Was the squad Pearson inherited worse than the one Sven did?

[seenitall]

So how does that explain your stance on Sven then? Surely he should have been able to get as much from Pearsons players as Pearson did? Pearson is getting as much from his players as Sven managed.

Ignore button broke then, or couldn't you resist me? Sven averaged 1.64 points with Sousa/Pearson team and his loan signings - enough to make the play offs that year if pro rata'd out (76 points) but they foolish firing of Nige and bringing in of Sousa left too big a hill to climb - I'd say that return was pretty good after they had been demoralised at the bottom of the league (I know, anyone could have turned that around, except Paulo perhaps)

Bringing in too many players was his downfall and he paid with his job - most (even you) agree now that Christmas may have been a wiser time to take a look at how it was going, unless we had been bottom 3, but Top panicked, especially after the boos v Millwall.

Nige has struggled to take this team (who were performing at a 1.46 ratio under Sven) and kept them at a slightly lower but similar return for the rest of the season - they have bottled it whenever the big chance has come and if Sven paid with his job, Nige should too - it won't be until October/Nov but that is a shame because next season may also be a wash out - then Top will start to get itchy feet IMO

[seenitall]

Except their Championship strike rates obviously.

OK - Nugent has 14 from 36 to Matty's 15 from 42 this year - I'll havee to concede on Beckford, although personally I'd rather have him than Fryatt, but hey, what about Waggy and Big Steve's championship records?

[Mark_w]

OK - Nugent has 14 from 36 to Matty's 15 from 42 this year - I'll havee to concede on Beckford, although personally I'd rather have him than Fryatt, but hey, what about Waggy and Big Steve's championship records?

It's not a fair comparison, Waghorn was played out of position when he got off the bench last year. If you compare his first Championship season to Beckford's this year I doubt there is much difference, Waghorn's is probably better if you don't take into account a season where are managers thought he was a left winger or lone striker who could effect games by coming on as a sub with 5 minutes remaining.

[seenitall]

That's not what he's saying! Hull had different expectations to us and a much smaller budget than us. NP only spent very little there, presumably, because that's all he was allowed to spend. If NP ever gets handed a transfer budget like Sven got in the summer, I'm certain we'll be better off than we are now.

Where do you get the idea that only a minority of us want the club to succeed? Just because most of us understand that building a successful team takes a bit of time and patience, does not mean that we're happy to see the club underachieve. Why is it those who can see that ripping it up and starting again every 5 months won't get us anywhere are in the majority?

As ever, back it up - it is such crap to suggest that they took on Nige because they wanted to finish mid table and were delighted when he delivered just that - I bet they wrote that in their opening match day programme - we're gonna try and stay as near the middle of table as possible this year and in Nigel Pearson we have found just the man for the job!

So contradictory - time and patience will deliver what you want with the right man in the job - we blew that. Time and patience with the wrong man will get you nowhere but frustrated - the man has now under performed 2 seasons running with 2 different teams of varying qualities and yet it is everyone else's fault but Niges - nice man (bit dull) but he is taking us nowhere and the fact you all love him suggests either a. You believe he will turn a corner soon, either through the acquisition of some undiscovered talent in the lower leagues or b. you have lowered your expectations for the club like you think Hull did.

We are in the doldrums and need a manager who believes we are a big club - if Nige had any balls at all, he'd quit

It's not a fair comparison, Waghorn was played out of position when he got off the bench last year. If you compare his first Championship season to Beckford's this year I doubt there is much difference, Waghorn's is probably better if you don't take into account a season where are managers thought he was a left winger or lone striker who could effect games by coming on as a sub with 5 minutes remaining.

Good grief

[Mark_w]

Good grief

Fine pick out the few words from that post you like and ignore everything else.

Edit: Taking into account the one season Waghorn played regularly in his position, just as Beckford has, as I said. (If you trust Wikipedia)

Beckford - 8 in 33

Waghorn - 12 in 43

[Raw Dykes]

On and on we go eh? Sven's sacking was a gargantuan screw up, right up there with Blackburn firing Allardyce - and guess what, he was fired by an inexperienced board with little football knowledge too. But it is by the by - he was fired because he couldn't get enough points on the board by the time they panicked - and who cares anyway, it is history now - we have to hope that the same fools that run the club realise they have made another mistake and put it right - don't think they will until next season has been forfeited too - Oh well.

You've gone off on a tangent. I was having a dig at your double-standards. You said the problem is always the manager, but I know you don't think that. What you meant was, "The problem is always the manager, when the manager is someone I don't like. When a manager I do like is not getting a team to perform, then it's always someone else's fault."

"he was fired because he couldn't get enough points on the board by the time they panicked"

Maybe, but there might have been other reasons, as well.

"don't think they will until next season has been forfeited too"

You cannot see into the future. No-one can. You've already decided that if NP stays, we're bound to fail. No wonder you're so miserable all the time. If they fire NP in October/November after he's made changes to the squad, and it becomes clear that the team is showing no signs of improvement when the season settles down, then the owners will be making a good well-informed decision based on sufficient evidence. As things stand, we don't know. 5 months with someone else's squad is nowhere near enough time to fairly judge a manager. In October, we could be top of the table, we could be bottom. Stop acting like you're Nostradamus or Mystic Meg.

[seenitall]

I couldn't see any other words - besides when a statement is that absurd (and let's face it, didn't we offer up to £3m for this lad) it is hard to see anything else. surely your 'good manager' theory falls apart for Nige then as he has regularly played him out of position. As it happens, i feel sorry for Waggy, seems like a good industrious chap, but he is a long way from getting a transfer to a proper club now and looks set to be one of those fellas who drop down the leagues - sorry for taking the piss

[chris_lcfc_85]

As ever, back it up - it is such crap to suggest that they took on Nige because they wanted to finish mid table and were delighted when he delivered just that - I bet they wrote that in their opening match day programme - we're gonna try and stay as near the middle of table as possible this year and in Nigel Pearson we have found just the man for the job!

So contradictory - time and patience will deliver what you want with the right man in the job - we blew that. Time and patience with the wrong man will get you nowhere but frustrated - the man has now under performed 2 seasons running with 2 different teams of varying qualities and yet it is everyone else's fault but Niges - nice man (bit dull) but he is taking us nowhere and the fact you all love him suggests either a. You believe he will turn a corner soon, either through the acquisition of some undiscovered talent in the lower leagues or b. you have lowered your expectations for the club like you think Hull did.

We are in the doldrums and need a manager who believes we are a big club - if Nige had any balls at all, he'd quit

Good grief

There's no doubting we have underachieved with NP so far.

However, CAN WE JUST GIVE A PROPER CHANCE to bring in some of HIS players.... Managers get highly judged on signings so at least give him that chance.

There's not been a big difference in Sven/Nigel this season in terms of form but Svan has spent 4 or 5 times more than NP so unfair judgement.

You cant sack a manager everytime you take one step back.... Its about giving a man some time to put it right rather than sacking him.

I really cant understand your total negativeness towards NP

[seenitall]

You've gone off on a tangent. I was having a dig at your double-standards. You said the problem is always the manager, but I know you don't think that. What you meant was, "The problem is always the manager, when the manager is someone I don't like. When a manager I do like is not getting a team to perform, then it's always someone else's fault."

"he was fired because he couldn't get enough points on the board by the time they panicked"

Maybe, but there might have been other reasons, as well.

"don't think they will until next season has been forfeited too"

You cannot see into the future. No-one can. You've already decided that if NP stays, we're bound to fail. No wonder you're so miserable all the time. If they fire NP in October/November after he's made changes to the squad, and it becomes clear that the team is showing no signs of improvement when the season settles down, then the owners will be making a good well-informed decision based on sufficient evidence. As things stand, we don't know. 5 months with someone else's squad is nowhere near enough time to fairly judge a manager. In October, we could be top of the table, we could be bottom. Stop acting like you're Nostradamus or Mystic Meg.

How can you know what I think - the manager is where the buck stops end of, always believed it always will

I didn't mean the next bit you wrote either - totally wrong, and who says I don't like Nige, I just think he is wrong for this job now

As for predicting how I think things will go - is this a football message board? Isn't that what everyone does? Isn't that why there are betting shops and form tables and the football pools etc etc -

And as for being miserable - not at all, far from it chap, with entertainment like you get on here for free, who actually needs the footy

[seenitall]

There's no doubting we have underachieved with NP so far.

However, CAN WE JUST GIVE A PROPER CHANCE to bring in some of HIS players.... Managers get highly judged on signings so at least give him that chance.

There's not been a big difference in Sven/Nigel this season in terms of form but Svan has spent 4 or 5 times more than NP so unfair judgement.

You cant sack a manager everytime you take one step back.... Its about giving a man some time to put it right rather than sacking him.

I really cant understand your total negativeness towards NP

Negativity - he will possibly get that chance - do I believe he has the ability to make the most of it ? ..............................

[Mark_w]

How can you know what I think - the manager is where the buck stops end of, always believed it always will

I didn't mean the next bit you wrote either - totally wrong, and who says I don't like Nige, I just think he is wrong for this job now

So why do you have a problem with giving him an extra what 6 or so months to show whether or not he is the right man for the job given a full transfer window?

[seenitall]

Because he is the wrong man for the club - it's just an opinion. If I'm wrong I will be in Premier League heaven with you all, if I'm right we're wasting another season - bet I'm right

[Mark_w]

Because he is the wrong man for the club - it's just an opinion. If I'm wrong I will be in Premier League heaven with you all, if I'm right we're wasting another season - bet I'm right

It's a very frustrating one seeing as he has already had to spend two years proving he isn't the wrong man for the club.

[chris_lcfc_85]

It's a very frustrating one seeing as he has already had to spend two years proving he isn't the wrong man for the club.

In that time, NP has had 140 games, won 69, drew 39 and lost 32...... Pretty good!

[seenitall]

It's a very frustrating one seeing as he has already had to spend two years proving he isn't the wrong man for the club.

Went off with a strop after blowing the play offs and has struggled at Hull (despite their low expectations) came back to Leicester and has struggled here. Has no loyalty (ditched City, ditched Hull) and chases the dollar, bottles the big occasion and then is lost for words - that is another way of looking at Nige - not most peoples but some I'd wager - just because you like him doesn't mean we all have to you know

[chris_lcfc_85]

Went off with a strop after blowing the play offs and has struggled at Hull (despite their low expectations) came back to Leicester and has struggled here. Has no loyalty (ditched City, ditched Hull) and chases the dollar, bottles the big occasion and then is lost for words - that is another way of looking at Nige - not most peoples but some I'd wager - just because you like him doesn't mean we all have to you know

Have it your way then.... If your anti NP then fine.

Im sure if things go tits up, you'll be first on here to laugh and say told you so.....

[Babylon]

Sven averaged 1.64 points with Sousa/Pearson team and his loan signings - enough to make the play offs that year if pro rata'd out (76 points) but they foolish firing of Nige and bringing in of Sousa left too big a hill to climb - I'd say that return was pretty good after they had been demoralised at the bottom of the league (I know, anyone could have turned that around, except Paulo perhaps)

All I have time to answer at the moment. But Sven had the luxury of bringing in pretty much who he wanted, why could he not get better out of the team Pearson got to the playoffs the year before. Why did he need to buy those players, when the team was already proven good enough to the very least stay up.

He was allowed to bring them in to get promoted, end of story. He got within 2 points of the playoffs on what I think was the 1st of March. He could easily have got into the play offs from that position, but made numerous mistakes and blew the chance massively.

[danfox76]

Because he is the wrong man for the club - it's just an opinion. If I'm wrong I will be in Premier League heaven with you all, if I'm right we're wasting another season - bet I'm right

piss off

[seenitall]

piss off

OK then - good to see the standard of posts is steadily improving - ****

[danfox76]

OK then - good to see the standard of posts is steadily improving - ****

about equal to the shite you post as far as i can see.

[Gubbins]

I dont think theres really much doubt that player for player the squad at the moment is better than the one Sven inherited and that it is a major black mark against NP that he has been unable to get them into the Play-Offs particularly given how pathetically weak the division is outside the top 4 teams. I refuse to accept that the reason for this failure is down to NP not having enough of 'HIS' players in the team. Since he returned the midfield (our weakest area) has been predominantly made up of NPs old guard and its not like all of the other players are in need of replacement, Danns, Nugent and Schmeichel are all likely to be players he is pleased to have both in terms of ability and attitude. If anything NP is in a much better position than most managers are 7 months into a job as close to half of his squad are players he has either signed or worked with before yet he still cant mould them into a competent unit. A decent manager should be able to do this regardless of whether he signed the players or not.

[Babylon]

I dont think theres really much doubt that player for player the squad at the moment is better than the one Sven inherited and that it is a major black mark against NP that he has been unable to get them into the Play-Offs particularly given how pathetically weak the division is outside the top 4 teams. I refuse to accept that the reason for this failure is down to NP not having enough of 'HIS' players in the team. Since he returned the midfield (our weakest area) has been predominantly made up of NPs old guard and its not like all of the other players are in need of replacement, Danns, Nugent and Schmeichel are all likely to be players he is pleased to have both in terms of ability and attitude. If anything NP is in a much better position than most managers are 7 months into a job as close to half of his squad are players he has either signed or worked with before yet he still cant mould them into a competent unit. A decent manager should be able to do this regardless of whether he signed the players or not.

Blimey rare to get decent posts negative about Pearson that don't go over the top

Although, to say he has his own players here and should be doing better I'm not sure about. Don't people on here slate all of these players almost non stop, telling us how shit they are? You can't use it as a negative and a positive to have these players.

[Guest Col city fan]

I don't think you can say the whole squad was worse. Or that it was worse per se.

But I wouldn't have gotten rid of Fryatt and Hobbs personally.

Both of them are good players at this level and, in the case of Hobbs, will only get better IMO.