Rincewind Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 110,000 applied for the GS4 Olypic security jobs, 50,000 were interviewed and they couldn't get 10,000 out of them. Think they are 6000 short of what they promised.
Tincy Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 G4S* I worked for them for 4 years and I have to say they are the worst company I have ever worked for! And it's no surprise to me they have ****ed up the security for the Olympics
davieG Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Merc Hundreds of young people fear their dreams of working at the Olympics are in tatters because of thesecurity 'fiasco'. They were lined up to work for G4S as temporary security guards at Olympic venues, hotels and training centres in London and across the country. ​ However, with the Games beginning next week, up to 250 of the 300 young people who completed their G4S training at Leicester College have not yet been told where, when or even if they will be working. Ellie Bennett, 18, of South Wigston, completed the free four-day training course at the college. She said: "It was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to work at the Olympic Games, but it looks now like it's not going to happen now." Nick Buckles, chief executive of G4S appeared before the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee – which chaired by Leicester East MP Keith Vaz – yesterday to admit his firm's handling of the Olympic security operation had been a "humiliating shambles". The Leicester College students have not received G4S uniforms or confirmation they have passed the vetting process put in place to ensure nobody with criminal convictions was allowed to work. G4S acknowledged the delays and said it hoped to rectify the problems in the next few days. Ellie said: "All I have is the certificate for the Security Industry Authority (SIA) qualification. "I have heard nothing from G4S about where and when I'm meant to be working. "I haven't had the uniform or details of accommodation yet either. "We were told we'd be staying on a liner on the Thames. "If I was in this situation with months or even weeks to go I could understand it, but there's only a few days to go now. "All I can say is that I'm really worried it's not going to happen for me now." Her mum, Alison, said: "Ellie was really excited but we're not holding out any hope that she will be able to go now. "All these young people are trained and ready to go." The training, through the Bridging the Gap project, began at the end of last year. The four-day course included skills such as self-defence, search techniques and crowd control. An estimated 6,300 young people at 90 colleges across the country completed the training. The national Association of Colleges reported yesterday that the delays were affecting all of the institutions. A spokeswoman for Leicester College said: "Our learners have worked incredibly hard to complete the SIA qualification. "We understand how frustrated our learners must be trying to find out information from G4S. "The college is looking into this situation further and doing all it can to help the learners, who we know are keen to start work." Yesterday, after the Home Affairs Select Committee session, Mr Vaz said: "I am deeply disappointed that students taking part in the Bridging the Gap training programme have been left in a position of uncertainty by G4S. "I have been contacted by Maggie Galliers, the principal of Leicester College, who is rightly concerned about some 250 students at Leicester College who now find themselves without details on their working times, dates or accreditation from G4S. "This is simply unacceptable just days before the opening ceremony." The Government has called in an extra 3,500 troops to fill gaps in Games security after G4S admitted this month that it would not be able to provide the agreed number of guards. A G4S spokesman said: "An unprecedented response by people wanting to be part of the London Games by joining the security workforce has presented challenges in keeping candidates fully informed of when and where they will deployed. "We would like to reassure students involved in the Bridging the Gap scheme that they will be provided with all the relevant information in the next few days. "We sincerely regret any inconvenience and frustration caused by delay." People who are in Ellie's situation can contact G4S directly at: [email protected]
davieG Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 A bit rich though for Keith Vaz with his background of underhand doings to be questioning the status of those running GS4 in fact why is he Chairman of the select committee on home affairs?
Rincewind Posted 18 July 2012 Author Posted 18 July 2012 If I knew I would still be out of work I may have applied last year but I though its a year off if I get the job I would still be out of work unless they found somewhere in Leicester and if I go a job I would have to decide wher to give it up. The applications closed in March Just looked on the description page. £8.50 per hour and more at the more dangerous venues. From what a girl in the Mecury said the accomondation was on a boat. I thought they would use more than one company. There must be plenty of security companies in London that could take on extra staff.
I am Rod Hull Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Still claiming their £57,000,000 mismanagement fee They`ll probably get away with it depending on how many MP`s are on their pay role.
Fox You Forest Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Didn't rate them on the X Factor and I'm not surprised they split.
Phube Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 My favourite conspiracy theory for this (which to me sounds scarily plausible): It was designed to fail by the Government, so they could put the troops on the ground. If they had said a year or two ago that they'll be deploying 3-4,000 troops on London's streets there'd be outcry... Now it's like 'good old army, helping out and saving the day! Funny... but you never know! ( I feel like I'm turning into El Empty!)
I am Rod Hull Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 My favourite conspiracy theory for this (which to me sounds scarily plausible): It was designed to fail by the Government, so they could put the troops on the ground. If they had said a year or two ago that they'll be deploying 3-4,000 troops on London's streets there'd be outcry... Now it's like 'good old army, helping out and saving the day! Funny... but you never know! ( I feel like I'm turning into El Empty!) How many rolls of tin foil do you have under the sink/bed?
davieG Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 My favourite conspiracy theory for this (which to me sounds scarily plausible): It was designed to fail by the Government, so they could put the troops on the ground. If they had said a year or two ago that they'll be deploying 3-4,000 troops on London's streets there'd be outcry... Now it's like 'good old army, helping out and saving the day! Funny... but you never know! ( I feel like I'm turning into El Empty!)
Phube Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 How many rolls of tin foil do you have under the sink/bed? So it's wrong to using tin foil to wallpaper your house?
1964FOX Posted 18 July 2012 Posted 18 July 2012 Bet the people of Lincolnshire are glad G4S have taken over the running of thei police force including answering 999 calls, oh wait, it could be us soon as more polic forces get privatised.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Bet the people of Lincolnshire are glad G4S have taken over the running of thei police force including answering 999 calls, oh wait, it could be us soon as more polic forces get privatised. Comparing recruitment of 10,000 temp staff for a few weeks to a few hundred permanent staff is a bit disengenuous.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Personally think in this case the idea of having the security manned by stacks of people with 4 days training doesn't fill me with confidence. Personally prefer the idea of having well trained soldiers on the ground. At least they can follow instructions, which will mean routine things get done properly, and if the shit hit the fan for some reason, there will be a co-ordinated response.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Author Posted 19 July 2012 The four day course is prett easy. You get health and safety one or two scenarios to act out and a questionaire which is mainly common sense. In a scenario I payed out I was an owner of a rust bucket of a car and a supervisor of mine was the owner of a flash sports car. It took place in a car park and my car was supposadly to have scraped his whilst leaving. The argument was fun. I called him a stuck up snob and said there was not even a mark that was visible. Then another trainee playing security had to resolve the situation. Not sure how well he did but but the idea is to remain neutral and not take sides. Basically it was acouple of days pratical and a couple of days tests. It is different when outside. I'm qualified but there would be a lot of areas I would not feel comfatable with. GS4 will be putting new recruits into the deep end from day one. Like most jobs you learn from experience and they will need to get things right straight away. Not sure about the army. They may look more threatening and cause more agro than security. Will they have weapons with them and dressed in full army uniform? Security officers would just have radios.
Jimothy Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Personally think in this case the idea of having the security manned by stacks of people with 4 days training doesn't fill me with confidence. Personally prefer the idea of having well trained soldiers on the ground. At least they can follow instructions, which will mean routine things get done properly, and if the shit hit the fan for some reason, there will be a co-ordinated response. I've read a lot of your post, and lets be honest, had the Tories sucured a contract with Al-Queda to do the security at the Olympics, you'd have found a way to say it was a good idea. At the end of the day the whole thing has been a shambles, from G4S to the Government. Whether it's better to have soldiers or not, it should never have come to this. Another expample of this Governments total inability to do, well anything really.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 I've read a lot of your post, and lets be honest, had the Tories sucured a contract with Al-Queda to do the security at the Olympics, you'd have found a way to say it was a good idea. At the end of the day the whole thing has been a shambles, from G4S to the Government. Whether it's better to have soldiers or not, it should never have come to this. Another expample of this Governments total inability to do, well anything really. You do realise that there have always been thousands of soldiers involved in the games security, and that G4S were supposed to be filling in the gaps? This is a rebalancing of the numbers. Clearly G4S have failed miserably, and I hope they don't get their management fee or any similar contracts in future. If you want to make it into some great big government fiasco then go for it. No doubt you would have done the same had the original proposal been for 10,000 soldiers on the streets. edit: when I say filling in the gaps I mean the less sensitive parts of the security operation, and that is an assumption on my part.
ADK Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 These kind of companies are always shit to work for, usually you have to do most of the training without getting paid and with no guarantee of ever getting any work. It seems they got done at their own game and alot of the people they thought they could just haul in are now not interested.
Reynard Bleu Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 G4S is a huge organisation. Its not a tinpot company. G4S has 657,000 employees in more than 125 countries and makes its money from companies and governments outsourcing "businesses processes" - placing security staff where there aren't enough police, for example, or prison officers where those are lacking. Cash Management, Guarding, etc, etc. I think I'm right in saying that it's the 2nd largest private employer in the world (I stand to be corrected). Its hard to believe such a company is capable of such basic errors. Someone did not tell the Emperor he had no clothes on. This company runs prisons, guards criminals,, etc, etc. God help us. I know a number of ex- Army colleagues who have been ordered to deploy as Security at various Olympic sites. They will do a first rate job, they will always turn up, they won't miss much and they won't moan out loud. Some have had their summer leave/holiday plans trashed others have just returned from a tour in Afghanistan and are exhausted, but they will do the job, as they always do. The £57 million G4S want would save a few of their jobs.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Author Posted 19 July 2012 Filling in the gaps would be on car parks, checking deliveries, bag searches at venues, crowd monitering and stewarding and maybe giving out leaflets and directions. If they hear ticking during a bag search their course of action should be to call for back up not a clocksmith to determine what the bag contain.. But will they have been told that during training? Tick tock tick tock.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 G4S is a huge organisation. Its not a tinpot company. G4S has 657,000 employees in more than 125 countries and makes its money from companies and governments outsourcing "businesses processes" - placing security staff where there aren't enough police, for example, or prison officers where those are lacking. Cash Management, Guarding, etc, etc. I think I'm right in saying that it's the 2nd largest private employer in the world (I stand to be corrected). Its hard to believe such a company is capable of such basic errors. Someone did not tell the Emperor he had no clothes on. This company runs prisons, guards criminals,, etc, etc. God help us. I know a number of ex- Army colleagues who have been ordered to deploy as Security at various Olympic sites. They will do a first rate job, they will always turn up, they won't miss much and they won't moan out loud. Some have had their summer leave/holiday plans trashed others have just returned from a tour in Afghanistan and are exhausted, but they will do the job, as they always do. The £57 million G4S want would save a few of their jobs. I agree it is hard to believe. I wonder how many of the shortfall were people who signed up some time ago and when it came down to it were not interested anymore.
Head Honcho Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 London Olympics 2012 Putting Shareholders First............maybe that should have been the motto. P&G VISA Coca Cola McDonalds Not one of those organisations promotes anything to do with what the modern olympic movement was established for.
Jon the Hat Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 London Olympics 2012 Putting Shareholders First............maybe that should have been the motto. P&G VISA Coca Cola McDonalds Not one of those organisations promotes anything to do with what the modern olympic movement was established for. No one one else wants to pay for the Games though do they?
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Author Posted 19 July 2012 a suggestion for a slogan. Go for a meal at McDonalds have a double big mac with fries, Coka Cola and pay with your Visa card and you too can be an Olympic champion.'
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