Leeds muslims says they`ll be more murders

[lush]

Young men in Leeds have just said on channel 4`s news programme, that there will be more attacks by muslims in England.

They also feel agreived by the `intrusion` of their area by the police.

This is the first insight by the media into what the people of britian are really thinking, not what they want us to think, and amazingly on the same day when community leaders from accross britain converge in trafalgar square to tell us how we`ll all stick together and defeat this hatred upon us.

Sky news suggested that theres 2,000 muslims in britian who have trained with al quieda, and thats what we `know` off.

What is the muslim community really thinking? What do we all really believe? Do we really listen to what the media through `leaders` tell us?

[Solihullfox]

Young men in Leeds have just said on channel 4`s news programme, that there will be more attacks by muslims in England.

They also feel agreived by the `intrusion` of their area by the police.

This is the first insight by the media into what the people of britian are really thinking, not what they want us to think, and amazingly on the same day when community leaders from accross britain converge in trafalgar square to tell us how we`ll all stick together and defeat this hatred upon us.

Sky news suggested that theres 2,000 muslims in britian who have trained with al quieda, and thats what we `know` off.

What is the muslim community really thinking? What do we all really believe? Do we really listen to what the media through `leaders` tell us?

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There have been a number of "predictions" that there will be widespread racial and religous based violent occurences in the UK during October. You do wonder if the suggestions of trouble may come to be a fact when the media pump soundbites into homes. News reports that detail words such as "intrusion" etc. into areas of the UK that are considered "ours" by less tolerant than most will I am sure only fuel the powder keg of tension that IS developing. When the muslim community is SEEN to be offering up the extremists that are there, the more extreme views held by an increasing number of people, may just be satisfied that the majority of muslim 's do not condone these actions. If this doesn't happen I have a horrible feeling that things here could turn very nasty and the soothsayer's may well be correct, sooner rather than later.

[lush]

There have been a number of "predictions" that there will be widespread racial and religous based violent occurences in the UK during October.

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Who made these predictions, and why?

[Muz]

There have been a number of "predictions" that there will be widespread racial and religous based violent occurences in the UK during October.

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Who made these predictions, and why?

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One muslim was murdered in Nottingham by a gang of youths last week , it was reported in the news.

[lush]

One muslim was murdered in Nottingham by a gang of youths last week , it was reported in the news.

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Was it this one

An awful lot happens in Nottingham.

BOMBER'S FAMILY IN NOTTS

RACISM ALERT AFTER BOMBS

BOMB ALERT IN CITY CENTRE

POLICE HUNTING THIRD MAN AFTER CITY CENTRE ATTACK

Whats the odds that the victims here are white? ***If*** so, why isnt it reported as a racial attack.

[Matt]

One muslim was murdered in Nottingham by a gang of youths last week , it was reported in the news.

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Was it this one

An awful lot happens in Nottingham.

BOMBER'S FAMILY IN NOTTS

RACISM ALERT AFTER BOMBS

BOMB ALERT IN CITY CENTRE

POLICE HUNTING THIRD MAN AFTER CITY CENTRE ATTACK

Whats the odds that the victims here are white? ***If*** so, why isnt it reported as a racial attack.

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Exactly I am not racist, but white people get called racists for doing hardly nothing yet muslims, black people, e.t.c, can do anything to white people but its not racist, fair enough i'm sure muslims, black people, other relegions, e.t.c do get a fair amount of abuse but when my mum used to work in a secondry school as a midday suppervisor (Dinnerlady basically) she got so much abuse from the muslim/black pupils she and her collegues got so much accusations of racism when they were doing none of the sort, but they could call her anything, in the end she quit her job because she was sick and tried of it (She didn't quit purly of it but it was a major factor), is that really fair?

[lush]

No matt, sounds like madness to me.

The media dont report anti-white racism like the racist murders of gavin hopley and kriss donald, but we couldnt get away from the `racist` murder of stephen lawrence.

[Steven]

Lot of young men rabbiting. Before I say anything further I feel for every family of those that have died. I also wish all this "terrorist" activity was placed into some form of context. I am utterly perplexed at the way in which we are all supposed place those that died in this bomb in some way apart from all other people that die.

I am struck by a report that came out earlier this year that said 40% of all road accidents are caused by the state of the road. Given that some 3,500 ish people die on the roads each year it means roughly 4 people a day die due to the fact the Government do not spend enough money on road maintenance.

What matters the fact that someone dies or the way in which they die ? It would seem to me that the fact someone dies needlessly either by bombs or by negligence has equal weight. In that case it would seem reasonable that the Government should be spending the most attention in attacking those areas that have the greatest number of actual deaths. As this is not the case one can only assume they are playing politics with the situation.

How does this relate to the young men in Leeds. Well they ought to realise the futility of their situation. By my calculations they would need to launch 25 ish attacks of the same type to match the road traffic number. Governments will allow people to die to suit their own ends and this situation is no different.

[Babylon]

I designed a leaflet for a council in England about Racial Equality. I was told I couldn't use pictures of white people.... where is the equality in that.

I just want everyone to be treated the same. Why should my dad run his own business for 40+ years, have to sell up because it wasn't working and be told he can't claim job seekers as he was self employed. Yet others can waltz into the country and get hand outs galore.

Political correctness in this country is OTT.

[Babylon]

Lot of young men rabbiting. Before I say anything further I feel for every family of those that have died. I also wish all this "terrorist" activity was placed into some form of context. I am utterly perplexed at the way in which we are all supposed place those that died in this bomb in some way apart from all other people that die.

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Well said Steven, I was thinking exactly the same today. Of course we feel for the victims, their family and friends. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but some of the reporting i have seen in newspapers and on tv has been ridiculous.

[davieG]

Lot of young men rabbiting. Before I say anything further I feel for every family of those that have died. I also wish all this "terrorist" activity was placed into some form of context. I am utterly perplexed at the way in which we are all supposed place those that died in this bomb in some way apart from all other people that die.

I am struck by a report that came out earlier this year that said 40% of all road accidents are caused by the state of the road. Given that some 3,500 ish people die on the roads each year it means roughly 4 people a day die due to the fact the Government do not spend enough money on road maintenance.

What matters the fact that someone dies or the way in which they die ? It would seem to me that the fact someone dies needlessly either by bombs or by negligence has equal weight. In that case it would seem reasonable that the Government should be spending the most attention in attacking those areas that have the greatest number of actual deaths. As this is not the case one can only assume they are playing politics with the situation.

How does this relate to the young men in Leeds. Well they ought to realise the futility of their situation. By my calculations they would need to launch 25 ish attacks of the same type to match the road traffic number. Governments will allow people to die to suit their own ends and this situation is no different.

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Difficult point to make Steven and valid viewpoint at that, deaths other than those caused by wars/terrorism that are what one might call corporate negligence and avoidable such as road deaths I put firmly at the feet of party politics - I don't profess to have a solution because we are a naturally tribal species but party politics enables MPs to ditch their principles and cloud their consciences and hide behind collective guilt therefore diluting it and making it hard approportion blame. The media of course love it and treat it like some football match and takes the public along with them so that it all seems like some sort of game and eventually with so many statistics published every day they become meaningless.

As an aside I've always held the view that the bigger the death toll the less personal emotion it produces as it so hard to comprehend and visualise. There was more emotion publically displayed over the death of Princess Diana than for any other death I've ever ever come across, certainly in this country.

[davieG]

I designed a leaflet for a council in England about Racial Equality. I was told I couldn't use pictures of white people.... where is the equality in that.

I just want everyone to be treated the same. Why should my dad run his own business for 40+ years, have to sell up because it wasn't working and be told he can't claim job seekers as he was self employed. Yet others can waltz into the country and get hand outs galore.

Political correctness in this country is OTT.

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Well I worked for the same company for 30 plus years contributing without fail every week and when I was made redundant I couldn't claim a penny and had to use my redundancy money for the 2 years I was unemployed. I even had to pay tax on the little bit of interest I received.

[Babylon]

I designed a leaflet for a council in England about Racial Equality. I was told I couldn't use pictures of white people.... where is the equality in that.

I just want everyone to be treated the same. Why should my dad run his own business for 40+ years, have to sell up because it wasn't working and be told he can't claim job seekers as he was self employed. Yet others can waltz into the country and get hand outs galore.

Political correctness in this country is OTT.

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Well I worked for the same company for 30 plus years contributing without fail every week and when I was made redundant I couldn't claim a penny and had to use my redundancy money for the 2 years I was unemployed. I even had to pay tax on the little bit of interest I received.

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Sometimes I really hate this country, stuff like that makes my blood boil.

Those who don't deserve, get.

Those who do, don't.

[lush]

What matters the fact that someone dies or the way in which they die ? It would seem to me that the fact someone dies needlessly either by bombs or by negligence has equal weight. In that case it would seem reasonable that the Government should be spending the most attention in attacking those areas that have the greatest number of actual deaths. As this is not the case one can only assume they are playing politics with the situation.

How does this relate to the young men in Leeds. Well they ought to realise the futility of their situation. By my calculations they would need to launch 25 ish attacks of the same type to match the road traffic number. Governments will allow people to die to suit their own ends and this situation is no different.

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What you goda realise is, saving lives on our roads at the moment, doesnt get votes, talking on your 21" tv screen in a suit about how dreadful terrorists are, does. HOWEVER, IF enough people complain about road death, then they`ll tell us how better their going to spend OUR money on the roads.

```Governments will allow people to die to suit their own ends```

SPOT ON!!!

Its all about you me and our community, if you want blair n co to LISTEN, you gota shout LOUD.

You could argue (in response to your death query) that blair is a terrorist due to the many deaths on our roads? Lets be honest, why should we drive on dangerous roads, when he doesnt?

[lush]

I designed a leaflet for a council in England about Racial Equality. I was told I couldn't use pictures of white people.... where is the equality in that.

I just want everyone to be treated the same. Why should my dad run his own business for 40+ years, have to sell up because it wasn't working and be told he can't claim job seekers as he was self employed. Yet others can waltz into the country and get hand outs galore.

Political correctness in this country is OTT.

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Anychance i can see that leaflet?

[Babylon]

I designed a leaflet for a council in England about Racial Equality. I was told I couldn't use pictures of white people.... where is the equality in that.

I just want everyone to be treated the same. Why should my dad run his own business for 40+ years, have to sell up because it wasn't working and be told he can't claim job seekers as he was self employed. Yet others can waltz into the country and get hand outs galore.

Political correctness in this country is OTT.

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Anychance i can see that leaflet?

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Yes if you want to. You can PM me an email address where I should send it.

As long as it isn't distributed to anyone else. Don't want to bite the hand that feeds me, so to speak.

[Thracian]

Young men in Leeds have just said on channel 4`s news programme, that there will be more attacks by muslims in England.

They also feel agreived by the `intrusion` of their area by the police.

This is the first insight by the media into what the people of britian are really thinking, not what they want us to think, and amazingly on the same day when community leaders from accross britain converge in trafalgar square to tell us how we`ll all stick together and defeat this hatred upon us.

Sky news suggested that theres 2,000 muslims in britian who have trained with al quieda, and thats what we `know` off.

What is the muslim community really thinking? What do we all really believe? Do we really listen to what the media through `leaders` tell us?

138179[/snapback]

Standard practice on the march toward Islamic global domination which people like the BBC shamelessly aide and abet: take every situation and squeeze out more concessions.

Problem for us is that media organisations, especially those apologists at the BBC are suckers for allowing themselves to be leaned on by the manipulators and as an organisation is packed full of politicals who are happy to manipulate anyone daft enough to listen to their apparently reasoned (but always subtly slanted) misinformation.

The thing I'd ask of the forum is to notice things. Do you notice?. For instance it is years ago that I told my family they were being additionally brainwashed by television adverts which were broadcast louder than the surrounding programmes.

Years after the practice was started, and after years of being able to have its effect, there are moves to end it.

Believe me that is only one example of the way television is used to manipulate people.

If the British people know what is good for them they'd force the disbanding of the BBC tomorrow and replace it with an organisation which respects and values England, English culture and "Christian" values.

An organisation which won't be suckered into diluting those values, who won't concede ground to misguided fanatics and who won't provide a platform for people who are a disgrace to any God and a bigger disgrace to decent mankind.

[Deathside]

This thread is far too intense for me - Especially at this time of the morning

So, on a lighter note

No matt, sounds like madness to me.

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Baggy Trousers duh duh duh duh

Baggy Trousers duh duh duh duh

Baggy Trousers

[Steven]

Young men in Leeds have just said on channel 4`s news programme, that there will be more attacks by muslims in England.

They also feel agreived by the `intrusion` of their area by the police.

This is the first insight by the media into what the people of britian are really thinking, not what they want us to think, and amazingly on the same day when community leaders from accross britain converge in trafalgar square to tell us how we`ll all stick together and defeat this hatred upon us.

Sky news suggested that theres 2,000 muslims in britian who have trained with al quieda, and thats what we `know` off.

What is the muslim community really thinking? What do we all really believe? Do we really listen to what the media through `leaders` tell us?

138179[/snapback]

Standard practice on the march toward Islamic global domination which people like the BBC shamelessly aide and abet: take every situation and squeeze out more concessions.

Problem for us is that media organisations, especially those apologists at the BBC are suckers for allowing themselves to be leaned on by the manipulators and as an organisation is packed full of politicals who are happy to manipulate anyone daft enough to listen to their apparently reasoned (but always subtly slanted) misinformation.

The thing I'd ask of the forum is to notice things. Do you notice?. For instance it is years ago that I told my family they were being additionally brainwashed by television adverts which were broadcast louder than the surrounding programmes.

Years after the practice was started, and after years of being able to have its effect, there are moves to end it.

Believe me that is only one example of the way television is used to manipulate people.

If the British people know what is good for them they'd force the disbanding of the BBC tomorrow and replace it with an organisation which respects and values England, English culture and "Christian" values.

An organisation which won't be suckered into diluting those values, who won't concede ground to misguided fanatics and who won't provide a platform for people who are a disgrace to any God and a bigger disgrace to decent mankind.

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As a devout Atheist I for one would have a problem with promoting any form of religion.

[breadandcheese]

I am struck by a report that came out earlier this year that said 40% of all road accidents are caused by the state of the road. Given that some 3,500 ish people die on the roads each year it means roughly 4 people a day die due to the fact the Government do not spend enough money on road maintenance.

What matters the fact that someone dies or the way in which they die ? It would seem to me that the fact someone dies needlessly either by bombs or by negligence has equal weight. In that case it would seem reasonable that the Government should be spending the most attention in attacking those areas that have the greatest number of actual deaths. As this is not the case one can only assume they are playing politics with the situation.

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The only pressure local councils understand is the pressure on their budgets. If a government or local council is found to have neglected the maintenance of a public highway, leading to an accident, they will be liable. If the families of victims of car accidents were prepared to take legal action against the government or local council in charge of road maintenance, this problem would be quickly solved.

[Thracian]

One muslim was murdered in Nottingham by a gang of youths last week , it was reported in the news.

138222[/snapback]

Was it this one

An awful lot happens in Nottingham.

BOMBER'S FAMILY IN NOTTS

RACISM ALERT AFTER BOMBS

BOMB ALERT IN CITY CENTRE

POLICE HUNTING THIRD MAN AFTER CITY CENTRE ATTACK

Whats the odds that the victims here are white? ***If*** so, why isnt it reported as a racial attack.

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Exactly I am not racist, but white people get called racists for doing hardly nothing yet muslims, black people, e.t.c, can do anything to white people but its not racist, fair enough i'm sure muslims, black people, other relegions, e.t.c do get a fair amount of abuse but when my mum used to work in a secondry school as a midday suppervisor (Dinnerlady basically) she got so much abuse from the muslim/black pupils she and her collegues got so much accusations of racism when they were doing none of the sort, but they could call her anything, in the end she quit her job because she was sick and tried of it (She didn't quit purly of it but it was a major factor), is that really fair?

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As I said in a previous thread: There are people in place to encourage and ensure the march towards Islamic domination.

It is nothing new. Freemasons have existed in the depths of our society manipulating from within. They are still there. But the immediate threat is from Islamists who have publicly declared War on the West and capitalist society.

That war is not only fought with bombs. Every education authority, every county council, every police force, every hospital, indeed every major service and organisation in our land has people undermining the English and English values in favour of their own political and religious ends.

English liberals and multiculturalists have misguidedly allowed themselves to be used to further these ends to the point where any voice for England is all-but impotent and where it is often now probably too late to repair the damage.

The message on Cobridge bridge from a Pakistani's hand said it all for me months ago: "You've got your flag but we've got your country".

The treatment of your mother was a disgrace (another attack on a woman, another attack on the weak by the powerful). Her only consolation will be that there's plenty of people in a similar position for her to talk to and that, of course, is proof of the truth in what I am saying.

The big thing about the Islamists is THEY ARE ORGANISED. Our freedom and our individuality is being used as our weakness. Your mother was hounded out because there was no-one to defend her against a an organised, vicious and more powerful force. And that in her own country.

Exactly this sort of thing happened in Nazi Germany.

People were displaced because they didn't fit and it all started with the first concessions to the emerging new order.

There, sadly, was the perfect blueprint.

How ironic that the BNP would offer a potential antidote.

But that, of course, is not what we want (unless the BNP has changed and I've still not heard that on this forum).

The people being displaced in our country, people like your mother, for the most part do not want to hate people either for their colour or creed, they don't want to kill people (My God we've never gone in for killing and maiming women, children, the handicapped and the defenceless).

They want to be considerate, tolerant, live by decent laws, do good rather than harm and so on.

Indeed, everything that is laid down as a cornerstone of Christian values.

Indeed everything that is laid down as the cornerstone of many other religious values.

And yet, your mother was displaced because the strength to defend our values has been conceded to those who would replace them with a new set of values. Conceded, in the first instance, by our own misguided people.

And all because we have apologists in Government, apologists in the BBC and apologists in our Christian churches who have for so long diluted the values they should have stood for.

It is high time we realised as do various brave and farsighted journalists in the national press that we have to re-define what we believe in and stand united if our determination to protect those beliefs and those freedoms which represent our way of life.

The prospect of Islamic law in Britain is not inconceivable and I am not exageratting. In my own family, I am known for warning of many unexpected things which turn out to be true years further on. Not because of any great intellect, not because of any psychic ability but simply because those outcomes are logical.

Reactionary violence won't end the threat to our way of life. It is utterly futile and indefensible. IT IS NOT WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

We must re-establish our values and our way of life in our country and persuade others that it is a better way than the way of hatred, fanaticism, and the endless murder of women, the weak and the defenceless.

We must be brave enough to publicily celebrate our values in every area of our society. The pen really is mightier than the sword but we need a lot of pens to fight one hell of a lot of swords.

[Thracian]

I designed a leaflet for a council in England about Racial Equality. I was told I couldn't use pictures of white people.... where is the equality in that.

I just want everyone to be treated the same. Why should my dad run his own business for 40+ years, have to sell up because it wasn't working and be told he can't claim job seekers as he was self employed. Yet others can waltz into the country and get hand outs galore.

Political correctness in this country is OTT.

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Well said Babylon. Pity you didn't refuse to do the leaflet and get the reasons some national publicity. More proof of "People in Place to influence their own ends". BBC were told not to call the London bombers terrorists...etc, etc,etc

It is all gathering pace but I sense that the for-so-long silent representatives of our way of life are at last starting to stir. It is time for an English voice to be heard.

[Thracian]

I designed a leaflet for a council in England about Racial Equality. I was told I couldn't use pictures of white people.... where is the equality in that.

I just want everyone to be treated the same. Why should my dad run his own business for 40+ years, have to sell up because it wasn't working and be told he can't claim job seekers as he was self employed. Yet others can waltz into the country and get hand outs galore.

Political correctness in this country is OTT.

138259[/snapback]

Well I worked for the same company for 30 plus years contributing without fail every week and when I was made redundant I couldn't claim a penny and had to use my redundancy money for the 2 years I was unemployed. I even had to pay tax on the little bit of interest I received.

138272[/snapback]

Sometimes I really hate this country, stuff like that makes my blood boil.

Those who don't deserve, get.

Those who do, don't.

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Loads of others feel the same. Keep making your voice heard. Unite and the sound will be louder. We've been sat on so no-one can hear us for years.

[breadandcheese]

Standard practice on the march toward Islamic global domination which people like the BBC shamelessly aide and abet: take every situation and squeeze out more concessions.

Problem for us is that media organisations, especially those apologists at the BBC are suckers for allowing themselves to be leaned on by the manipulators and as an organisation is packed full of politicals who are happy to manipulate anyone daft enough to listen to their apparently reasoned (but always subtly slanted) misinformation.

The thing I'd ask of the forum is to notice things. Do you notice?. For instance it is years ago that I told my family they were being additionally brainwashed by television adverts which were broadcast louder than the surrounding programmes.

Years after the practice was started, and after years of being able to have its effect,  there are moves to end it.

Believe me that is only one example of the way television is used to manipulate people.

If the British people know what is good for them they'd force the disbanding of the BBC tomorrow and replace it with an organisation which respects and values England, English culture and "Christian" values.       

An organisation which won't be suckered into diluting those values, who won't concede ground to misguided fanatics and who won't provide a platform for people who are a disgrace to any God and a bigger disgrace to decent mankind.

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It is precisely because Britain and the British people have these values that it respects each person as an individual and not tarnishes an entire population. These values should not be allowed to be eroded away, and thankfully, despite some erosion, they still form the basis of our country today (Think of the British reaction to injustices in the world for proof - e.g. Tsunami crisis, or Kosovo 1999, etc)

It seems our society is being allowed to be eroded away by extremists on all sides. Political correctness gone mad (left-wing extremists) alienates and differentiates those it aims to protect, whilst also fuelling the anger and resentment amongst the majority.

I found it unbelievable that the news last night suggested a radical government proposal may be to use the new incitement of racial hatred bill against extremist muslim fundamentalists. I would have thought that legislation should apply equally to all, protecting society, rather than protecting pockets of groups.

Britain has a long and proud history helping those less fortunate, inviting them in. It is for those immigrants to repay their debt to Britain by becoming valued members of the society. I should know, my great-grandfather escaped persecution, came to Britain, and worked his way up (not once taking any hand-out from the government). By all accounts, he was eternally grateful to this country and in particular, its people.

As far as I am concerned, anyone preaching hatred and incitement against this country is guilty of treason.

There is no justification for muslim fundamentalism, only a belief on the part of these terrorist groups to help play their part in setting-up a worldwide state of islam. These members of the muslim community who speak of the need to understand the anger over the deaths of muslims everyday around the world are morons. They should remember that most deaths are at the hands of other muslims (Look at the number of Iraqi muslims dying day-in day-out at the hands of "Iraqi insurgents").

As far as I can tell, if the Iraq war was an "own goal" for Western policy, the terrorists' actions in London should be just as much an own goal. It has been refreshing to speak to Muslims who are angered at the attack as much as I. They speak of absolutely no justification for these outrages. As such, many communities up and down the country are seeking to address the issues facing their community. At the same time, there has not been a huge backlash and we, as Britains, should be proud of this. It should simply come down to those who do not wish to be part of our society should understand that any attempt to incite or stir hatred will not be met with a soft touch (and state hand-outs) as it has done in the past. I hope that the government cracks down on those who wish to stoke hatred.

[Thracian]

Young men in Leeds have just said on channel 4`s news programme, that there will be more attacks by muslims in England.

They also feel agreived by the `intrusion` of their area by the police.

This is the first insight by the media into what the people of britian are really thinking, not what they want us to think, and amazingly on the same day when community leaders from accross britain converge in trafalgar square to tell us how we`ll all stick together and defeat this hatred upon us.

Sky news suggested that theres 2,000 muslims in britian who have trained with al quieda, and thats what we `know` off.

What is the muslim community really thinking? What do we all really believe? Do we really listen to what the media through `leaders` tell us?

138179[/snapback]

Standard practice on the march toward Islamic global domination which people like the BBC shamelessly aide and abet: take every situation and squeeze out more concessions.

Problem for us is that media organisations, especially those apologists at the BBC are suckers for allowing themselves to be leaned on by the manipulators and as an organisation is packed full of politicals who are happy to manipulate anyone daft enough to listen to their apparently reasoned (but always subtly slanted) misinformation.

The thing I'd ask of the forum is to notice things. Do you notice?. For instance it is years ago that I told my family they were being additionally brainwashed by television adverts which were broadcast louder than the surrounding programmes.

Years after the practice was started, and after years of being able to have its effect, there are moves to end it.

Believe me that is only one example of the way television is used to manipulate people.

If the British people know what is good for them they'd force the disbanding of the BBC tomorrow and replace it with an organisation which respects and values England, English culture and "Christian" values.

An organisation which won't be suckered into diluting those values, who won't concede ground to misguided fanatics and who won't provide a platform for people who are a disgrace to any God and a bigger disgrace to decent mankind.

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As a devout Atheist I for one would have a problem with promoting any form of religion.

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Should stress that I consider the Christian values as having a small "c" rather than a religious "c". I have already explained my own (probably flawed) concept of "God" as being entirely within oneself. Don't know quite if that makes me an aethiest.