MooseBreath Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Cuddles. Criminals need more cuddles. Next time someone breaks into your house and threatens you with a knife before beating you and your family within an inch of your lives, just offer them a cuddle. It'll surely change their life. They're just misunderstood, and nothing they do is their choice because they're not very intelligent and just allow society to tell them what to do. All you've got to do is cuddle them and they'll immediately turn into a nice pink fluffy teddy bear.
Captain... Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 These pickpockets on their way to London for the rich pickings at the Olympics don't seem to have a clue or care one iota about the affect they may have on their victims. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18798792 - includes video. Nice of the BBC to interview them and not hand them over to the police. Now hands up who thinks the best thing here is to punish them, by say locking them up for a year or chopping their hands off....yep.....yep..... no surprises there. Ok now hands up those who think that seeing that this is all they have known we should perhaps try and teach them another way a better way and educate them on why stealing is wrong and give them another way, a legal way to make money and create a life for themselves.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Could also do what the non-liberal waould liketo do with them. Hang em high. After all they used to hang horse thieves and none re-offended.
davieG Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Nice of the BBC to interview them and not hand them over to the police. Now hands up who thinks the best thing here is to punish them, by say locking them up for a year or chopping their hands off....yep.....yep..... no surprises there. Ok now hands up those who think that seeing that this is all they have known we should perhaps try and teach them another way a better way and educate them on why stealing is wrong and give them another way, a legal way to make money and create a life for themselves. It depends so much on the individual some may learn from severe punishment some from counselling, coaching and re-education the problem is there isn't a one cap fits all as there rarely is to any solution. What bothers me about these types of criminal is they have not a shred of guilt or understanding of responsibility and I wonder whether it's really possible to change someone with such an ingrained profitably lifestyle where it would mean working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week to earn less than they probably currently get in a day and without someone telling them what to do.
sphericalfox Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 It depends so much on the individual some may learn from severe punishment some from counselling, coaching and re-education the problem is there isn't a one cap fits all as there rarely is to any solution. What bothers me about these types of criminal is they have not a shred of guilt or understanding of responsibility and I wonder whether it's really possible to change someone with such an ingrained profitably lifestyle where it would mean working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week to earn less than they probably currently get in a day and without someone telling them what to do. I'm down with DangerousTiger on this one. Black and white (not literally - I'm not acooling) is the way to look at this situation. Re-education and making them cook buns and treacle cakes after a stint on WWE on the PS3 is not the way forward.
Steven Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Prison is supposed to be a deterrent. It can't do that job when you turn it into some kind of all-inclusive training facility. Some of the liberal idiots on here would send prisoners to a five star resort before they'd put them somewhere tough. Disturbingly sheltered and naive fools abound on here sometimes. Have you seen the inside of a Thai gaol. Neither have I. They are no five star hotel. Is there crime in Thailand? Of course there is. The simplistic argument that making prison conditions deliberately bad to stop crime is disturbingly sheltered and naive.
MooseBreath Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Have you seen the inside of a Thai gaol. Neither have I. They are no five star hotel. Is there crime in Thailand? Of course there is. The simplistic argument that making prison conditions deliberately bad to stop crime is disturbingly sheltered and naive. I doubt you'll find anyone who would rather be in a Thai jail than work for a living. Their jails are certainly a deterrent. Nobody is suggesting that having such jails will completely wipe out crime.e.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Moose Read a few pages of this magazine. It is supported by the prison service and probation service. The editor is out everyday speaking to officials of the prison service prison wardens and ex-offenders. I would say he has some knowledge about prisons wouldn't you? If you disagree with any of the articles or think the work he and his colleagues do is being too soft the magazine accepts feedback and advice. If you pass on your vast knowledge I am sure he will take it on board. Of course you can completely dismiss it because you believe you are right and do not need to read up on the subject before commenting. http://insidenoutuk.wordpress.com/ no offense intended. Just trying to help.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Film on Film Four Bronson. It's about Britains most disruptive prisoner, charle Bronson. That isn't his real name he changed it after the actor who was his idol. Real name Michael Peterson. At the time the film was made 2008, he had spent 34 years in prison 30 of them in solitary. Being tough on him has not worked. But saying that he is a nutcase and however he was treated it probably would make no difference. He always wanted to be famous and now is by being Britains most violent and disruptive prisoner.
MPH Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Cuddles. Criminals need more cuddles. Next time someone breaks into your house and threatens you with a knife before beating you and your family within an inch of your lives, just offer them a cuddle. It'll surely change their life. They're just misunderstood, and nothing they do is their choice because they're not very intelligent and just allow society to tell them what to do. All you've got to do is cuddle them and they'll immediately turn into a nice pink fluffy teddy bear.
Reynard Bleu Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Cuddles. Criminals need more cuddles. Next time someone breaks into your house and threatens you with a knife before beating you and your family within an inch of your lives, just offer them a cuddle. It'll surely change their life. They're just misunderstood, and nothing they do is their choice because they're not very intelligent and just allow society to tell them what to do. All you've got to do is cuddle them and they'll immediately turn into a nice pink fluffy teddy bear. I hear tell that you can get a proper cuddle from fellow inmates if you want one, in the showers normally I understand.
Guest Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Quick question; How do you punish a person who isn't bothered about their loss of liberty, or lack of social interaction, for however many years? Nice to see Moosebreath has a full grasp of the situation.
Rincewind Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Crimminals do not need cuddles. For some iy will be too late. They have missed the cuddling stage when growing up. They may have been abused beaten, left to their own devices, recived less help in education, had parents that argued on a daily basis, a father that beat up his mother. So what would he know of cuddles? Is it not better to show to them that not everyone is raised in that way? That people do care for each other? Think of it like having a dog. If you beat it and let it roam free it may become aggressive and attack people. If you stop it on the first occasion it will eventually learn. If he comes up to you as a puppy and you stroke him he will come back. Whatever is done to stop a person must be a good thing surely?
Reynard Bleu Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 There must come a point where either due to the scale/impact of the crime or the repeated commiting of the crime(s) that an individual surrenders their human rights as laid out in statute. How do you rehabilitate people like Brevik in Norway, or other mass muderers? You can only rehabilitate or save those who want to be saved. The nutters are a case on their own, but If criminals can't/won't take the help to mend their ways then the only option is long term incarceration. Locking people away should not be a holiday but neither should it be cruel or uncivilised.
FoxyPV Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Quick question; How do you punish a person who isn't bothered about their loss of liberty, or lack of social interaction, for however many years? Nice to see Moosebreath has a full grasp of the situation. Put them in a temporal time loop of about 4 minutes in a situation that they will really hate. Maybe spending the entire time behind an old person in a queue who is paying in pennies, and just as it gets to their turn to pay the loop starts again. No costs are incurred, as you don't need to feed, house or entertain them. It's just a matter of developing the technology.
Rincewind Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 That Charles Bronson depicted in the film last night came from a decent home yet he became famous as Britains most violent prisoner. He was not normal though. A brain disorder from birth which made him like he was.
ADK Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 On reflection i think there are clearly differing solutions to different crimes and different patterns of criminal behavior. I stand by saying that the prison system should exist to protect society from criminals however.
Daggers Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Quick question; How do you punish a person who isn't bothered about their loss of liberty, or lack of social interaction, for however many years? Nice to see Moosebreath has a full grasp of the situation. Freeze them until a super-criminal escapes from cryoprison and then thaw them out to catch him as society will have evolved to eschew the violence so beloved by modern society.
sphericalfox Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Freeze them until a super-criminal escapes from cryoprison and then thaw them out to catch him as society will have evolved to eschew the violence so beloved by modern society. Or until we know what the three seashells are for.
purpleronnie Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 On reflection i think there are clearly differing solutions to different crimes and different patterns of criminal behavior. I stand by saying that the prison system should exist to protect society from criminals however. Isn't that what it does?
ADK Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Isn't that what it does? Not when it is releasing criminals with a high reoffending rate.
Guest Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 I'm watching Judge Dredd at the moment, I think you should leave judgement to me. I AM THE LAW!
Daggers Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 I'm watching Judge Dredd at the moment, I think you should leave judgement to me. I AM THE LAW! Thank you for that contribution, PC Simon Harwood.
Guest Posted 20 July 2012 Posted 20 July 2012 Thank you for that contribution, PC Simon Harwood. I knew you'd say that.
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