acooling08 Posted 15 July 2012 Author Posted 15 July 2012 In my mind, if you immigrate to a country and then commit a serious crime, you should be expected to face prison followed by deportation and a lifetime ban from the country. Sorry to bring up this tired (but valid) argument again, but how would you feel now if this man went on to rape another girl, or worse? Is it worth allowing him to stay here and risk a childs life? I don't think so.
Captain... Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 You can put all the buts in you like there is no way raping a 12 year old warrants a 3 year prison sentence in my opinion my mind cannot comprehend such leniency. It does seem lenient, without knowing the details it is hard to find rationale, but child rape can range across any number of sexual activities, obviously some much worse than others, just touching a child inappropriately can still be classed as rape. The maximum sentence is 14 years so there must have been reasoning behind the sentence, but I will not idly speculate on the subject any further, it is not a pleasant one, I'm also going to stop googling child rape laws, before google's smart advertising picks up on it and starts sending me adverts I don't want. What I will say is that judges are employed to uphold the laws of this land and sentence within guidelines, they study a lot and train a lot to be able to make these decisions, and they have the full facts to hand. We are going to have to trust that they are making the correct decisions, because we don't have all of that.
Captain... Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 In my mind, if you immigrate to a country and then commit a serious crime, you should be expected to face prison followed by deportation and a lifetime ban from the country. Sorry to bring up this tired (but valid) argument again, but how would you feel now if this man went on to rape another girl, or worse? Is it worth allowing him to stay here and risk a childs life? I don't think so. So you would rather a convicted child rapist was sent back to a country with much looser laws on rape and child abuse, where he will not be monitored, as he will here, and will probably be able to freely rape again (well it may cost him a few quid). But that would be one of theirs, so that is ok? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1538556/UN-to-hold-inquiry-into-Sudan-child-abuse.html http://www.sudantribune.com/South-Sudan-minister-decries-child,39263
Rincewind Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Just watching a program on Pick TV. UK Border Control. There was a Nigerian who was here illegally but had no visa or passport. He said if he went back he feared for his life. But it was a family dispute which does not count. Another who was a student was here too long. They reported as asked to the immigration office then were not seen again. Now there is an Australian woman who does not have the correct work permit. She is carrying 20 opies of her CV covering letters certificates and chefs knives and says she has not come to the UK looking for work. Sending her back to Sydney. She says she always carries all that stuff with her. Also she never had much money with her. She is all upset now saying shes done nothing wrong.
MooseBreath Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 So you would rather a convicted child rapist was sent back to a country with much looser laws on rape and child abuse, where he will not be monitored, as he will here, and will probably be able to freely rape again (well it may cost him a few quid). But that would be one of theirs, so that is ok? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1538556/UN-to-hold-inquiry-into-Sudan-child-abuse.html http://www.sudantribune.com/South-Sudan-minister-decries-child,39263 You're right, we should start importing criminals from all over the world because it will be more difficult for them to commit crimes here.
Captain... Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 You're right, we should start importing criminals from all over the world because it will be more difficult for them to commit crimes here. That is not really what I'm saying though is it, you just chose to misrepresent it because you are bored and trolling. I will re-word it though, acooling was worried he would rape another person here, my point was that sending him back to country with a child abuse/prostitution/rape problem is almost guaranteeing it, then I rather cruelly suggested that acooling would be ok with that, because of his reputation of being a racist, whereas in actual fact he probably didn't even consider that. Of course there is always the hope he will get captured tortured and killed by the brutal regime he is running from before he gets to rape again, so that would probably make it all ok.
Daggers Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Cooling, Daily Mail, terrorist, paedophile, rape, immigrant, Human Rights Act all in one thread? If only we could shoehorn Diana and cancer into it I could shout 'bingo'! Oh, I just have... BIN-fvcking-GO!!!!
Guest Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Funny how the Daily Mail has managed to find these unreported cases for hearings that, if you read the dates, may actually not be recent. Yes, I have scoured the usual places to find the hearing transcripts before commenting. Btw, rape carries a maximum sentence of life. The starting point for a single offence on an under 13yr old is 10 years, with a range of 8 years. I would like to see the sentencing remarks before deciding whether a sentence of 3yrs is insufficient. I do suspect, because the report has two contradictory statements, that this guy was sentenced to a longer term and a) has been released after serving half, or the 3yrs quoted, meaning a sentence of 6yrs, or he's been released earlier on a Home Detention Curfew, possibly following a sentence of 8yrs. It would be unusual to be sentenced to 3yrs, and then serve the full term. This is why I would rather see something more substantial before slagging off the Criminal Justice System. Again.
Corky Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 In my mind, if you immigrate to a country and then commit a serious crime, you should be expected to face prison followed by deportation and a lifetime ban from the country. Sorry to bring up this tired (but valid) argument again, but how would you feel now if this man went on to rape another girl, or worse? Is it worth allowing him to stay here and risk a childs life? I don't think so. If an English or British person committed a crime like this abroad, would you be adamant they should come back to this island?
Guest MattP Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 If an English or British person committed a crime like this abroad, would you be adamant they should come back to this island? I would. We've produced them. I wanted Glitter back in here so we watch over him instead of carrying fiddling his way around Cambodia. And yes, any foriegn national who commits a serious offence here should be deported.
Daggers Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 I would. We've produced them. I wanted Glitter back in here so we watch over him instead of carrying fiddling his way around Cambodia. And yes, any foriegn national who commits a serious offence here should be deported. What does that mean? And why on Earth should an offender not face charges and sentence of the country where the offence happened? And are you planning on sending half of my son to Colombia if he commits an offence due to his dual citizenship?
Guest MattP Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 What does that mean? And why on Earth should an offender not face charges and sentence of the country where the offence happened? And are you planning on sending half of my son to Colombia if he commits an offence due to his dual citizenship? I mean after the sentence have been served in the country they offended they should return. Of course not, if he has dual citizenship he's a citizen of the United Kingdom.
MooseBreath Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Most other countries will deport a foreign criminal after they've served their time. Only in a country which has completely lost its marbles would this be seen as anything other than completely natural.
Daggers Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Most other countries will deport a foreign criminal after they've served their time. Really? Which countries would that be and after what crimes? How many times has it happened, when did it happen and what sources are you using for such ridiculous sweeping statements?
Captain... Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 I would. We've produced them. I wanted Glitter back in here so we watch over him instead of carrying fiddling his way around Cambodia. And yes, any foriegn national who commits a serious offence here should be deported. So he can carry on fiddling his way around wherever they are from, Sudan in this case which as has been documented above is rife with child abuse. To put it another way, say it was a Cambodian refugee over here caught kiddy fiddling do you really think the best thing to do would be to send them back to Cambodia? Kiddy fiddler capital of the world.
MooseBreath Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Really? Which countries would that be and after what crimes? How many times has it happened, when did it happen and what sources are you using for such ridiculous sweeping statements? It would probably be easier to list countries who don't rather than countries who do deport criminals, because I can't think of any who don't, including the UK. I thought this was common knowledge.
Guest MattP Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Its not the best but why In that lnstance why should anyone have to tolerate releasing a kiddy fiddler back into their society just because countries like Laos and Cambodia don't put the laws in place to protect against these crimes. For some reason a lot of people seem to want to turn this place into the world biggest toilet taking everyone's else's shit into its society.
MooseBreath Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 So he can carry on fiddling his way around wherever they are from, Sudan in this case which as has been documented above is rife with child abuse. To put it another way, say it was a Cambodian refugee over here caught kiddy fiddling do you really think the best thing to do would be to send them back to Cambodia? Kiddy fiddler capital of the world. This is definitely the most nauseating and disgusting piece of liberal tosh I have ever read on this forum, but allow me to respond to your horrific bullshit with a simple question: if there is still a real and known danger that they are going to rape kids, why are you releasing them in the first place?
Daggers Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 It would probably be easier to list countries who don't rather than countries who do deport criminals, because I can't think of any who don't, including the UK. I thought this was common knowledge. I can tell you for a fact that the three countries compromising Gran Colombia do not automatically deport offenders. A friend who was found guilty in the States was allowed to remain and, I suspect, this covers most countries. As I say, you sweeping statement is baseless without limiting it to offences and countries. Just because you think something might be true doesn't make it fact.
MooseBreath Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 I can tell you for a fact that the three countries compromising Gran Colombia do not automatically deport offenders. A friend who was found guilty in the States was allowed to remain and, I suspect, this covers most countries. As I say, you sweeping statement is baseless without limiting it to offences and countries. Just because you think something might be true doesn't make it fact. The US deports for murder, rape etc. As does Australia, Canada and probably every country.
Daggers Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 The US deports for murder, rape etc. As does Australia, Canada and probably every country. Now you are getting it - I told you that you had to limit your daft statement to certain types of offences for certain countries. Well done.
Guest MattP Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Let's not take our lessons from Gran Colombia mind, some of the sentences they dish out and people they have released isn't the sign of mentally stable nations. Swear Ecuador released Barbosa or Lopez after about ten years.
MooseBreath Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Now you are getting it - I told you that you had to limit your daft statement to certain types of offences for certain countries. Well done. I thought it went without saying that we were talking about crimes of a level similar to rape given the context of the thread. What did you think I was talking about, jaywalking?
Daggers Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 ...some of the sentences they dish out and people they have released isn't the sign of mentally stable nations. For someone who claims to have travelled you are amazingly insular and ignorant at times. I thought it went without saying It doesn't.
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