Captain... Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 I read the first 3 posts on Page 1. Why else would the OPs post be dismissed so quickly? debating immigration and possibly giving the opinion that it can be/is a bad thing is not stirring up hatred. Its just someone with a different view to you! The op has a history of posting racist nonsense, much like the daily mail, and the article is clearly reactionary and over the top an extreme example of the worst case scenario, it depends if you want to base economic policy on the extremes of society or the majority?
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 The op has a history of posting racist nonsense, much like the daily mail, and the article is clearly reactionary and over the top an extreme example of the worst case scenario, it depends if you want to base economic policy on the extremes of society or the majority? I've not read the article as I frankly can't be arsed- Sure it may be the extreme of society in terms of (how much £ are being scrounged (as an example)) but does anyone actually know for certain that this occurance is an infrequent thing or not? I fear it'd be a bit politically incorrect/ logistically impossible for a survey to be carried out to find out the true extent of contribution or lack of it as a result of immigration. I just disagree when people dismiss this is a rare occurance when in effect, they have no more idea as to whether it is or not than the OP/Journalist. I've worked with five Eastern Europeans on a site before and they were bloody good tradesmen, Worked harder and longer than the English did. That doesn't mean though that there aren't another five somewhere dredging our financial resources and sending their cash back home or what have you.
Captain... Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 I've not read the article as I frankly can't be arsed- Sure it may be the extreme of society in terms of (how much £ are being scrounged (as an example)) but does anyone actually know for certain that this occurance is an infrequent thing or not? I fear it'd be a bit politically incorrect/ logistically impossible for a survey to be carried out to find out the true extent of contribution or lack of it as a result of immigration. I just disagree when people dismiss this is a rare occurance when in effect, they have no more idea as to whether it is or not than the OP/Journalist. I've worked with five Eastern Europeans on a site before and they were bloody good tradesmen, Worked harder and longer than the English did. That doesn't mean though that there aren't another five somewhere dredging our financial resources and sending their cash back home or what have you. Well the article is about Romany gypsies taking over a town and turning into a crime den, read the article, as I did, then see if not dismiss it as reactionary nonsense.
Rincewind Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 If they are on JSA or on minimum wage claiming benefits they will struggle to have enough to live on let alone send it 'home'
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 Well the article is about Romany gypsies taking over a town and turning into a crime den, read the article, as I did, then see if not dismiss it as reactionary nonsense. I'll read it later- about to nip out. Whatever I say now will be deemed racist though however nicely I try and put it. I don't know a decent pikey.
MooseBreath Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 If they are on JSA or on minimum wage claiming benefits they will struggle to have enough to live on let alone send it 'home' Not really, they can save quite a lot since they live in cheap accommodation and do without luxuries, unlike their British counterparts.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 But you do know an indecent pikey? As stereotypical as it sounds I know plenty who own knuckle dusters and baseball bats. I know scrap metal theives, I know plenty who don't pay road tax, I know even more who will tarmac my driveway. I know plenty who the teachers at school were terrified of controlling so they ran riot in the playground and classrooms and then got away with it. People dislike other people for a reason. You have the reasons when you have experiences. Some will no doubt say that I'm making the above up or exagerrating but I'm not.
Rincewind Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 I know an English who came into the shop where I volunteer where I volunteer, bought a telly then was not keen on filling the TV license form out as he did not have a license. In the end he put down a false name with just the name of the block of flats. I think he already had more than one TV.
Captain... Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 I'll read it later- about to nip out. Whatever I say now will be deemed racist though however nicely I try and put it. I don't know a decent pikey. It is not about whether pikeys are decent or not, it is the fact that they are using one example of one town which had a problem with gypsies to say that this is what will happen in the UK. We already have gypsies, we already have problems with gypsies, this may increase or not, but we are not all going to end up living in gypsy crime slums.
MooseBreath Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 It is not about whether pikeys are decent or not, it is the fact that they are using one example of one town which had a problem with gypsies to say that this is what will happen in the UK. We already have gypsies, we already have problems with gypsies, this may increase or not, but we are not all going to end up living in gypsy crime slums. Not all of us, no. Those on high incomes and those who get free homes will be fine. It's just the majority who aren't so lucky who will suffer.
ADK Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 When i studied economics i was taught that it was impossible for us to find the right balance in the EU as people are never happy to accept compromise. We would either continue to integrate until we were no longer a seperate country or we would leave the EU completely. Therefore it is inevitable that we will get a referendum and i don't think it will be a particularly popular result whatever happens.
The Doctor Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 They should have tried harder in school instead of slacking off. Woah, woah woah, let's just hold on a second, that's one of the stupidest things I've heard anyone on this board say. The minimum wage isn't enough to live on, and you're saying it's their own fault for not trying hard enough?
Captain... Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 Not all of us, no. Those on high incomes and those who get free homes will be fine. It's just the majority who aren't so lucky who will suffer. So you are saying that the majority of us will be caught up in a gypsy crime wave?
MooseBreath Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 So you are saying that the majority of us will be caught up in a gypsy crime wave? Don't know whether it will be a crime wave. Maybe these people are more than happy just raking in the hand outs. I guess we'll see a real increase in loitering and probably jaywalking. There will also be some new takeaways in town serving Bulga-burgers or whatever. Plus we'll probably see a new shelf set up in Tesco for all their weird crisps and shit.
MooseBreath Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 Woah, woah woah, let's just hold on a second, that's one of the stupidest things I've heard anyone on this board say. The minimum wage isn't enough to live on, and you're saying it's their own fault for not trying hard enough? Well it is likely their own fault if they have failed to gain any skills or knowledge sufficient to lift them above minimum wage.
Rincewind Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 What about students just leaving university who cannot find any job other than low paid jobs? Or those who have been made redundant from well paid jobs? Or those who prefer to work as care workers? Shall I go on?
Rincewind Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 Is it? Stats show that the majority of those on benefits are on Min wage.
Captain... Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 Don't know whether it will be a crime wave. Maybe these people are more than happy just raking in the hand outs. I guess we'll see a real increase in loitering and probably jaywalking. There will also be some new takeaways in town serving Bulga-burgers or whatever. Plus we'll probably see a new shelf set up in Tesco for all their weird crisps and shit. It's a shame you are so entrenched in your anti left bunker. If you read what I actually said you would probably realise that I agree with you in part. High benefits attracts undesirable immigrants from Europe, so we should lower benefits to be in line with Europe so we are not seen as attractive to scroungers, but to do that we need to lower the cost of living and thus the living wage, but all of that will mean we need to reduce things like minimum wage and wages across the board. If we are not prepared to address these issues then we might as well leave Europe as these half way measures don't help us or Europe. I know you will disagree because you are programmed to disagree with anyone you perceive to be a lefty, so I look forward to you arguing how we should stay in Europe yet continue to be divisive and undermine the whole process.
ADK Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 It's about £200 a week i think? That dosn't seem too bad.
MooseBreath Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 What about students just leaving university who cannot find any job other than low paid jobs? Or those who have been made redundant from well paid jobs? Or those who prefer to work as care workers? Shall I go on? 1) should have picked a better course 2) will likely get back in the game as long as they've kept their skill profile relevant 3) I was under the impression that care workers got more than min wage. If not, if they wanted more money they should have picked a career path which paid more. Go on, by all means.
The Doctor Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 1) should have picked a better course 2) will likely get back in the game as long as they've kept their skill profile relevant 3) I was under the impression that care workers got more than min wage. If not, if they wanted more money they should have picked a career path which paid more. Go on, by all means. 1) Not that simple - a lot of roles will require experience rather than just theoretical knowledge. 3) It's not so much about wanting more money, rather wanting to receive enough to actually afford to live. We shouldn't have to choose between following a career path we enjoy and being paid enough to live.
MooseBreath Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 1) Not that simple - a lot of roles will require experience rather than just theoretical knowledge. 3) It's not so much about wanting more money, rather wanting to receive enough to actually afford to live. We shouldn't have to choose between following a career path we enjoy and being paid enough to live. Min wage is enough to live. Net pay of about 850ish I think. Not enough to raise a large family in a detached suburban house in a nice area with good schools, but enough to live.
ADK Posted 11 March 2013 Posted 11 March 2013 People need to drop the notion that they are entitled to choose whatever career they want and get paid loads to do it.
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