Premier League 2012/13

[Finnegan]

Suarez is simply a blatant cheat. Whether or not you accept that and write it off as gamesmanship or despise him for it is open to interpretation but he's Drogba plus.

The handball against Ghana and, more importantly, the way he conducted himself afterwards were unforgivable.

Bale reminds me a bit more of Ronaldo (minus the tantrums and the rolling around crying) in his alleged simulation. I think people need to try hitting the sprint speeds the two of them hit and getting your ankles swiped. I was rapid in my teens, not 100m in 11 seconds (Bale at 14) rapid but quick enough to draw endless cynical digs in both football and rugby.

Now that hurt and that got tiresome but I imagine it wasn't a patch on the intensity of suffering that in immensely physical professional sport. A lot of the time I think faster players accused of simulation are almost trying to just pre-empt and avoid being winged. Moreover, if someone has to take evasive action to avoid being clattered at full tilt I wouldn't call it diving.

Don't get me wrong, clearly they both do cheat on occasion but I don't think they're the worst at it. The like of Suarez, Drog and Young, however? No excuse.

[Darkon84]

Oh I'm not disagreeing, it's just that Suarez doesn't dive more than Bale imo. They both do it, sometimes to great effect.

True, though it does look like both have (at least for now) reined it in a little, Bale in particular

[Uncle Albert]

Suarez is simply a blatant cheat.

And simply so is Bale when he dives, simple as that really, don't try and defend someone who's been booked for diving than anyone. They're both as bad as each other, Suarez has a reputation because of the Ghana and Evra stuff.

If England were in that scenario at a World Cup and Ashley Young had handballed it on the line to prevent Ghana from scoring and England progressed would the majority of us hate him or love him? Suarez is loved in Uruguay because of it, they didn't slate him afterwards, like most of us wouldn't if an Englishman did the same.

I'll never defend Suarez for his diving, it's wrong and when he's been booked its thoroughly deserved, if you dive you're a cheat. No ifs or buts.

Bale dives in the final Premier League match of the Season (gets Spurs CL Football) in the last minute and gets a player sent off, Spurs score the penalty and Spurs go on to win the game 1-0, is Bale branded a Cheat by us all to the same level Suarez was for his antics v Ghana or is he an intelligent man and got Spurs CL Football?

[Finnegan]

Suarez has a reputation as a cheat because he is a cheat.

If Bellers did that in a vital qualifier to take us to a major tournament I'd be gutted and ashamed.

Especially if he was proud of it afterwards.

[Uncle Albert]

Suarez has a reputation as a cheat because he is a cheat.

If Bellers did that in a vital qualifier to take us to a major tournament I'd be gutted and ashamed.

Especially if he was proud of it afterwards.

And Bale is getting a reputation for diving and being a cheat because he constantly dives and has more bookings than anyone else.

Nugent does it last day of the season v Forest and his dive means Leicester get automatic promotion, you ashamed then? No, you're celebrating like mad and deep down you love him that little bit more.

[Darkon84]

And simply so is Bale when he dives, simple as that really, don't try and defend someone who's been booked for diving than anyone. They're both as bad as each other, Suarez has a reputation because of the Ghana and Evra stuff.

If England were in that scenario at a World Cup and Ashley Young had handballed it on the line to prevent Ghana from scoring and England progressed would the majority of us hate him or love him? Suarez is loved in Uruguay because of it, they didn't slate him afterwards, like most of us wouldn't if an Englishman did the same.

I'll never defend Suarez for his diving, it's wrong and when he's been booked its thoroughly deserved, if you dive you're a cheat. No ifs or buts.

Bale dives in the final Premier League match of the Season (gets Spurs CL Football) in the last minute and gets a player sent off, Spurs score the penalty and Spurs go on to win the game 1-0, is Bale branded a Cheat by us all to the same level Suarez was for his antics v Ghana or is he an intelligent man and got Spurs CL Football?

To say Bale is as big a cheat as Suarez just shows you to be a blinkered fool.

Suarez has earnt his reputation more than anyone in football, just take is stamp on Hubocan in the Zenit game, there was absolutely no need whatsoever. He was having a blinding game, scored what I described to someone as a 'perfect free kick', then he goes and does that. Diving is getting ridiculous in football and needs to be punished more often if it going to be eradicated, there is no denying that.

Suarez's reputation as a cheat and a diver goes back beyond just playing in England. He was at it all the time at Ajax as well, theres plenty of it documented and recorded, not to mention his ban for BITING an opposition player...Real classy Luis, real classy.

[Uncle Albert]

To say Bale is as big a cheat as Suarez just shows you to be a blinkered fool.

Suarez has earnt his reputation more than anyone in football, just take is stamp on Hubocan in the Zenit game, there was absolutely no need whatsoever. He was having a blinding game, scored what I described to someone as a 'perfect free kick', then he goes and does that. Diving is getting ridiculous in football and needs to be punished more often if it going to be eradicated, there is no denying that.

Suarez's reputation as a cheat and a diver goes back beyond just playing in England. He was at it all the time at Ajax as well, theres plenty of it documented and recorded, not to mention his ban for BITING an opposition player...Real classy Luis, real classy.

I've not said Bale is a bigger cheat than Suarez but why are you comparing levels of cheating? That's my point.

Bale is a cheat, no need to try and defend him the evidence is there, like I said I never defend Suarez when it comes to his antics, what's the point? Deep down he knows he is wrong.

All I'm trying to say is cheating is cheating, no matter what the offence, diving, stamping, deliberate fouls, handballs, shagging the Managers Mrs or whatever its all cheating, don't try and say Suarez done this that and the other, Bale is a cheater as well, he is the most booked player for diving in PL History. Fact.

Like the old saying goes "Once a cheat always a cheat". Suarez will always be remembered for being a cheat and for me so will Gareth Bale, as much as they both entertain me as Footballers and are both the best two players in the League right now they are both cheats and unfortunately that is what they will be remembered for.

[Darkon84]

I've not said Bale is a bigger cheat than Suarez but why are you comparing levels of cheating? That's my point.

Bale is a cheat, no need to try and defend him the evidence is there, like I said I never defend Suarez when it comes to his antics, what's the point? Deep down he knows he is wrong.

All I'm trying to say is cheating is cheating, no matter what the offence, diving, stamping, deliberate fouls, handballs, shagging the Managers Mrs or whatever its all cheating, don't try and say Suarez done this that and the other, Bale is a cheater as well, he is the most booked player for diving in PL History. Fact.

Like the old saying goes "Once a cheat always a cheat". Suarez will always be remembered for being a cheat and for me so will Gareth Bale, as much as they both entertain me as Footballers and are both the best two players in the League right now they are both cheats and unfortunately that is what they will be remembered for.

By repeating the stat about Bale's yellow cards for simulation, you kinda look like you are trying to say he is a bigger cheat, which is why you appear to be drawing comparisons. I may have simply read it wrong though, if that's the case, I apologise. Though there are of course, different levels of cheating. You can't in all seriousness suggest that diving is equal to violent conduct, for example.

[AyewJoking]

I've not said Bale is a bigger cheat than Suarez but why are you comparing levels of cheating? That's my point.

Bale is a cheat, no need to try and defend him the evidence is there, like I said I never defend Suarez when it comes to his antics, what's the point? Deep down he knows he is wrong.

All I'm trying to say is cheating is cheating, no matter what the offence, diving, stamping, deliberate fouls, handballs, shagging the Managers Mrs or whatever its all cheating, don't try and say Suarez done this that and the other, Bale is a cheater as well, he is the most booked player for diving in PL History. Fact.

Like the old saying goes "Once a cheat always a cheat". Suarez will always be remembered for being a cheat and for me so will Gareth Bale, as much as they both entertain me as Footballers and are both the best two players in the League right now they are both cheats and unfortunately that is what they will be remembered for.

I think the deepest he gets is deciding whether to land on his chest or his arse.

[Uncle Albert]

By repeating the stat about Bale's yellow cards for simulation, you kinda look like you are trying to say he is a bigger cheat, which is why you appear to be drawing comparisons. I may have simply read it wrong though, if that's the case, I apologise. Though there are of course, different levels of cheating. You can't in all seriousness suggest that diving is equal to violent conduct, for example.

No what I'm trying to say is Bale is known for diving and using that fact is the best way of letting people know. Diving is a form of cheating and that is what people are quick to point out about Suarez. They're both as bad, to me there is no level of cheating, its all one. Therefor to me Suarez and Bale are both as bad as each other.

Well is violent conduct cheating? There's the difference, I wouldn't personally say violent conduct is cheating, just stupidity, you can't really benefit from violent conduct, the only thing that tends to happen from it is punishment for yourself. Where as diving can lead to punishment in the case of Gareth Bale but can also benefit you if you aren't caught.. That's cheating.

[Darkon84]

No what I'm trying to say is Bale is known for diving and using that fact is the best way of letting people know. Diving is a form of cheating and that is what people are quick to point out about Suarez. They're both as bad, to me there is no level of cheating, its all one. Therefor to me Suarez and Bale are both as bad as each other.

Well is violent conduct cheating? There's the difference, I wouldn't personally say violent conduct is cheating, just stupidity, you can't really benefit from violent conduct, the only thing that tends to happen from it is punishment for yourself. Where as diving can lead to punishment in the case of Gareth Bale but can also benefit you if you aren't caught.. That's cheating.

Is violent conduct cheating? You said yourself that it was.....''Cheating is cheating, whether it be diving, stamping...''

As you are quick to point out about Bale being punished AGAIN...Heres a little statistic...Liverpool have been punished for simulation, more than any other Premier League team, since the stat of 2011/12 (up until 29/9/2012). Since then I think Bale has been carded three more times for simulation, and Suarez once, therefore leaving the table as:

Liverpool - 7

Tottenham - 5

Chelsea - 4 (providing no more players have been booked for it since the date stated)

[Uncle Albert]

Is violent conduct cheating? You said yourself that it was.....''Cheating is cheating, whether it be diving, stamping...''

As you are quick to point out about Bale being punished AGAIN...Heres a little statistic...Liverpool have been punished for simulation, more than any other Premier League team, since the stat of 2011/12 (up until 29/9/2012). Since then I think Bale has been carded three more times for simulation, and Suarez once, therefore leaving the table as:

Liverpool - 7

Tottenham - 5

Chelsea - 4 (providing no more players have been booked for it since the date stated)

Yeah I listed them things because that is what you were listing as points against Suarez mate, but if we class violent conduct as cheating then fair enough, its all on the same level.

Yes I'm fully aware of them stats BUT I don't think you get what I'm saying, I'm NOT justifying Liverpool or Suarez here, far from it in fact, I hate it when a Liverpool player dives, especially if it doesn't benefit the team. I wouldn't not cheer if we scored a goal because of a player diving that would be stupid but if they're carded for diving then I'm very annoyed.

All I've tried to say is that Bale is just as bad as Suarez, you don't need to turn this into a Liverpool v Spurs debate or trying to turn it into me trying to defend Liverpool, I'm not. I would feel the exact same if this was Van Persie v Bale or whoever, I just think Bale gets a very easy ride because he is British - which is wrong.

Please understand what I am saying here and don't comeback replying with the mentality that I'm trying to defend Suarez and just have a pop at Bale.

[Darkon84]

Yeah I listed them things because that is what you were listing as points against Suarez mate, but if we class violent conduct as cheating then fair enough, its all on the same level.

Yes I'm fully aware of them stats BUT I don't think you get what I'm saying, I'm NOT justifying Liverpool or Suarez here, far from it in fact, I hate it when a Liverpool player dives, especially if it doesn't benefit the team. I wouldn't not cheer if we scored a goal because of a player diving that would be stupid but if they're carded for diving then I'm very annoyed.

All I've tried to say is that Bale is just as bad as Suarez, you don't need to turn this into a Liverpool v Spurs debate or trying to turn it into me trying to defend Liverpool, I'm not. I would feel the exact same if this was Van Persie v Bale or whoever, I just think Bale gets a very easy ride because he is British - which is wrong.

Please understand what I am saying here and don't comeback replying with the mentality that I'm trying to defend Suarez and just have a pop at Bale.

Your repitition of the stat about Bale being booked more than anyone else certainly makes it appear as though you are having a pop at him.

You have tried to say Bale is as bad as Suarez, but it just doesn't stack up, taking in to account previous offences etc.

Either way they are both divers, and whereas you may think they will always be remembered for that, I think that they both have the clear ability to win people over again and (hopefully) be remembered for what they really are, fantastic footballers.

[Haydos]

And Bale is getting a reputation for diving and being a cheat because he constantly dives and has more bookings than anyone else.

Nugent does it last day of the season v Forest and his dive means Leicester get automatic promotion, you ashamed then? No, you're celebrating like mad and deep down you love him that little bit more.

Obviously, I'd be over the moon with the result but I have no doubt i'd be embarrassed and ashamed.

[Uncle Albert]

Your repitition of the stat about Bale being booked more than anyone else certainly makes it appear as though you are having a pop at him.

You have tried to say Bale is as bad as Suarez, but it just doesn't stack up, taking in to account previous offences etc.

Either way they are both divers, and whereas you may think they will always be remembered for that, I think that they both have the clear ability to win people over again and (hopefully) be remembered for what they really are, fantastic footballers.

Bale is as a bad, I do stand by that, cheating is cheating, no matter how many times you do it or what the offence is, it's cheating.

[Kitchandro]

And Bale is getting a reputation for diving and being a cheat because he constantly dives and has more bookings than anyone else.

Nugent does it last day of the season v Forest and his dive means Leicester get automatic promotion, you ashamed then? No, you're celebrating like mad and deep down you love him that little bit more.

I'd be pleased we went up I suppose, but I certainly wouldn't love him more. It would be the worst possible way to go up.

I hate cheating, no matter who does it.

[Guest MattP]

Obviously, I'd be over the moon with the result but I have no doubt i'd be embarrassed and ashamed.

I'd be pleased we went up I suppose, but I certainly wouldn't love him more. It would be the worst possible way to go up.

I hate cheating, no matter who does it.

Pleasing to read, shows not all football fans are the same.

I'd be the same. I'd celebrate the promotion but I'd want Nugent fined and disciplined if he cheated.

[Uncle Albert]

Nugent fined and disciplined if he cheated.

Bit extreme and it wouldn't happen either, do you think your Thai owners would allow him to be fined/disciplined for taking their Club to the Premier League?

Not going to happen.

[Guest MattP]

Bit extreme and it wouldn't happen either, do you think your Thai owners would allow him to be fined/disciplined for taking their Club to the Premier League?

Not going to happen.

Wouldn't be up to the owners would it?

I couldn't care less what situation it was, if one of my players was blatently cheated they would be punished. We need more of that to clean up this sport.

It does happen you know, Wenger fined Eboue for a dive in a Champions League final.

http://www.arsenal.v...cle.asp?a=19300

Not that I'm going to ever expect a Liverpool fan to take responsibility for anything mind. 'Always the victim's, it's never your fault'.

[Uncle Albert]

Wouldn't be up to the owners would it?

I couldn't care less what situation it was, if one of my players was blatently cheated they would be punished. We need more of that to clean up this sport.

It does happen you know, Wenger fined Eboue for a dive in a Champions League final.

http://www.arsenal.v...cle.asp?a=19300

Not that I'm going to ever expect a Liverpool fan to take responsibility for anything mind. 'Always the victim's, it's never your fault'.

Course the owners would be able to not let him be fined, they would probably give him a bonus. Yeah but would Wenger have fined him if that dive from Eboue won them the game and lead to a penalty? No, not a chance. Again you have taken what I said out of context, there is probably hundreds of scenarios where a manager has fined a player for diving but I said if Nugent had dived and lead to City being promoted.. He certainly would not be fined or disciplined.

I really don't see why you have had to say that? Where have I played the victim? Very low.

[Guest MattP]

I didn't say he would be, I said I would fine him.

[Uncle Albert]

I didn't say he would be, I said I would fine him.

Well you're a cunt so I would expect nothing less.

[Guest MattP]

Well you're a cunt so I would expect nothing less.

Classy as always, typical scouser.

[Uncle Albert]

Classy as always, typical scouser.

You lost all class and my respect when you said 'Always the victim..' when it had no relevance at all to what we were talking about.

[AdamN]

Well you're a cunt so I would expect nothing less.

Why would that make him a cunt exactly? I can't imagine anyone who idolises Luis Suarez to be a champion of integrity, but surely it'd be a positive step towards eradicating cheating from the game?