Rincewind Posted 14 January 2013 Author Posted 14 January 2013 I could have said we are all equal but some are more equal than others. I was agreeing with you. Some are in it for themselves and want to take more than their fair share. Why do you want to disagree with yourself?
The People's Hero Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 I could have said we are all equal but some are more equal than others. I was agreeing with you. Some are in it for themselves and want to take more than their fair share. Why do you want to disagree with yourself? I don't want to disagree with myself. 'We are all in it together' suggests to me that we are all facing the same issues and have a similar goal which we are prepared to work towards. That is not the case, there are many many many scroungers and it disenchants the workforce (taxpayers). I'm not having a go at you and I confess I am tired, grumpy and a bit of a tosser, but if we really are all in it together, how do you feel about all us workers just quitting work and claiming benefits? See a problem? Yes, eventually no one will be paying in to the pot which we're all drawing money from. Oh dear. But we're all in it together right?
Guest Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 I don't want to disagree with myself. 'We are all in it together' suggests to me that we are all facing the same issues and have a similar goal which we are prepared to work towards. That is not the case, there are many many many scroungers and it disenchants the workforce (taxpayers). I'm not having a go at you and I confess I am tired, grumpy and a bit of a tosser, but if we really are all in it together, how do you feel about all us workers just quitting work and claiming benefits? See a problem? Yes, eventually no one will be paying in to the pot which we're all drawing money from. Oh dear. But we're all in it together right? Your mate finnegan is not going to be happy with this post.
The People's Hero Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 Your mate finnegan is not going to be happy with this post. He will understandably make the point that not all those on benefits are workshy scroungers, which I understand and is a perfectly valid (and correct) point. My issue is with those who can't be bothered to work, consider available jobs beneath them, don't want to give up their weekends to get a job (wtf??) etc but who will still moan 'there are no suitable jobs' - (ie I want to be paid £40k to do very very little, even though I have no skills or experience and I don't want to work weekends. In fact, I don't want to work at all. I want a job, but not one that involves work). Its time this country took a harder line on the lazy who contribute nothing.
Guest MattP Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 We're all in the shite together but some are under it and others are standing on their heads to keep them below them. Only in Britain could someone who is only taking and giving nothing moan at being 'all in it together'.
The People's Hero Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 Only in Britain could someone who is only taking and giving nothing moan at being 'all in it together'. I think its a gentle bit of encouragement for those who are contributing to earn a bit more money, man up and pay more tax in order that those 'taking' can take a bit more. Consider it a pat on the back and the closest you'll get to a thankyou!
Finnegan Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 Your mate finnegan is not going to be happy with this post. I'll forgive him because I know he'll serenade me with Iwan Is A Welshman when next we meet.
The People's Hero Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 Your mate finnegan is not going to be happy with this post. Finners and I are both old enough to realise we disagree on some subjects. I respect his viewpoint and also appreciate he has an inside view to an extent due to some of the work he's done in the past and I also realise he has a more in depth understanding of the issues. Most of what I put out there is bluster, half truths, babble and rubbish but it is genuinely based on what I feel and somehow that has to count for something. I'm not alone in my feeling either, not that it makes it right, but its certainly a divisive issue, if not one worth falling out over.
z-layrex Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 I agree. We're all in the shite together but some are under it and others are standing on their heads to keep them below them. I got up at 5am this morning to work a 14 hour shift. I'm pretty sure my relationship broke down partly because I'm always in this shitting hospital working. Meanwhile you're getting a free kitchen. I think the charity work you do is awesome but please don't say we're all in this together.
Rincewind Posted 14 January 2013 Author Posted 14 January 2013 I would get the kitchen done even if I was working. The Housing Association I rent my flat off is responsible for improvements as set down in my contract. I was thinking about low paid workers who make up the majority of the workers and workers like yourself that do great for very little. I cannot see many MP's willing to do what you do so they are not in it. I said we are in the Shite together but some are further in it than others. Who those others are is a matter of opinion.
BoneDog Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 I don't want to disagree with myself. 'We are all in it together' suggests to me that we are all facing the same issues and have a similar goal which we are prepared to work towards. That is not the case, there are many many many scroungers and it disenchants the workforce (taxpayers). I'm not having a go at you and I confess I am tired, grumpy and a bit of a tosser, but if we really are all in it together, how do you feel about all us workers just quitting work and claiming benefits? See a problem? Yes, eventually no one will be paying in to the pot which we're all drawing money from. Oh dear. But we're all in it together right? I'm pretty sure that if alot of you did that, then most people on benefits would be happy. Those jobs would get snapped up. All the decent ones that pay £14,000 or more a year certainly would.
BoneDog Posted 14 January 2013 Posted 14 January 2013 I think its a gentle bit of encouragement for those who are contributing to earn a bit more money, man up and pay more tax in order that those 'taking' can take a bit more. Consider it a pat on the back and the closest you'll get to a thankyou! Does 'those taking' mean the bailed out bankers and other massive companies who avoid tax? I'm pretty sure those guys are the real reason everyone is paying more tax and earning less. It's abviously a bit more complex than that, but it's not the benefits system that's caused the mess. Not at all. Are the poor suddenly supposed to feel grateful to all the middle class workers nowadays because of this 'all in it together' baloney?! All the middle class workers I know are not in this for others, but work for themselves and their families as most people do. And they are doing alright I can tell yers. And I'm not having a dig at any people who earn more than me. I'm doing fine and don't feel any jealousy - just incase anyone is wondering or assuming.
The People's Hero Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Does 'those taking' mean the bailed out bankers and other massive companies who avoid tax? I'm pretty sure those guys are the real reason everyone is paying more tax and earning less. It's abviously a bit more complex than that, but it's not the benefits system that's caused the mess. Not at all. Are the poor suddenly supposed to feel grateful to all the middle class workers nowadays because of this 'all in it together' baloney?! All the middle class workers I know are not in this for others, but work for themselves and their families as most people do. And they are doing alright I can tell yers. And I'm not having a dig at any people who earn more than me. I'm doing fine and don't feel any jealousy - just incase anyone is wondering or assuming. Different discussion entirely and something which has been discussed elsewhere. The last time I checked though, we need large corporations and a banking sector, they may largely be amoral, tax avoiding nasties, but they are a necessary evil if you like. They do at least play a vital role (wouldn't have bailed out the banks otherwise). Quite how you can compare them to workshy scroungers, I don't know. Nice try at obfuscation, but you might have to try to deal with the points made now, rather than change the subject. Not expecting a response.
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