The Mysterious Death of Gareth Williams.

[Zingari]

What do you good chaps think ?

http://en.wikipedia....Gareth_Williams

http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-17872671

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9175962/Was-MI6-spy-in-a-bag-Gareth-Williams-killed-by-secret-service-dark-arts.html

[Guest MattP]

Homosexual Sex game gone wrong. Wanking in the bag whilst locked in it.

Some of them love shit like that, I'm not even 30 and know a couple that have died in kinky sex games.

[Zingari]

Homosexual Sex game gone wrong. Wanking in the bag whilst locked in it.

Some of them love shit like that, I'm not even 30 and know a couple that have died in kinky sex games.

how did he lock the bag from the inside ?

[Guest MattP]

how did he lock the bag from the inside ?

Didn't the coroner say that was "unlikely but not impossible"?

I'm not saying he did btw, wouldn't surprise me if someone else was present.

[Zingari]

Didn't the coroner say that was "unlikely but not impossible"?

I'm not saying he did btw, wouldn't surprise me if someone else was present.

Wouldn't that make it likely to be an unlawful killing ?

Why then is the coroner not even considering that as a possibility ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17922388

I am only asking questions to get some sort of clarity , nothing else.

[Babylon]

So, you want to get rid of a spy who has information that's damaging. What's the most low profile but effective way off killing him without anyone suspecting a thing...

[Zingari]

So, you want to get rid of a spy who has information that's damaging. What's the most low profile but effective way off killing him without anyone suspecting a thing...

Are you suggesting the best way to murder someone who loves swimming in the sea , is to arrange for them to "bump their head on a rock" and drown ?

[Guest MattP]

Wouldn't that make it likely to be an unlawful killing ?

Why then is the coroner not even considering that as a possibility ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17922388

I'm not saying it was lawful, I think something dodgy has gone on at some point.

I am only asking questions to get some sort of clarity , nothing else.

[Guest MattP]

So, you want to get rid of a spy who has information that's damaging. What's the most low profile but effective way off killing him without anyone suspecting a thing...

If you knew he was into the sort of shit it's not a bad idea, he was a known cross dresser and regularly visited bondage sites on the Internet.

[Zingari]

If you knew he was into the sort of shit it's not a bad idea, he was a known cross dresser and regularly visited bondage sites on the Internet.

Yes that's very true , it looks very much like a murder made to fit an existing pattern in his life .

[Finnegan]

Seriously, are all spies gay?

[AyewJoking]

Thought it was the former Leicester legend. Disappointed.

[Zingari]

Seriously, are all spies gay?

Thinking of applying ?

[Babylon]

Seriously, are all spies gay?

Yes, they can't get married or have kids so.... of hang on.

[Babylon]

Are you suggesting the best way to murder someone who loves swimming in the sea , is to arrange for them to "bump their head on a rock" and drown ?

Swimming in the sea isn't impossible, you are suggesting what he did by locking himself in a bag is. So there is no comparison.

[Zingari]

Swimming in the sea isn't impossible, you are suggesting what he did by locking himself in a bag is. So there is no comparison.

I think you've misunderstood what I meant

I think it looks as if it is a crime "made to fit" an existing lifestyle.

Yes , I think this case looks very suspicious don't you ?

[Babylon]

Yes that's very true , it looks very much like a murder made to fit an existing pattern in his life .

Or he just locked himself in a bag.

If you kill someone you don't do it in a way that looks impossible to do, otherwise it looks dodgy.

[Zingari]

Or he just locked himself in a bag.

If you kill someone you don't do it in a way that looks impossible to do, otherwise it looks dodgy.

maybe they aren't as bright as you think

[Babylon]

I think you've misunderstood what I meant

I think it looks as if it is a crime "made to fit" an existing lifestyle.

Yes , I think this case looks very suspicious don't you ?

I've not misunderstood, your example was just wrong. You are suggesting locking yourself in a bag is impossible, so it doesn't fit the the example you gave.

If you are going to bump them off you do it in such a way that doesn't look suspicious (as per your swimming example).

maybe they aren't as bright as you think

And maybe locking yourself in a bag isn't as hard as you think... have you tried it?

[Zingari]

I've not misunderstood, your example was just wrong. You are suggesting locking yourself in a bag is impossible, so it doesn't fit the the example you gave.

If you are going to bump them off you do it in such a way that doesn't look suspicious (as per your swimming example).

Sorry but i think it is , or at least virtually impossible , but perhaps you have friends that can do this

And even if it isn't , why would he have done it ?

What difference would it have made to just being in the bag with the zipper done up ?Why the need for the padlock ?

I’m coming to the conclusion that you wouldn't be suspicious if you found your missus in bed with the next door neighbour.

You’d believe that both central heating boilers had broken down simultaneously and were both there to keep warm .

Just joking , I realise central heating boilers can break down simultaneously

[Rincewind]

Thought it was about a Welsh rugby player..

Why not just shoot him and blame it on the other side. Works OK for the USA.

[Zingari]

I've not misunderstood, your example was just wrong. You are suggesting locking yourself in a bag is impossible, so it doesn't fit the the example you gave.

If you are going to bump them off you do it in such a way that doesn't look suspicious (as per your swimming example).

And maybe locking yourself in a bag isn't as hard as you think... have you tried it?

no , maybe you should try it and post a youtube vid

[Babylon]

Sorry but i think it is , or at least virtually impossible , but perhaps you have friends that can do this

And even if it isn't , why would he have done it ?

I don't know whether it is or it isn't, I haven't tried. Have you?

Why would he have done it? Why did he handcuff himself to a bed to see if he could escape?

What difference would it have made to just being in the bag with the zipper done up ?Why the need for the padlock ?

Why the need for handcuffs when he could have used something less risky?

I’m coming to the conclusion that you wouldn't be suspicious if you found your missus in bed with the next door neighbour.

How can you be suspicious about something you know little facts about? This is about whether I think it's suspicious or not, I don't really care.

It's about you instantly jumping to conclusions with little facts at hand.

[Darkon84]

If you knew he was into the sort of shit it's not a bad idea, he was a known cross dresser and regularly visited bondage sites on the Internet.

Yes, he had thousands of pounds worth of female clothing in the wardrobe, but I'm sure it was reported that none of it was worn, and there were testament from friends etc last week saying he wasn't a cross dresser. Though to quote someone I spoke to about it ''he does look a bit gay'' .

Didn't they also state that there was unknown DNA found (some on the bag itself I believe, though I can't remember if that is actually true, or if, for some reason, it's just in my head) dried blood, along with footprints (although not of a sufficient quality to get anything from them).

A very interesting case, nonetheless

[Zingari]

Babs , do you have trouble understanding English ?

Where did I say I'd come to any conclusions?

All I've said is it looks very suspicious OK?

Stop jumping to conclusions that I've jumped to any conclusions