The Mysterious Death of Gareth Williams.

[Babylon]

maybe they aren't as bright as you think

I've seen you say this a few times in your conspiracy theories on different subjects. One minute you claim they are bright enough to pull off something as ridiculously complex as 9/11 and then stupid enough to forget some rather obvious detail.

[Zingari]

I've seen you say this a few times in your conspiracy theories on different subjects. One minute you claim they are bright enough to pull off something as ridiculously complex as 9/11 and then stupid enough to forget some rather obvious detail.

The people pulling the strings are very clever , that's not to say the monkeys on the ground doing the dirty work are

[Babylon]

Babs , do you have trouble understanding English ?

Where did I say I'd come to any conclusions?

All I've said is it looks very suspicious OK?

Stop jumping to conclusions that I've jumped to any conclusions

You said you think it's impossible, yet haven't tried it yourself.

Some of the people trying it in the case said whilst they didn't manage it, they couldn't say for sure it was impossible.

[Rincewind]

I bet Houdini would have known how to do it.

[Webbo]

He was a crap player for us.

[Rincewind]

Houdini?

[Webbo]

Houdini?

Not him, he could always escape his marker.

[Zingari]

You said you think it's impossible, yet haven't tried it yourself.

Some of the people trying it in the case said whilst they didn't manage it, they couldn't say for sure it was impossible.

OK , tell me something that you can say for sure is impossible ? You can pretty much argue anything is possible provided you don't have to actually prove it

It really is "highly improbable" to say the least then , can we agree on that ?

[Guest MattP]

Yes, he had thousands of pounds worth of female clothing in the wardrobe, but I'm sure it was reported that none of it was worn, and there were testament from friends etc last week saying he wasn't a cross dresser. Though to quote someone I spoke to about it ''he does look a bit gay'' .

How many Hetrosexual single men do you know with £20,000 worth of women's clothes in their wardrobe who visit Transexual and Bondage websites? Of course his friends would say that, would he have even told them?, how close are your friends when you work for M16?

I don't mind people being overtly Liberal about things like this please don't let it infringe on Common Sense.

[Saxondale]

How many Hetrosexual single men do you know with £20,000 worth of women's clothes in their wardrobe who visit Transexual and Bondage websites?

[Darkon84]

How many Hetrosexual single men do you know with £20,000 worth of women's clothes in their wardrobe who visit Transexual and Bondage websites? Of course his friends would say that, would he have even told them?, how close are your friends when you work for M16?

I don't mind people being overtly Liberal about things like this please don't let it infringe on Common Sense.

Haha I saw this response coming. I know what you mean, I was going to add in a 'however' bit to say...if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, then it must be a.... but I didn't want to get shot down by Babylon for having no evidence to 100% say that he was

I did't know about the website bit though, to be honest.

[Greg2607]

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Gareth_Williams

for you conspiracy theorists out there.....

[Webbo]

It does seem suspicious but if you wanted to bump somebody off why would you make it so conspicuous? Wouldn't it be easier to push someone under a bus?

[Darkon84]

https://wikispooks.c...Gareth_Williams

for you conspiracy theorists out there.....

[Zingari]

It does seem suspicious but if you wanted to bump somebody off why would you make it so conspicuous? Wouldn't it be easier to push someone under a bus?

that wouldn't look suspicious ,would it ?

[Zingari]

https://wikispooks.c...Gareth_Williams

for you conspiracy theorists out there.....

The problem with those sorts of sites ( interesting though they are) is that they try to prove too much of what they think did happen , rather than concentrating on trying to corner those who are trying to convince us of stuff that most likely didn’t happen.

[Babylon]

It really is "highly improbable" to say the least then , can we agree on that ?

Well without trying it I can't come to that conclusion

But whilst we're talking about probabilities, I would say it's more probable that it was either an accident or your average run of the mill murder (if there is such a thing). Than some kind of governmental assassination.

[Finnegan]

Well without trying it I can't come to that conclusion

But whilst we're talking about probabilities, I would say it's more probable that it was either an accident or your average run of the mill murder (if there is such a thing). Than some kind of governmental assassination.

Don't think I agree really. I'm usually the first to dismiss conspiracy nonsense on here but anyone who doesn't look at this case and raise a few eyebrows needs to start at least questioning what the media sell them day to day.

[James.]

Given the absence of any official explanation there aren't really any conspiracy theories, just potential explanations. I think a man being found dead in a bag is for once more than appropriate material to arise suspicion.

[Zingari]

Don't think I agree really. I'm usually the first to dismiss conspiracy nonsense on here but anyone who doesn't look at this case and raise a few eyebrows needs to start at least questioning what the media sell them day to day.

Blimey finners , how many eyebrows have you got ?

[Zingari]

Well without trying it I can't come to that conclusion

But whilst we're talking about probabilities, I would say it's more probable that it was either an accident or your average run of the mill murder (if there is such a thing). Than some kind of governmental assassination.

surely if it is an ordinary run of the mill murder case ,why would the coroner say it is , quote

"unlikely the death of MI6 officer Gareth Williams will ever be satisfactorily explained"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17922388

what reason does she have for thinking that ?

[Babylon]

surely if it is an ordinary run of the mill murder case ,why would the coroner say it is , quote

"unlikely the death of MI6 officer Gareth Williams will ever be satisfactorily explained"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17922388

what reason does she have for thinking that ?

Because they don't know, they don't have any evidence one way or another.

[Guest MattP]

Sky now.

On the balance of probability he was alive when he entered the bag and a third party moved the bag.

Sex Game theory for me still - gay guy back with him (with the intention of murder), you struggle in there, bang the bag when your wanking, I'll unpadlock it, then let me out. Never did.

[Darkon84]

Anyone got a link to what the escapologist said about it? Well I think he was trained and has served years in the army but is world class at escaping (or something along those lines). The jury were shown a video of him attempting to get in the bag and lock the padlock. Think he concluded that you'd have to be damn near world class to do it, considering the padlock key was found in there too.

[Zingari]

Sky now.

On the balance of probability he was alive when he entered the bag and a third party moved the bag.

Sex Game theory for me still - gay guy back with him (with the intention of murder), you struggle in there, bang the bag when your wanking, I'll unpadlock it, then let me out. Never did.

You could be right but it doesn't really explain why they seem to have all but given up on catching the culprit.

That's just my impression anyway