The Mysterious Death of Gareth Williams.

[Tielemans63]

This was in the independent on sunday:

You'd have thought MI6 would have caught their kinky-pervert-serial killer employee by now.

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

Sounds like he had a lot of baggage weighing him down

[21st Century Fox]

Sounds like he had a lot of baggage weighing him down

That may well have been the case.

[Rincewind]

Looks like an open and shut one to me

[Joe Tebbutt]

Murdered. In my opinion. Body was too decomposed to pick up any signs of cyanide etc...going up against MI6 whoever did it wasn't your average spotty 16 year old Tesco's employee clearly. The fact some 'expert' actually attempted to lock himself in the bag 300 times, and failed, is absolutely ridiculous! All that will be proven is that they won't be able to prove conclusively how he died. Boring. Move on.

P.S i own one of those bags and they are brilliant, pretty indestructible, never tried to get in it though...

[Captain...]

Murdered. In my opinion. Body was too decomposed to pick up any signs of cyanide etc...going up against MI6 whoever did it wasn't your average spotty 16 year old Tesco's employee clearly. The fact some 'expert' actually attempted to lock himself in the bag 300 times, and failed, is absolutely ridiculous! All that will be proven is that they won't be able to prove conclusively how he died. Boring. Move on.

P.S i own one of those bags and they are brilliant, pretty indestructible, never tried to get in it though...

First post eh, Signed up just to post that, encouraging us to move on, eh, I think we have a spy trying to infiltrate us and throw us off the scent, we are close to cracking this case boys.

A quick google of Joe Tebbutt and spy, has 119,000 results, that is pretty conclusive, who are you Joe and why are you so interested in this case?

[Zingari]

First post eh, Signed up just to post that, encouraging us to move on, eh, I think we have a spy trying to infiltrate us and throw us off the scent, we are close to cracking this case boys.

A quick google of Joe Tebbutt and spy, has 119,000 results, that is pretty conclusive, who are you Joe and why are you so interested in this case?

He doesn't fool us for a minute Cap'n

He's being painted as some sort of cross dresser but Dr Wilcox said "£20,000 collection of haute couture clothes were too small for Mr Williams to have worn"

That's a bit odd for someone who supposedly likes cross dressing . I'd have thought getting the correct size would be uppermost in his mind .

And I really can't understand how he could have been missing from work for that length of time.

Why, given the hugely sensitive nature of Mr Williams’ job, did the intelligence service wait eight days to inform the police he was missing from work?

It looks like deliberate "incompetence" to me .

[skinnydipper]

He doesn't fool us for a minute Cap'n

He's being painted as some sort of cross dresser but Dr Wilcox said "£20,000 collection of haute couture clothes were too small for Mr Williams to have worn"

That's a bit odd for someone who supposedly likes cross dressing . I'd have thought getting the correct size would be uppermost in his mind .

And I really can't understand how he could have been missing from work for that length of time.

Why, given the hugely sensitive nature of Mr Williams’ job, did the intelligence service wait eight days to inform the police he was missing from work?

It looks like deliberate "incompetence" to me .

I'd be pretty cross too if I'd spent 20k on clothes that didn't fit

[Joe Tebbutt]

good point but to be fair its the first thread i've actually read and took any interest in. Every other thread is the usual Leicester bullshit whereby everyone moans their tits off, nothings good enough, blah blah, at least this topic is something a little out of the ordinary!

[Babylon]

That's a bit odd for someone who supposedly likes cross dressing . I'd have thought getting the correct size would be uppermost in

I dunno, he definitely bought the wrong size sports bag.

[Babylon]

at least this topic is something a little out of the ordinary!

You'll like most of Zingari's posts.

I'd be pretty cross too if I'd spent 20k on clothes that didn't fit

So at what point did they think 20k's worth of clothes were enough to convince people of cross dressing. Surely a couple of £100's worth from Primark would have done the trick.

[Zingari]

You'll like most of Zingari's posts.

So at what point did they think 20k's worth of clothes were enough to convince people of cross dressing. Surely a couple of £100's worth from Primark would have done the trick.

cheeky fecker

his sister thought they were bought as gifts , but i find that odd too .

you don't still think he got in there and locked himself in do you ?

[Babylon]

you don't still think he got in there and locked himself in do you ?

I don't think I ever said he did do.

[Zingari]

Or he just locked himself in a bag.

If you kill someone you don't do it in a way that looks impossible to do, otherwise it looks dodgy.

really ? is that what you think ?

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

I haven't heard anything on this for a couple of days, not a zip!

Has this case been closed?

[Rincewind]

Get Johnathan Creek on the case.

[Babylon]

really ? is that what you think ?

I said OR... I didn't say that's what he did.

Get Johnathan Creek in the case.

Amended that for you.

[Zingari]

I said OR... I didn't say that's what he did.

Amended that for you.

You really are a slippery eel . i'll give you that

Will you at least accept now that the story of him getting into the bag on his own, and locking himself in with a padlock, is a complete crock of shite.You won't be asking me to try it for myself again will you ?

I’ve just had a quick read through and you seem to have been willing throughout to accept this as a reasonable explanation and if not , will you show me where you were even slightly doubtful of the absurdity of it .

Anyway , stay in the feckin main forum , there's enough for you to do in there without bothering us

[Babylon]

I’ve just had a quick read through and you seem to have been willing throughout to accept this as a reasonable explanation and if not , will you show me where you were even slightly doubtful of the absurdity of it .

I accept anything is a possibility. I said there was more probability of it being a regular murder rather than a government one (ie our government).

[Zingari]

I accept anything is a possibility. I said there was more probability of it being a regular murder rather than a government one (ie our government).

So do I ( accept anything as a possibility ) , but I think if you are going to claim something happened in a certain way , then you should be able to prove it physically.

Otherwise it is just a theory ( and you don't like unproven theories passed of as fact do you ?)

But apart from that :

I think the most likely or more probable explanation , is that the secret services are involved ,

that's just my opinion Ok ?

You have your opinion and I have mine, each is just as valid until proven otherwise

[Rincewind]

It is suspicious enough to make people think it was a hit. But would the secret services work that way? Wouldn't it be in strangle with a piece of wire or a tie then be gone. Then the clean up team would move in to make sure no evidence or anything suspicious was left.

Or is that just in films and the secret service are bunch of bungling baffoons

[Joe Tebbutt]

Everything about the bondage/ clothes could of been planted, difficult to do? i doubt it, his family clearly didn't know and his sis panicked and said they were hers to make him seem normal without really thinking about it, whoever bought the clothes and planted them (if they were planted) fvcked up because apparently they were too small for him! They didn't bank on experts trying and failing to get in the bag though, those bags are huge, i keep looking at mine and I'm tempted to have a go...i need to get a grip, Just a thought though...

[Webbo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139799/Sex-spies-seven-suspicious-deaths-The-murky-waters-intelligence-world--coincidence-conspiracy.html

[Zingari]

The old saying of “whom the gods seek to destroy, they first make mad “should now read “whom the gods seek to destroy, they first make sexual deviants”

In my ‘umble , I think that for some reason he had become a threat to the secret services or someone very powerful within the service .

He was murdered by person or persons unknown (probably hired goons with no secret services connections, possibly even foreign).

They were under instruction to make it look like some sort of sex game gone wrong, and this part was a bungled affair.

Bad news !

But under the cover of “national security” it can still be swept under the carpet, even if it causes a little discomfort for the secret services. Some of whom will be called a bit incompetent etc.

And in a few months everyone will have forgotten all about it, but for a few, who will very easily be labelled “loony conspiracy nuts”

And the sweet simple life goes on.

[Captain...]

The old saying of “whom the gods seek to destroy, they first make mad “should now read “whom the gods seek to destroy, they first make sexual deviants”

In my ‘umble , I think that for some reason he had become a threat to the secret services or someone very powerful within the service .

He was murdered by person or persons unknown (probably hired goons with no secret services connections, possibly even foreign).

They were under instruction to make it look like some sort of sex game gone wrong, and this part was a bungled affair.

Bad news !

But under the cover of “national security” it can still be swept under the carpet, even if it causes a little discomfort for the secret services. Some of whom will be called a bit incompetent etc.

And in a few months everyone will have forgotten all about it, but for a few, who will very easily be labelled “loony conspiracy nuts”

And the sweet simple life goes on.

Loony conspiracy nut