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The Good News thread, local jobs, economy etc

By davieG, in General Chat

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Strokes

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just because you "can't see how" doesn't mean it can't happen.

I can't see how a lot of things happen , but they do ,

Spend a few nights sleeping out rough and see if it's something anyone would either choose or want to do.

How many chances must you have gone through in your life, for you to end up with litterally nobody that will lend you the sofa for a week? If anyone of my family, mates past or present ended up on the streets, I would hell them out. My guess is most are complete helmets and have wasted these chances, and most use the dogs for sympathy too.
Rincewind

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http://www.dosomething.org/actnow/tipsandtools/background-11-causes-teen-homelessness#

 

http://england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns/why_we_campaign/tackling_homelessness/What_causes_homelessness

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=top+10+reasons+for+being+homeless+in+UK&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=jBRhUvLRGaqV0AX7-4GIDw

 

I think that's enough to keep people busy. I could easily find at least 50 related links but can't be arsed if they are going to be ignored.

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Guest MattP

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How many chances must you have gone through in your life, for you to end up with litterally nobody that will lend you the sofa for a week? If anyone of my family, mates past or present ended up on the streets, I would hell them out. My guess is most are complete helmets and have wasted these chances, and most use the dogs for sympathy too.

 

Spot on.

 

A list of reasons why someone has been made homeless isn't an answer to the question of why someone hasn't gone to the relevant body and filled out the forms to get some temporary or emergency accomodation.

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Zingari

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How many chances must you have gone through in your life, for you to end up with litterally nobody that will lend you the sofa for a week? If anyone of my family, mates past or present ended up on the streets, I would hell them out. My guess is most are complete helmets and have wasted these chances, and most use the dogs for sympathy too.

We aren't talking about our lives though.

 

In the same way i wasn't born into a life of luxury and wealth , I wasn't born into a life of despair and poverty either  . It's just blind chance  as to  were we start out at and how we can cope with the slings and arrows .

Some people win the lottery and their lives alter dramatically, but more people fall on stony ground and become homeless and more dependent on help, it's mostly just good or bad luck.   

 

I think you'll find that your friends will suddenly be less available and helpful than you might think after a very short while. 

 

That's not to say many do need to shoulder the blame for some of their predicament , but i'd rather live in a society where no-one was homeless.  

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Strokes

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We aren't talking about our lives though.

In the same way i wasn't born into a life of luxury and wealth , I wasn't born into a life of despair and poverty either . It's just blind chance as to were we start out at and how we can cope with the slings and arrows .

Some people win the lottery and their lives alter dramatically, but more people fall on stony ground and become homeless and more dependent on help, it's mostly just good or bad luck.

I think you'll find that your friends will suddenly be less available and helpful than you might think after a very short while.

That's not to say many do need to shoulder the blame for some of their predicament , but i'd rather live in a society where no-one was homeless.

Sure I agree with your utopia sentiment. I would rather live in a society where people didn't steal off their family and friends to use crack or heroin. I don't have control over this, so I just walk on by.
Zingari

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Sure I agree with your utopia sentiment. I would rather live in a society where people didn't steal off their family and friends to use crack or heroin. I don't have control over this, so I just walk on by.

I don't think having a roof over one's head is a utopian dream .  Surely it is one of the cornerstones of the Human Rights act that seems to be used for all sorts of political reasons but actual human rights. 

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Guest MattP

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Or you could answer the questions being asked rather than providing links that have no relevance to them whatsoever.

 

Obviously I don't know the facts, haven't worked with action homeless, spoken on Rajy Rakoon Rajastahan 12 til 2 radio and it isn't black and white but a reply related to what I put would be nice.

 

 

A list of reasons why someone has been made homeless isn't an answer to the question of why someone hasn't gone to the relevant body and filled out the forms to get some temporary or emergency accomodation.

Rincewind

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Why does everyone assume that anyone fallen on hard times are alcoholics or drug addicts? That is a very small percentage of the reason. If you bother to look at the links they give the main reasons for becoming homeless. A trip to Engage St James Terrace off London Road and a chat with the residents and service providers would help as they are the ones who are experiencing these things. Don't believe all you read in the Sun or from a bloke down the pub.

Not everyone starts life in a loving household and loving parents in surbiton. Some children are abused at home moved from care home to care home bullied at school. All these things make it hard to have confidence and self reliance. It is easy for those that have never experienced these things to mock. It takes a lot to get out of the situation and they will not do it by being ignored and treated as discarded human beings.

Guest MattP

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For the third and final time.

A list of reasons why someone has been made homeless isn't an answer to the question of why someone hasn't gone to the relevant body and filled out the forms to get some temporary or emergency accomodation.

Rincewind

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I don't think having a roof over one's head is a utopian dream .  Surely it is one of the cornerstones of the Human Rights act that seems to be used for all sorts of political reasons but actual human rights. 

One of the sections of the HRA states that it is the right of every person to have somewhere to live.

Guest MattP

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Still not going to answer the point though that no one needs to be homeless?.

 

You only have to fill out a few forms and accomodation is provided for anyone, no one who is genuinely homeless is turned away by the authorities.

 

 

A list of reasons why someone has been made homeless isn't an answer to the question of why someone hasn't gone to the relevant body and filled out the forms to get some temporary or emergency accomodation.

 

 

A list of reasons why someone has been made homeless isn't an answer to the question of why someone hasn't gone to the relevant body and filled out the forms to get some temporary or emergency accomodation.

 

 

A list of reasons why someone has been made homeless isn't an answer to the question of why someone hasn't gone to the relevant body and filled out the forms to get some temporary or emergency accomodation.

 

?

Rincewind

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Think what you want. It is very hard to see the real world from an ivory tower.

We are just going round .in circles. We shall see what the winter brings forth as more working families begin to struggle

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Think what you want. It is very hard to see the real world from an ivory tower.

 

A list of reasons why someone has been made homeless isn't an answer to the question of why someone hasn't gone to the relevant body and filled out the forms to get some temporary or emergency accomodation.

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Guest MattP

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We shall see what the winter brings forth as more working families begin to struggle

 

 

Never seen a homeless family on the street.

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ADK

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I'm guessing most homeless people have some underlying mental health problem. I know I'd certainly be happy to be paying a small amount of tax money to have a public service helping these people off the street.

Rincewind

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I'm guessing most homeless people have some underlying mental health problem. I know I'd certainly be happy to be paying a small amount of tax money to have a public service helping these people off the street.

 

 

that is true from depression to more severe forms. A lot are unable to cope so get into financial difficulties and evicted.

hackneyfox

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Never seen a homeless family on the street.

No, they're being forced to move elsewhere.

There was a piece on London News last night about Tower Hamlets who may have to move 50 families out of the borough.

1 unemployed mother of 1 was asked to move to Birmingham.

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No, they're being forced to move elsewhere.

There was a piece on London News last night about Tower Hamlets who may have to move 50 families out of the borough.

1 unemployed mother of 1 was asked to move to Birmingham.

 

If my family moved from Tower Hamlets to the street I'd have a tear in my eye at how well they had done.

that is true from depression to more severe forms. A lot are unable to cope so get into financial difficulties and evicted.

 

What's the reason that they don't fill out a form and get some temporary acccomodation?

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ADK

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If my family moved from Tower Hamlets to the street I'd have a tear in my eye at how well they had done.

 

What's the reason that they don't fill out a form and get some temporary acccomodation?

 

Maybe you should try and find out instead of asking on an internet forum?

 

Or tell us what the reason is you think?

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Maybe you should try and find out instead of asking on an internet forum?

 

Or tell us what the reason is you think?

 

There isn't one, that's my I'm asking.

 

My cousin works with this sort of thing and he's confirmed to me no one should be homeless, all they have to do is go to the CAB or any relevant local body and it will be sorted and they will be found some temp accom before being re-housed providing they sign in and agree to the terms.

 

A lot of them want to be on the street for some warped reason. I've had a couple of mates in the past come out of prison with nothing and they got housedno problem.

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Rincewind

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How many people who are in a desperate situation would know where to go for help? The places and phone numbers are not widely broadcast. That is why there are organisations with people on hand to give advice. Who on here knows the places in Leicester where you can get something to eat if on the street?

ADK

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If there was "no reason" then there would be no homeless people so there must be a reason.

 

You mentioned "agree to the terms", I wonder what the terms are?

 

I highly doubt people choose to live on the streets willingly.

Guest MattP

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How many people who are in a desperate situation would know where to go for help? The places and phone numbers are not widely broadcast. That is why there are organisations with people on hand to give advice. Who on here knows the places in Leicester where you can get something to eat if on the street?

 

Well surely the job of lottery and tax payer funded groups like action homeless is to go and find the people then and tell them how to achieve this, have a wander through town, it won't be long before a see a homeless guy and then guide him and explain what he needs to do.

 

I don't know the full facts and I'm not the Prime Minister or homeless but that seems far more productive way of helping someone get off the street than reading out a poem at 2pm on Panj Pani Radio.

hackneyfox

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If my family moved from Tower Hamlets to the street I'd have a tear in my eye at how well they had done.

 

What's the reason that they don't fill out a form and get some temporary acccomodation?

Lazy assumption that all of Tower Hamlets is run down.

Do you think it's okay that families are being forced to move a hundred miles away from friends and family?

I should add that the woman in question mentioned that she had never set foot in Birmingham.

Guest MattP

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Lazy assumption that all of Tower Hamlets is run down.

Do you think it's okay that families are being forced to move a hundred miles away from friends and family?

I should add that the woman in question mentioned that she had never set foot in Birmingham.

 

Was there 6 weeks ago, it's an absolute dump.

 

Show me some evidence of the case, I obviously wouldn't want to reply not having had the full facts.

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