mills hasn't cost us a few points with his needless red cards? Absolutely. What's your point?
Guest MattP Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 I agree with you, i think we should try bamber as an attacking midfielder Why not try him in goal?
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