Captain... Posted 17 July 2012 Posted 17 July 2012 Some people have no right to be human ! You may be right, but fortunately it is not the daily mail that gets to decide that.
Guest MattP Posted 17 July 2012 Posted 17 July 2012 You can see how the Mail ends up the biggest selling paper in Britain in spite being fairly shite when you see the amount of mentions it's gets over the internet each and every day.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Moron. Exactly the response I would expect from a Neanderthal like yourself.
Reynard Bleu Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Everyone wants their 'rights', human and otherwise, but few seem to want any accountability for their own actions. That's the rub with me. I have no problem with protecting a human's rights as long a they have earned them.
purpleronnie Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Exactly the response I would expect from a Neanderthal like yourself. That's rich coming from someone who believes what you do...amazing you think I'm a neanderthal but I'm the one who believes in human rights.....joker.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 That's rich coming from someone who believes what you do...amazing you think I'm a neanderthal but I'm the one who believes in human rights.....joker. Human rights for murderers, rapists etc.! You are a sick Neanderthal then! What about the human rights of their victims, when their lives are destroyed? Obviously you don't care about them,you brain dead plank.
purpleronnie Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Human rights for murderers, rapists etc.! You are a sick Neanderthal then! What about the human rights of their victims, when their lives are destroyed? Obviously you don't care about them,you brain dead plank. And theres no-one in prison who 's innocent of course. Just out of interest how do you think prisoners should be treated?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 And theres no-one in prison who 's innocent of course. Just out of interest how do you think prisoners should be treated? Let's just say, let the punishment fit the crime Hang premeditated murderers, castrate rapists, and for the remainder, let them feel that they are being punished.for their crime. I expect you would namby pamby them, and tell them not to be naughty.boys and girls. I know one young lad from my P.C.S.O. days, who I got on well with. He was, and still is, a prolific burglar. I asked him once why he kept doing it, and told me that he enjoyed life in prison, where he had three square meals a day, T.V. to watch, games to play etc., at no cost to him. He felt no remorse for his victims. That says it all
purpleronnie Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Let's just say, let the punishment fit the crime Hang premeditated murderers, castrate rapists, and for the remainder, let them feel that they are being punished.for their crime. I expect you would namby pamby them, and tell them not to be naughty.boys and girls. I know one young lad from my P.C.S.O. days, who I got on well with. He was, and still is, a prolific burglar. I asked him once why he kept doing it, and told me that he enjoyed life in prison, where he had three square meals a day, T.V. to watch, games to play etc., at no cost to him. He felt no remorse for his victims. That says it all Strange, never thought you'd be a fan of those countries who believe an eye for an eye..... I'm sure your aware some prisons are tougher than others, I'm not saying the prisoners should have a home from home but to deny them human rights is ridiculas.
Rincewind Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Are you having an off day DT? Yes there are prisoners who are insttutonalised. If they have nothing to look forward to on the outside they may feel safer and more secure inside. What would happen to that lad you know if he did not return? He may not be able to find honest work because of his record. He would not have any money for rent, so he would be forced on the streets and commit crimes and where would he be sent? Inside even though they whip him every day. Its not the same for all of course. Some have families and children who they may see once a month. They cannot go down the pub when they want. They cannot surf the porn channels but you can do all this. Still want to trade places?
Guest Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 I know one young lad from my P.C.S.O. days, who I got on well with. He was, and still is, a prolific burglar. I asked him once why he kept doing it, and told me that he enjoyed life in prison, where he had three square meals a day, T.V. to watch, games to play etc., at no cost to him. He felt no remorse for his victims. That says it all Don't you think it's a sad indictment of society that some people feel that they have a better life in prison? Did you never stop to think that those are the problems we should be trying to address, not advocating to have this lad's hands cut off for his persistent offending?
ADK Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 I think the problem is releasing someone who clearly has not been rehabilitated and is still a danger to the public.
MooseBreath Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Don't you think it's a sad indictment of society that some people feel that they have a better life in prison? Did you never stop to think that those are the problems we should be trying to address, not advocating to have this lad's hands cut off for his persistent offending? Is the problem that prison is too soft or that life outside is just too damn hard and we really can't blame people for wanting to steal instead of just getting a job or living on benefits like everyone else? If the former, he has addressed the problem. If the latter, you might want to have a bit of a rethink.
I am Rod Hull Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Don't you think it's a sad indictment of society that some people feel that they have a better life in prison? Did you never stop to think that those are the problems we should be trying to address, not advocating to have this lad's hands cut off for his persistent offending? Right wingers... protest about sharia law / want to execute-disfigure criminals
Rincewind Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Is the problem that prison is too soft or that life outside is just too damn hard and we really can't blame people for wanting to steal instead of just getting a job or living on benefits like everyone else? If the former, he has addressed the problem. If the latter, you might want to have a bit of a rethink. When prisoners come out of prison they cannot walk into jobs that the law abiding unemployed cannot get. They often return to the same areas to live and mix with the same people that may have been the cause for them turning to crime. At least inside they'd be having an education and learning a trade and who knows if giving a chance when outside he will not return. Simple logic.
ADK Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Like i said, he shouldn't have kept being released. If someone is not capable of looking after themselves and does not feel shame in the distress they cause by commiting burglary then it's quite obvious they are going to reoffend. Releasing them at that point is almost aiding a criminal. Blaming society is pointless too, it's the prisons job to both rehabilitate criminals and protect law abiding citizens from people liable to commit crime.
Reynard Bleu Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Like i said, he shouldn't have kept being released. If someone is not capable of looking after themselves and does not feel shame in the distress they cause by commiting burglary then it's quite obvious they are going to reoffend. Releasing them at that point is almost aiding a criminal. Blaming society is pointless too, it's the prisons job to both rehabilitate criminals and protect law abiding citizens from people liable to commit crime. But whose job is it to give children the values and self esteem to prevent them turning to crime in the first place? I know not every criminal comes from a broken home or a home where there is no love, no direction and no support. But alot of the shitty, petty crimes seem to be committed by kids who do not care about what's right or wrong, they take because they want. Too many parents abdicate responsibility when the going gets tough.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 There was once a (great?) woman leader in the 80's who said 'If you want something go for it and do not worry about who you hurt to get it.' It seems a lot of parents who grew up in that era have taken those words litually.
Guest Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Is the problem that prison is too soft or that life outside is just too damn hard and we really can't blame people for wanting to steal instead of just getting a job or living on benefits like everyone else? If the former, he has addressed the problem. If the latter, you might want to have a bit of a rethink. Somebody needs to go away and think about things a little more. It's not me. Right wingers... protest about sharia law / want to execute-disfigure criminals The hypocrisy astounds me. Like i said, he shouldn't have kept being released. If someone is not capable of looking after themselves and does not feel shame in the distress they cause by commiting burglary then it's quite obvious they are going to reoffend. Releasing them at that point is almost aiding a criminal. Blaming society is pointless too, it's the prisons job to both rehabilitate criminals and protect law abiding citizens from people liable to commit crime. So you would be happy with overcrowded prisons? Will you be happy for a tax increase to fund this? Anyone who thinks that society plays no role in crime is being very naive. I think I'm being generous when I write that.
Steven Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 I think the problem is releasing someone who clearly has not been rehabilitated and is still a danger to the public. Is prison there to punish or to rehabilitate?
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 I would say to educate the prisoner to a level so they are reabiliated enough so they do not return to prison and be punished by removing their freedom.
Head Honcho Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 What's wrong is that he only got imprisoned for 3 years for raping a 12 year old girl. Amen to that brother.
Captain... Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Is prison there to punish or to rehabilitate? I think that is the problem with viewing prisons as just punishment, and fixed sentences, you can serve your punishment and not be rehabilitated.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 The problem is people thinking reabilitation starts and stops within the prison walls. When released the priisoner still has to fit back into society. This would require a job, somewhere to live and acceptance by others that he is trying to go straight. It is easy for those not in that situation to not see a problem with it.
Darkon84 Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Is prison there to punish or to rehabilitate? THAT is the million dollar question.
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