VLC86 Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Emulating Chris Wood. Explains his drop of form, must be knackered!
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Whilst being forced to drop deeper at times during matches of course happens as we are more often than not without the ball but not for 90 minutes. He will as another poster alluded to, done it to accommodate Vardy into the team as his pace is our main threat in the current side, one player has to be that link that is currently Ulloa. I very much doubt Pearson would have envisaged the goals to dry up like they have but him playing deeper on the whole has in my opinion has been a tactical decision. If dropping deep to accommodate Jamie Vardy is the reason Ulloas goals have dried up why have 3 of Ulloas goals come while Jamie Vardy has been on the pitch and only 2 without him playing? In every single lineup he is deployed as the furthest forward player, he should be holding balls up and winning headers for Vardy this does not automatically equate to dropping deep which he is doing for the reasons I've given in my belief, isolation from our deep lying midfield, pressure from opposing players and lack of positional awareness. Whether I am right or wrong excusing his performances on the assumption that Pearson is given him instructions is just once again scapegoating the manager without proper evidence.
4ever and ever Posted 2 December 2014 Author Posted 2 December 2014 If dropping deep to accommodate Jamie Vardy is the reason Ulloas goals have dried up why have 3 of Ulloas goals come while Jamie Vardy has been on the pitch and only 2 without him playing? In every single lineup he is deployed as the furthest forward player, he should be holding balls up and winning headers for Vardy this does not automatically equate to dropping deep which he is doing for the reasons I've given in my belief, isolation from our deep lying midfield, pressure from opposing players and lack of positional awareness. Whether I am right or wrong excusing his performances on the assumption that Pearson is given him instructions is just once again scapegoating the manager without proper evidence. Im not scapegoating the manager at all, I would have probably done exactly the same as I feel Vardy needs to be in the side. But just to take your point about goals when Vardy has been on the pitch. Only two have been when Vardy has been on the pitch and other 3 have been when he hasnt, both against Manchester United, 1 was a penalty won by Vardy, another was a header assisted by vardy when vardy was playing in a much wider position than I feel he is playing now.
Fox Ulike Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 If dropping deep to accommodate Jamie Vardy is the reason Ulloas goals have dried up why have 3 of Ulloas goals come while Jamie Vardy has been on the pitch and only 2 without him playing? In every single lineup he is deployed as the furthest forward player, he should be holding balls up and winning headers for Vardy this does not automatically equate to dropping deep which he is doing for the reasons I've given in my belief, isolation from our deep lying midfield, pressure from opposing players and lack of positional awareness. Whether I am right or wrong excusing his performances on the assumption that Pearson is given him instructions is just once again scapegoating the manager without proper evidence. I think it would be odd for Ulloa to choose to change his own game without Pearson’s approval. Either way it doesn’t make much difference. Ulloa and Vardy can’t both stand there like lemons waiting for the invisible man to link midfield with attack. Ulloa seems more capable of doing this than Vardy. Either way it’s a bizarre strategy when you consider we have 3 or 4 players (Nugent, King, Powell and possibly Drinkwater) who know how to play in that area. For me, it’s another example of Pearson asking a player to play in a way that doesn’t make best use of his talents.
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 I think it would be odd for Ulloa to choose to change his own game without Pearson’s approval. Either way it doesn’t make much difference. Ulloa and Vardy can’t both stand there like lemons waiting for the invisible man to link midfield with attack. Ulloa seems more capable of doing this than Vardy. Either way it’s a bizarre strategy when you consider we have 3 or 4 players (Nugent, King, Powell and possibly Drinkwater) who know how to play in that area. For me, it’s another example of Pearson asking a player to play in a way that doesn’t make best use of his talents. Again, this is not what I am saying. One more time, the three reasons he is coming out of position, 1) There is, at times, a massive gap between our midfield (as you've pointed out) and strikers due to the way we play, and he gets far too many long balls if he doesn't close it himself that's not going to change. 2) He's often tightly marked and he has being viewed as one of our major threats, if you ask me, therefore dropping deep is a way to get space. 3) a combination of 1 and 2 leads to him getting frustrated, losing discipline, and going looking for the ball. It is not a case of Leo Ulloa waking up on game day and thinking to himself "you know what, I'm going to drop deep today" it is a reactionary thing to what is going on around him. Im not scapegoating the manager at all, I would have probably done exactly the same as I feel Vardy needs to be in the side. But just to take your point about goals when Vardy has been on the pitch. Only two have been when Vardy has been on the pitch and other 3 have been when he hasnt, both against Manchester United, 1 was a penalty won by Vardy, another was a header assisted by vardy when vardy was playing in a much wider position than I feel he is playing now. No he was on the pitch against Stoke as well was he not. EDIT: No bought on 10 minutes later, fair enough.
4ever and ever Posted 2 December 2014 Author Posted 2 December 2014 Again, this is not what I am saying. One more time, the three reasons he is coming out of position, 1) There is, at times, a massive gap between our midfield (as you've pointed out) and strikers due to the way we play, and he gets far too many long balls if he doesn't close it himself that's not going to change. 2) He's often tightly marked and he has being viewed as one of our major threats, if you ask me, therefore dropping deep is a way to get space. 3) a combination of 1 and 2 leads to him getting frustrated, losing discipline, and going looking for the ball. It is not a case of Leo Ulloa waking up on game day and thinking to himself "you know what, I'm going to drop deep today" it is a reactionary thing to what is going on around him. No he was on the pitch against Stoke as well was he not. EDIT: No bought on 10 minutes later, fair enough. Your edit beat me to it
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Your edit beat me to it 2/5 is still approaching half. And Vardy didn't even start against Newcastle, we had the same problem. Actually we had the same problem against Stoke we were just lucky enough to score a break away goal with our only shot on target.
Fox Ulike Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Again, this is not what I am saying. One more time, the three reasons he is coming out of position, 1) There is, at times, a massive gap between our midfield (as you've pointed out) and strikers due to the way we play, and he gets far too many long balls if he doesn't close it himself that's not going to change. 2) He's often tightly marked and he has being viewed as one of our major threats, if you ask me, therefore dropping deep is a way to get space. 3) a combination of 1 and 2 leads to him getting frustrated, losing discipline, and going looking for the ball. It is not a case of Leo Ulloa waking up on game day and thinking to himself "you know what, I'm going to drop deep today" it is a reactionary thing to what is going on around him. No he was on the pitch against Stoke as well was he not. EDIT: No bought on 10 minutes later, fair enough. In which case, we agree!
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 With the clear message from Pearson that graft comes first he can't afford to hang around the box waiting for things. This means he is helping out deeper and not then available should a chance be created on the break. So pearsons work ethic mantra seems to be having a negative effect in some areas.add to that Pearson said before the season he wanted somebody in the box for when crosses come in - a goal scorer - he needs to get in the box? End of
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 In which case, we agree! Well sort of, I'd say 3 is purely his fault and no one else's and something he shouldn't be doing.
Callabinho Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 He's doing what Berbatov did in his first few months at United, tried too had to come back and retrieve the ball, we have to play around his strength and not force him to come searching for some action, it's a simple as crossing the ball into the area for him.
MHC Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 If he is played as an out and out striker and is fed crosses he will score goals, no doubt about it.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 He is the best finisher at the club, but he seems to be the one creating chances, going deep... not what we want him to be doing regularly.
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